Knicks not ruling out DRose extension later in the season

[NYKMentality85]

I could see rose be a Fitzpatrick like situation. After we strike out on CP3/Jrue, we dance around for a couple of months trying to find a good deal. Rose wants long term. While nobody else touches him for more than one yr. eventually we agree to a 1+1 type deal, or a 2 yr deal

I wouldn't go that far. Did Fitz win a MVP I'm unaware of? Really though people make it seem like Rose is trash. He's been good so far. He's shown flashes and most importantly he's healthy. If we're not getting CP3 or Steph then sign Rose. Honestly I'd take Rose over Wall right now


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Exactly. I'm an N.Y Jets fan and you can not compare Fitzpatrick's situation to a potential Rose offseason. No team in the league wanted anything to do with Fitzpatrick. He was an unsigned Free Agent for months. As long as Rose remains healthy throughout 2016-2017 there's zero possibility he'd last over 24 hours on the Free Agent market.

Some of these Rose critics couldn't be objective with the evaluation of Derrick's production even if their lives depended on it.

Rose could have his highest FG% (.445%) since dating back to his All-Star season of 2010-2011 (.445%) and critics would completely ignore that fact.

Rose could be averaging 19.2 points, 4.7 assists and 4.1 rebounds per game while shooting 64/142 from the field (.450%) throughout his previous 9 games but yet Rose critics would simply point to his seasonal "TS%" while ignoring his recent impact (they'd celebrate those numbers if it were of Jeremy Lin).

Rose could hit game winners while stepping up clutch during pressure filled 4th quarters and these same critics of Rose would have nothing to say.

Rose could have his highest Player Efficiency Rating dating back to his last All-Star appearance of 2011-2012 and critics of Rose would rather turn the other cheek rather than acknowledging his early season improvements.

Those same Rose critics who considered him done & washed up heading into the season could watch his explosion and regained athleticism (first hand) and still refuse to mention anything regarding his athletic ability.

Rose could be averaging the least amount of turnovers per game since dating back to his rookie season along with his highest FG% since his All-Star years but yet these critics would still bring up and scream "inefficient play".

It's laughable but also speaks volumes about the ways some choose to talk about the game of basketball. It's nothing more than agenda driven criticism.

[bringinhinkie]

I can't believe there are knicks fans that actually think rose is playing well.

if he was lost for nothing tomorrow, the team would win more games .. barely beat one of the worst teams in the league 2 straight .. should have been 20 point blowouts (and would have been with an avg pg that could actually run an offense)

You will all be crying for his dismissal once the knicks play a few decent teams and get smacked

He hurts the team.. should have listened to bulls fans

Stop reading box scores and actually watch a game or two.. there is no way a sane individual could watch this guy consistently and claim he is a positive .. pg head down out of control killing the offense

Wake up

[mrKnickShot]

Win Shares are not perfect and of course there are out liars but if you put any good player in there and check their WS, its almost always good. Hard to find a player (and I challenge anyone to do so) that is considered good with a WS of .050 which is 50% below an average.
On the positive side, Rose's WS has been gradually climbing and trending up and if that continues and Rose to continue to have more efficient games like some of the last few games, then he will/could have a big impact.
Nobody is expecting mvp Rose but MVP Rose had a WS of .211 and not he is at 25% of that. Last year he was at .009, did anyone think that Rose was good last year? Only die hards could think that.
He is trending in the right direction and that is a good sign. He is also being coached up by JH on the passes that he misses and that is crucial for his and our success. He has to feel the floor better and know when he has open teammates. Jennings is not a better player than him but he certainly has much better court sense and is a much better and willing passer. I have seen improvement here and I hope that it continues to improve.
I want to see more of that Mark Jackson tear drop! I think that can be a super effective shot for him.

[goldenbrandon]

People would praise Jeremy Lin for putting up Rose numbers. But Rose can't put up Rose numbers. Rose just outplayed Lilliard and Westbrook. We have something


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[whocares1]

I could see rose be a Fitzpatrick like situation. After we strike out on CP3/Jrue, we dance around for a couple of months trying to find a good deal. Rose wants long term. While nobody else touches him for more than one yr. eventually we agree to a 1+1 type deal, or a 2 yr deal

I wouldn't go that far. Did Fitz win a MVP I'm unaware of? Really though people make it seem like Rose is trash. He's been good so far. He's shown flashes and most importantly he's healthy. If we're not getting CP3 or Steph then sign Rose. Honestly I'd take Rose over Wall right now


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Exactly. I'm an N.Y Jets fan and you can not compare Fitzpatrick's situation to a potential Rose offseason. No team in the league wanted anything to do with Fitzpatrick. He was an unsigned Free Agent for months. As long as Rose remains healthy throughout 2016-2017 there's zero possibility he'd last over 24 hours on the Free Agent market.

Some of these Rose critics couldn't be objective with the evaluation of Derrick's production even if their lives depended on it.

Rose could have his highest FG% (.445%) since dating back to his All-Star season of 2010-2011 (.445%) and critics would completely ignore that fact.

Rose could be averaging 19.2 points, 4.7 assists and 4.1 rebounds per game while shooting 64/142 from the field (.450%) throughout his previous 9 games but yet Rose critics would simply point to his seasonal "TS%" while ignoring his recent impact (they'd celebrate those numbers if it were of Jeremy Lin).

Rose could hit game winners while stepping up clutch during pressure filled 4th quarters and these same critics of Rose would have nothing to say.

Rose could have his highest Player Efficiency Rating dating back to his last All-Star appearance of 2011-2012 and critics of Rose would rather turn the other cheek rather than acknowledging his early season improvements.

Those same Rose critics who considered him done & washed up heading into the season could watch his explosion and regained athleticism (first hand) and still refuse to mention anything regarding his athletic ability.

Rose could be averaging the least amount of turnovers per game since dating back to his rookie season along with his highest FG% since his All-Star years but yet these critics would still bring up and scream "inefficient play".

It's laughable but also speaks volumes about the ways some choose to talk about the game of basketball. It's nothing more than agenda driven criticism.

I mean the concern is obviously his long term health, and he hasn't proven yet that he can stay healthy for an extended period of time. It's better to truly assess Rose towards the end of the season. I think what people don't like about Rose is that he isn't really a good facilitator, so having him being a high usage point guard without exhibiting the ability to create as much for others as other marquee high usage guards do, makes people not really like him. He has no doubt been clutch but he suffers from tunnel vision more than any point guard I've seen before recently.

[WesleyExChiFan]

Spoiler:

Win Shares are not perfect and of course there are out liars but if you put any good player in there and check their WS, its almost always good. Hard to find a player (and I challenge anyone to do so) that is considered good with a WS of .050 which is 50% below an average.
On the positive side, Rose's WS has been gradually climbing and trending up and if that continues and Rose to continue to have more efficient games like some of the last few games, then he will/could have a big impact.
Nobody is expecting mvp Rose but MVP Rose had a WS of .211 and not he is at 25% of that. Last year he was at .009, did anyone think that Rose was good last year? Only die hards could think that.
He is trending in the right direction and that is a good sign. He is also being coached up by JH on the passes that he misses and that is crucial for his and our success. He has to feel the floor better and know when he has open teammates. Jennings is not a better player than him but he certainly has much better court sense and is a much better and willing passer. I have seen improvement here and I hope that it continues to improve.

I want to see more of that Mark Jackson tear drop! I think that can be a super effective shot for him.

It's his signature shot. Once that comes back for him consistently then he'll be able to have his way with the defense from the free throw line and below

Watch on YouTube

[Amsterdam]

I could see rose be a Fitzpatrick like situation. After we strike out on CP3/Jrue, we dance around for a couple of months trying to find a good deal. Rose wants long term. While nobody else touches him for more than one yr. eventually we agree to a 1+1 type deal, or a 2 yr deal

I wouldn't go that far. Did Fitz win a MVP I'm unaware of? Really though people make it seem like Rose is trash. He's been good so far. He's shown flashes and most importantly he's healthy. If we're not getting CP3 or Steph then sign Rose. Honestly I'd take Rose over Wall right now


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Exactly. I'm an N.Y Jets fan and you can not compare Fitzpatrick's situation to a potential Rose offseason. No team in the league wanted anything to do with Fitzpatrick. He was an unsigned Free Agent for months. As long as Rose remains healthy throughout 2016-2017 there's zero possibility he'd last over 24 hours on the Free Agent market.

Some of these Rose critics couldn't be objective with the evaluation of Derrick's production even if their lives depended on it.

Rose could have his highest FG% (.445%) since dating back to his All-Star season of 2010-2011 (.445%) and critics would completely ignore that fact.

Rose could be averaging 19.2 points, 4.7 assists and 4.1 rebounds per game while shooting 64/142 from the field (.450%) throughout his previous 9 games but yet Rose critics would simply point to his seasonal "TS%" while ignoring his recent impact (they'd celebrate those numbers if it were of Jeremy Lin).

Rose could hit game winners while stepping up clutch during pressure filled 4th quarters and these same critics of Rose would have nothing to say.

Rose could have his highest Player Efficiency Rating dating back to his last All-Star appearance of 2011-2012 and critics of Rose would rather turn the other cheek rather than acknowledging his early season improvements.

Those same Rose critics who considered him done & washed up heading into the season could watch his explosion and regained athleticism (first hand) and still refuse to mention anything regarding his athletic ability.

Rose could be averaging the least amount of turnovers per game since dating back to his rookie season along with his highest FG% since his All-Star years but yet these critics would still bring up and scream "inefficient play".

It's laughable but also speaks volumes about the ways some choose to talk about the game of basketball. It's nothing more than agenda driven criticism.

One of the best recent write-ups seen on the Net regarding news-worthy NBA basketball.

Hopefully, some of the basketball "experts" including those on the NBA channel, such as Vince Cellini, Brent Barry, Rick fox, Grant Hill, Ernie Johnson, Tas Melas, etc., will covertly read this and then publically point to Rose's game in New York.

Certainly Jeff Van Gundy will acknowledge Rose's made-for-Broadway comeback story. Cause this post shows that you're one of the few posters on this board with this type of acute recognition.

[Grinditout]

It depends on the years. I actually think he's been a + impact player for the team. But much of what he brings is based of athleticism that is soon to decline leaving him with an inconsistent jumpshot and mediocre playmaking. And let's not forget about an potential injury concerns that will always linger for the rest of his career

[Amsterdam]

I can't believe there are knicks fans that actually think rose is playing well.

if he was lost for nothing tomorrow, the team would win more games .. barely beat one of the worst teams in the league 2 straight .. should have been 20 point blowouts (and would have been with an avg pg that could actually run an offense)

You will all be crying for his dismissal once the knicks play a few decent teams and get smacked

He hurts the team.. should have listened to bulls fans

Stop reading box scores and actually watch a game or two.. there is no way a sane individual could watch this guy consistently and claim he is a positive .. pg head down out of control killing the offense

Wake up

[NYKnickerbocker]

that melo ball hog clip needs to be changed to rose lol. his ball hogging just looks cooler cause he's trying to cross his man up and get to the rim

guys literally be waving there are jumping when theyre open and rose just tucks his head down and attacks. i like rose and hope he has a great season, but he needs to realize that almost every time him and KP do a PnR kp is open and his now **** floater is not the best option lol. they literally leave KP thinking this blind bastard can't see him

his defense has been solid tho, and he steps it up when the games are close in the end

[GONYK]

People would praise Jeremy Lin for putting up Rose numbers. But Rose can't put up Rose numbers. Rose just outplayed Lilliard and Westbrook. We have something


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Umm...what?

Rose came nowhere close to outplaying Westbrook.

[GONYK]

I wouldn't go that far. Did Fitz win a MVP I'm unaware of? Really though people make it seem like Rose is trash. He's been good so far. He's shown flashes and most importantly he's healthy. If we're not getting CP3 or Steph then sign Rose. Honestly I'd take Rose over Wall right now


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Exactly. I'm an N.Y Jets fan and you can not compare Fitzpatrick's situation to a potential Rose offseason. No team in the league wanted anything to do with Fitzpatrick. He was an unsigned Free Agent for months. As long as Rose remains healthy throughout 2016-2017 there's zero possibility he'd last over 24 hours on the Free Agent market.

Some of these Rose critics couldn't be objective with the evaluation of Derrick's production even if their lives depended on it.

Rose could have his highest FG% (.445%) since dating back to his All-Star season of 2010-2011 (.445%) and critics would completely ignore that fact.

Rose could be averaging 19.2 points, 4.7 assists and 4.1 rebounds per game while shooting 64/142 from the field (.450%) throughout his previous 9 games but yet Rose critics would simply point to his seasonal "TS%" while ignoring his recent impact (they'd celebrate those numbers if it were of Jeremy Lin).

Rose could hit game winners while stepping up clutch during pressure filled 4th quarters and these same critics of Rose would have nothing to say.

Rose could have his highest Player Efficiency Rating dating back to his last All-Star appearance of 2011-2012 and critics of Rose would rather turn the other cheek rather than acknowledging his early season improvements.

Those same Rose critics who considered him done & washed up heading into the season could watch his explosion and regained athleticism (first hand) and still refuse to mention anything regarding his athletic ability.

Rose could be averaging the least amount of turnovers per game since dating back to his rookie season along with his highest FG% since his All-Star years but yet these critics would still bring up and scream "inefficient play".

It's laughable but also speaks volumes about the ways some choose to talk about the game of basketball. It's nothing more than agenda driven criticism.

I mean the concern is obviously his long term health, and he hasn't proven yet that he can stay healthy for an extended period of time. It's better to truly assess Rose towards the end of the season. I think what people don't like about Rose is that he isn't really a good facilitator, so having him being a high usage point guard without exhibiting the ability to create as much for others as other marquee high usage guards do, makes people not really like him. He has no doubt been clutch but he suffers from tunnel vision more than any point guard I've seen before recently.

It's pretty simple. Rose has been a good attacker, and has certainly been clutch.

He's also been a waaaaay less than ideal PG and floor general, and for all his stats, we're still in search of someone to run our offense.

[knickstape21]

I like what I've seen from Rose this season so far. No player is truly perfect. He adds a dynamic to our team that we haven't had in a while and helping us win tight/tough games.

I also understand why some of you may not like his game, but calling him selfish is a little ridiculous. The man just wants to win for the team we all root for.

[Jalen Bluntson]

Rose is the best PG we have had since most of us are either too young to remember or were not even alive yet. People trashing him like we can just run out and replace him next year. With who?

[Capn'O]

Win Shares are not perfect and of course there are out liars but if you put any good player in there and check their WS, its almost always good. Hard to find a player (and I challenge anyone to do so) that is considered good with a WS of .050 which is 50% below an average.
On the positive side, Rose's WS has been gradually climbing and trending up and if that continues and Rose to continue to have more efficient games like some of the last few games, then he will/could have a big impact.
Nobody is expecting mvp Rose but MVP Rose had a WS of .211 and not he is at 25% of that. Last year he was at .009, did anyone think that Rose was good last year? Only die hards could think that.
He is trending in the right direction and that is a good sign. He is also being coached up by JH on the passes that he misses and that is crucial for his and our success. He has to feel the floor better and know when he has open teammates. Jennings is not a better player than him but he certainly has much better court sense and is a much better and willing passer. I have seen improvement here and I hope that it continues to improve.
I want to see more of that Mark Jackson tear drop! I think that can be a super effective shot for him.

You're right about this. Wasn't it in the negatives at the beginning of the year. Some games he helps now whereas early on he was only a liability. That's something. I'll keep an open mind with him.

[HarthorneWingo]

It depends on the years. I actually think he's been a + impact player for the team. But much of what he brings is based of athleticism that is soon to decline leaving him with an inconsistent jumpshot and mediocre playmaking. And let's not forget about an potential injury concerns that will always linger for the rest of his career

I read something about a "veteran's extension" of 3 years for $75 million. I don't think that's that bad. I'd like to bring Jennings back too. Then maybe we develop Chasson Randle or draft a PG in this coming year's draft?

[EpikNYK]

Why so much Rose hate?.. He's been extremely clutch for us and he's been better than what we had at the PG for so many years. I swear some people just hate on the name.

[HarthorneWingo]

Win Shares are not perfect and of course there are out liars but if you put any good player in there and check their WS, its almost always good. Hard to find a player (and I challenge anyone to do so) that is considered good with a WS of .050 which is 50% below an average.
On the positive side, Rose's WS has been gradually climbing and trending up and if that continues and Rose to continue to have more efficient games like some of the last few games, then he will/could have a big impact.
Nobody is expecting mvp Rose but MVP Rose had a WS of .211 and not he is at 25% of that. Last year he was at .009, did anyone think that Rose was good last year? Only die hards could think that.
He is trending in the right direction and that is a good sign. He is also being coached up by JH on the passes that he misses and that is crucial for his and our success. He has to feel the floor better and know when he has open teammates. Jennings is not a better player than him but he certainly has much better court sense and is a much better and willing passer. I have seen improvement here and I hope that it continues to improve.
I want to see more of that Mark Jackson tear drop! I think that can be a super effective shot for him.

You're right about this. Wasn't it in the negatives at the beginning of the year. Some games he helps now whereas early on he was only a liability. That's something. I'll keep an open mind with him.

He missed most of training camp with that silly trial. I think especially for a new PG it takes some time to develop that ESP with your teammates. Rose is not without his faults, I realize that. But our PG play is SO much better this year and it's still early. I expect that Rose and Jennings will continue to improve their play as the season progresses.

One thing Rose has to stop doing is leaving his feet when he drives into the lane and then has to decide whether to shoot or pass. It's just a bad habit for a PG to have. I know it drives Clyde crazy. lol

[whocares1]

I like what I've seen from Rose this season so far. No player is truly perfect. He adds a dynamic to our team that we haven't had in a while and helping us win tight/tough games.

I also understand why some of you may not like his game, but calling him selfish is a little ridiculous. The man just wants to win for the team we all root for.

It's not really about being selfish, but he misses a lot of people when he drives to the hoop. He never really plays a high screen and pop, he usually uses the high screen and attacks immediately. If he can't find an angle he'll scramble it out back to the perimeter not realizing that the screen man(usually KP) is open a good percentage of the time.

If he consistently fed KP in those situations it would help everyone involved because 1. A 40% three point shooter would be getting consistent open looks and 2. The defense would have to adjust leaving Rose to deal with one defender instead of two. It would actually benefit Rose and the team if he deferred more, but I don't think it's intentional. I think Rose just has tunnel vision.

[Jalen Bluntson]

I like what I've seen from Rose this season so far. No player is truly perfect. He adds a dynamic to our team that we haven't had in a while and helping us win tight/tough games.

I also understand why some of you may not like his game, but calling him selfish is a little ridiculous. The man just wants to win for the team we all root for.

It's not really about being selfish, but he misses a lot of people when he drives to the hoop. He never really plays a high screen and pop, he usually uses the high screen and attacks immediately. If he can't find an angle he'll scramble it out back to the perimeter not realizing that the screen man(usually KP) is open a good percentage of the time.

If he consistently fed KP in those situations it would help everyone involved because 1. A 40% three point shooter would be getting consistent open looks and 2. The defense would have to adjust leaving Rose to deal with one defender instead of two. It would actually benefit Rose and the team if he deferred more, but I don't think it's intentional. I think Rose just has tunnel vision.

He is not very bright. Definite low watt bulbs in the idea bubbles above his head. If he can be coached he may work out. He recognizes he needs to pass more when he speaks...it doesn't translate that well to the court.