Update: Motiejunas now a UFA as Rockets have released his rights

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Re: Stein: Nets prepping an offer sheet for Motiejunas 

Post#61 » by Rapcity_11 » Sat Dec 3, 2016 1:14 am

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I would imagine it's done in conjunction with the head coach.
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Re: Update (Spears) Nets offer Motiejunas 4/$37M 

Post#62 » by Zaschrona » Sat Dec 3, 2016 1:22 am

I think Houston matches. They have all major players signed through the next season and not really amazing amount of cap space too. That contract will become an asset in a year too.
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Re: Update (Spears) Nets offer Motiejunas 4/$37M 

Post#63 » by K_chile22 » Sat Dec 3, 2016 1:24 am

Ror1997 wrote:I don't know which way this is going to go but I could see Houston matching.

If they don't that's a fantastic deal for Brooklyn
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Re: Update (Spears) Nets offer Motiejunas 4/$37M 

Post#64 » by RightToCensor » Sat Dec 3, 2016 1:35 am

Yeah, I'd match that. Those last two unguaranteed years can be valuable if he flops due to injury or we need to free cap space. It's worth taking the risk because I don't see a good free agent this upcoming offseason we can realistically sign.
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Re: Update (Spears) Nets offer Motiejunas 4/$37M 

Post#65 » by K_chile22 » Sat Dec 3, 2016 1:48 am

Dmo is apparently in Houston right now, no idea if it means anything one way or another, probably going to talk to Morey and MDA before the Rockets make a decision
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Per Woj: Montiejuanas offer sheet 

Post#66 » by jbk1234 » Sat Dec 3, 2016 2:16 am

Four years, $37 million, first two years guaranteed. Good deal, bad deal, do the Rockets match?
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Re: Official: Nets sign Motiejunas 4/$37M (last 2 years ungtd), Hou has 3 days to match 

Post#67 » by jpengland » Sat Dec 3, 2016 2:34 am

Rockets simply have to match that.
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Re: Official: Nets sign Motiejunas 4/$37M (last 2 years ungtd), Hou has 3 days to match 

Post#68 » by DusterBuster » Sat Dec 3, 2016 2:38 am

I have to imagine Rockets match this pretty easily. 9mil per with only 1st 2 years guaranteed. That's pretty reasonable.

Only way they don't match is if their doctors think his health is shot.
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Re: Official: Nets sign Motiejunas 4/$37M (last 2 years ungtd), Hou has 3 days to match 

Post#69 » by K_chile22 » Sat Dec 3, 2016 2:41 am

DusterBuster wrote:I have to imagine Rockets match this pretty easily. 9mil per with only 1st 2 years guaranteed. That's pretty reasonable.

Only way they don't match is if their doctors think his health is shot.

Well they also can't trade him for a calendar year without his permission, could get in the way of a big free agent, should they decide to come to Houston. I think they should match as well, just presenting the other side
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Re: Official: Nets sign Motiejunas 4/$37M (last 2 years ungtd), Hou has 3 days to match 

Post#70 » by jbk1234 » Sat Dec 3, 2016 2:45 am

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DusterBuster wrote:I have to imagine Rockets match this pretty easily. 9mil per with only 1st 2 years guaranteed. That's pretty reasonable.

Only way they don't match is if their doctors think his health is shot.

Well they also can't trade him for a calendar year without his permission, could get in the way of a big free agent, should they decide to come to Houston. I think they should match as well, just presenting the other side


Assuming they didn't offer this much already, there's also the issue of whether there's some ill will between the parties.
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Re: Update (Spears) Nets offer Motiejunas 4/$37M 

Post#71 » by the_process » Sat Dec 3, 2016 3:02 am

If the last two years are unguaranteed, there's no way Morey doesn't match.
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Re: Official: Nets sign Motiejunas 4/$37M (last 2 years ungtd), Hou has 3 days to match 

Post#72 » by DusterBuster » Sat Dec 3, 2016 3:08 am

K_chile22 wrote:
DusterBuster wrote:I have to imagine Rockets match this pretty easily. 9mil per with only 1st 2 years guaranteed. That's pretty reasonable.

Only way they don't match is if their doctors think his health is shot.

Well they also can't trade him for a calendar year without his permission, could get in the way of a big free agent, should they decide to come to Houston. I think they should match as well, just presenting the other side


I don't see that being an issue.
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Re: Official: Nets sign Motiejunas 4/$37M (last 2 years ungtd), Hou has 3 days to match 

Post#73 » by DusterBuster » Sat Dec 3, 2016 3:09 am

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K_chile22 wrote:
DusterBuster wrote:I have to imagine Rockets match this pretty easily. 9mil per with only 1st 2 years guaranteed. That's pretty reasonable.

Only way they don't match is if their doctors think his health is shot.

Well they also can't trade him for a calendar year without his permission, could get in the way of a big free agent, should they decide to come to Houston. I think they should match as well, just presenting the other side


Assuming they didn't offer this much already, there's also the issue of whether there's some ill will between the parties.


This never ends up being much of a deterrent for a team to match. Even in nasty negotiations, if a team brings the player back, he has to play for whoever's paying whether he's happy or not.
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Re: RE: Re: Official: Nets sign Motiejunas 4/$37M (last 2 years ungtd), Hou has 3 days to match 

Post#74 » by K_chile22 » Sat Dec 3, 2016 3:35 am

jbk1234 wrote:
K_chile22 wrote:
DusterBuster wrote:I have to imagine Rockets match this pretty easily. 9mil per with only 1st 2 years guaranteed. That's pretty reasonable.

Only way they don't match is if their doctors think his health is shot.

Well they also can't trade him for a calendar year without his permission, could get in the way of a big free agent, should they decide to come to Houston. I think they should match as well, just presenting the other side


Assuming they didn't offer this much already, there's also the issue of whether there's some ill will between the parties.

They offered the same per year but only 2 years and the second wasn't guaranteed. Not too worried about that

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Re: Stein: Nets prepping an offer sheet for Motiejunas 

Post#75 » by shangrila » Sat Dec 3, 2016 7:45 am

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babyjax13 wrote:I think this is a good move for Brooklyn. I love Trevor Booker, but DMO is just better, and this gives them a lot more flexibility in their frontcourt to try different looks. How they defend will be interesting, though.

Dmo isn't as athletic but he is definitely a plus defender at 4, he positions himself well, draws lots of charges, and uses length to contest shots when he isn't quick enough to stay close to smaller players. At center his rebounding and rim protection are not good though


My question is how their rebounding looks with Brook and DMo, primarily.

Terrible, most likely.
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Re: Official: Nets sign Motiejunas 4/$37M (last 2 years ungtd), Hou has 3 days to match 

Post#76 » by Prokorov » Sat Dec 3, 2016 3:01 pm

Love this offer. I was concerned Marks would give him 3 or 4 years gauranteed at 12 million per.

I've been saying on the Nets board that the smart move is to forget the rockets and make the offer that makes most sense for the Nets. if the rockets match then they match, but dont go crazy on gauranteed years or salary with that fear. and it looks like Marks did just that. Hopefully we land him but if not, im ok with that too
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Re: Official: Nets sign Motiejunas 4/$37M (last 2 years ungtd), Hou has 3 days to match 

Post#77 » by HartfordWhalers » Sun Dec 4, 2016 6:26 pm

I know Houston still has time to match, but why wouldn;t they have matched already if they were going to match?

They aren't punishing the Nets and keeping the Nets from signing other free agents, which is the usual practice during summer. If Houston wanted Motie back, they should get him back a day early and have matched already.

The only reason to delay I guess is finding a trade instead of cutting someone?
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Post#78 » by K_chile22 » Sun Dec 4, 2016 6:30 pm

HartfordWhalers wrote:I know Houston still has time to match, but why wouldn;t they have matched already if they were going to match?

They aren't punishing the Nets and keeping the Nets from signing other free agents, which is the usual practice during summer. If Houston wanted Motie back, they should get him back a day early and have matched already.

The only reason to delay I guess is finding a trade instead of cutting someone?

I think Daryl is just thinking through all the numbers and making sure he knows what he's getting himself into for the next few years. He wants to be sure he's making a calculation decision, not leaving anything out, he's going to take all 3 days, it's just how he operates
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Re: Official: Nets sign Motiejunas 4/$37M (last 2 years ungtd), Hou has 3 days to match 

Post#79 » by chrbal » Sun Dec 4, 2016 7:14 pm

HartfordWhalers wrote:I know Houston still has time to match, but why wouldn;t they have matched already if they were going to match?


Go through every possible detail. The only reason you would do it right away if there was no issue whatsoever. Instead its about 20 games into a season where a RFA is finally getting an offer, one who had a trade vetoed last year because of his health.
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Re: Official: Nets sign Motiejunas 4/$37M (last 2 years ungtd), Hou has 3 days to match 

Post#80 » by HartfordWhalers » Sun Dec 4, 2016 7:24 pm

chrbal wrote:
HartfordWhalers wrote:I know Houston still has time to match, but why wouldn;t they have matched already if they were going to match?


Go through every possible detail. The only reason you would do it right away if there was no issue whatsoever. Instead its about 20 games into a season where a RFA is finally getting an offer, one who had a trade vetoed last year because of his health.


They aren't getting new info about his health in the past 24 hours imo. They should have already had an idea of what they would and would not match as well. All the Motie info they have when they decide to match or not at the deadline is there now.

So, I come back to if they care about his production for this year, get him into camp 2 days earlier and 2 days closer to actually contributing, which is more valuable than extra 2 days to delay making a decision after more than enough time to process the situation. The only reason I really get is to take the time is figuring out a move with someone else.

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