Where is Jahlil Okafor?

[phifans]

Your mistake right now is simply assuming that people are just "hating" for the sake of hating. No, they're hating because they want to root for promising players and Okafor is running out of time to show that he can become a promising above-average player in the NBA. Look how quickly everyone was willing to fall in love with Embiid. They're not 'haters', they're just desperate to find people to root for after four seasons of being awful.

Saying "he's only 20 years old" ultimately is meaningless because every bad player was also 20 years old at some point.

Why would you bring up Harden and Curry here they are some of the best players in this league and Okafor is one of the worst players in this league. Whats the point of trashing a garbage after every game if you dont hate him as a person ? Just judge him with a standard of trash. Would you care about how the 500th best player in this league play every night ?

[TeamHigh]

Your mistake right now is simply assuming that people are just "hating" for the sake of hating. No, they're hating because they want to root for promising players and Okafor is running out of time to show that he can become a promising above-average player in the NBA. Look how quickly everyone was willing to fall in love with Embiid. They're not 'haters', they're just desperate to find people to root for after four seasons of being awful.

Saying "he's only 20 years old" ultimately is meaningless because every bad player was also 20 years old at some point.

Why would you bring up Harden and Curry here they are some of the best players in this league and Okafor is one of the worst players in this league. Whats the point of trashing a garbage after every game if you dont hate him as a person ? Just judge him with a standard of trash. Would you care about how the 500th best player in this league play every night ?

Because the 500th best player in the league shouldn't be displacing a player of Noel's ability or even necessarily getting all the minutes over Richaun Holmes.

Also, the post I quoted compared Okafor's defense to KP and KAT, who are both top 10 bigs. Okafor is not a top 10 big, so his deficiencies are more pronounced.

[CoreyGallagher]

This thread is like an alternate universe sometimes.

Did you mean specifically in that discussion? I didn't notice anybody hating on him which is why I assumed you meant typically.

[phifans]

Your mistake right now is simply assuming that people are just "hating" for the sake of hating. No, they're hating because they want to root for promising players and Okafor is running out of time to show that he can become a promising above-average player in the NBA. Look how quickly everyone was willing to fall in love with Embiid. They're not 'haters', they're just desperate to find people to root for after four seasons of being awful.


Saying "he's only 20 years old" ultimately is meaningless because every bad player was also 20 years old at some point.

Why would you bring up Harden and Curry here they are some of the best players in this league and Okafor is one of the worst players in this league. Whats the point of trashing a garbage after every game if you dont hate him as a person ? Just judge him with a standard of trash. Would you care about how the 500th best player in this league play every night ?

Because the 500th best player in the league shouldn't be displacing a player of Noel's ability or even necessarily getting all the minutes over Richaun Holmes.

Also, the post I quoted compared Okafor's defense to KP and KAT, who are both top 10 bigs. Okafor is not a top 10 big, so his deficiencies are more pronounced.

Why would you trash Okafor because our coach plays him over Holmes and our medical staff doesn't allow Noel to play yet ? Just more excuses. Blame all on Okafor is all you gonna do.
And Compare some guys defense doesn't eaqual to compare someone overally.

[76ciology]

AS OF NOW and I'd expect both KP and KAT to improve..

DRPM
-.20 = Okafor
-.18 = KP
-.90 = KAT

Big Difference is on Jah's ORPM. He is 404th out of 419 qualified players. He is one of the worst player on offense. He can be a big negative impact player despite scoring 12-15ppg on 50+FG%. He needs to change his style

[Sportfan73]

AS OF NOW and I'd expect both KP and KAT to improve..

DRPM
-.20 = Okafor
-.18 = KP
-.90 = KAT

Big Difference is on Jah's ORPM. He is 404th out of 419 qualified players. He is one of the worst player on offense. He can be a big negative impact player despite scoring 12-15ppg on 50+FG%. He needs to change his style

Gotta go quick when he gets it. Seems like now he's waiting for the double to pass. Needs to just go and read and if he misses or turns it over so be it.

[Sixerscan]

This thread is like an alternate universe sometimes.

Did you mean specifically in that discussion? I didn't notice anybody hating on him which is why I assumed you meant typically.

Are you serious... I would venture a guess that there have been over 1,000 posts in the last year comparing Okafor to Towns and/or Porzingis...

Anyway, feel free to take it more generally. The "hate" of Okafor is generally a reaction to people being too high on him, IMO. Like some people have this impression that I'm anti Okafor/pro Noel when really I don't care which one they keep. That perception probably comes from me reacting to certain people overrating one and certain people probably underrating the other. Though sometimes I get more frustrated with okafor just because of lot of his problems relate to a lack of focus and inconsistent effort, which should not be acceptable.

[Kirk Van Houten]

Did you mean specifically in that discussion? I didn't notice anybody hating on him which is why I assumed you meant typically.

Are you serious... I would venture a guess that there have been over 1,000 posts in the last year comparing Okafor to Towns and/or Porzingis....

I couldn't begin to imagine the amount of Okafor vs Noel posts but I'm not sure if I have ever seen Jah compared to towns or porzingis.


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[Kolkmania]

Jah had some solid screens against the Celtics.

[LloydFree]

In an interview the other day, I heard Brett Brown reference the statical data the analytics department provides, stating the 76ers have the #1 or 2 defense when Embiid is on the court and #30 when he is off the court. Hopefully the analytics department is whispering this in Colangelo's ear constantly and it helps speed up the urgency to trade Okafor out of here, before his value gets any lower.

[phillthy13]

Have to have patience with our bigs. Wait until we see what we've all been waiting for before making any big decision. Ben on the court will show you who needs to go but making a move before then would be desperate.

[Ericb5]

Did you mean specifically in that discussion? I didn't notice anybody hating on him which is why I assumed you meant typically.

Are you serious... I would venture a guess that there have been over 1,000 posts in the last year comparing Okafor to Towns and/or Porzingis...

Anyway, feel free to take it more generally. The "hate" of Okafor is generally a reaction to people being too high on him, IMO. Like some people have this impression that I'm anti Okafor/pro Noel when really I don't care which one they keep. That perception probably comes from me reacting to certain people overrating one and certain people probably underrating the other. Though sometimes I get more frustrated with okafor just because of lot of his problems relate to a lack of focus and inconsistent effort, which should not be acceptable.

The "hate" isn't just disliking someone, or being critical of someone. "Hate" is not being fair to someone, and continually taking every opportunity to bash someone. Haters enjoy the fact that it pisses off the fans, so they take every opportunity to bash him after bad games, and then say nothing during the good games. He has played pretty well over the past five games, and is clearly moving in the right direction.

Why doesn't Okafor deserve the benefit of the doubt? He is a 20 year old kid, that is trying to improve his game. By all accounts he is a coachable, accountable teammate, and positive guy. He doesn't deserve the abuse that he takes here. It's not his fault that he was drafted in front of Porzingis.

He has played pretty well the last 5 games, and yet people aren't talking about that. Why not? Because people have stopped being fair with him. At this point they don't want to see him improve and lose the argument.

Why is there so much hatred for a 20 year old back up center?

[PhilasFinest]

Have to have patience with our bigs. Wait until we see what we've all been waiting for before making any big decision. Ben on the court will show you who needs to go but making a move before then would be desperate.

Yea lets wait and see.... then next thing you know, the player doesn't develop as well because of botched experiments, becomes disgruntled, gets an injury and is suddenly in his contract year due a 20+M extension and your trade market is smaller than ever with little to no leverage. Oh wait, thats what happened with Nerlens. Jah is next at this rate.


I agree, you don't just make a move to make one....but we do not have some infinite timeline to sit, wait and watch with these guys. They are top picks and are eager to play and try and carve out their own niches in the NBA. Pulling them in games, playing sporadic minutes/roles and in multiple ill suited positions is just stunting the growth of the player, which effects both them and us in terms of trade value. At some point, you need to look in the mirror and say..... This is what we got.


I was all aboard the whole "stockpiling assets" thing, but this is the type of issue that arises when you simply make picks to possibly develop as ASSETS and not PLAYERS. You can't draft kids in the top of the 1st round, develop them poorly by trying to make them something they are not and then turn around 3 years later and expect to get top dollar in return.

[spikeslovechild]

Did you mean specifically in that discussion? I didn't notice anybody hating on him which is why I assumed you meant typically.

Though sometimes I get more frustrated with okafor just because of lot of his problems relate to a lack of focus and inconsistent effort, which should not be acceptable.

Thats exactly where I'm at. I watch him and know the talent is there I see it in spurts. It's just frustrating knowing he has the talent and only see it displayed in small stretches in large part due to a lack of focus, drive, and effort of Okafor.

I'm sort of tired of people posting these 5 game lines. I want to see it from his consistently. The other thing that is really frustrating is to see him open on the block and watch our 2bit garbage guards fling the ball around the perimeter and settle for a contested three. Especially when you see the matchups.

Not just Okafor but Embiid too. We have two absolute beasts size wise who can score inside. Yet we play like we are the GSW and trotting out some small ball lineup. Brown is just awful.

[rzzzzz]

We have two absolute beasts size wise who can score inside. Yet we play like we are the GSW and trotting out some small ball lineup.

Gosh, if only we had a coach who came out of the Spurs organization, familiar with multiple big man line-ups. (I'm assuming that Brown will ramp up pairing the two of them, and maybe even Jo and Noel, with easing minute restrictions, OK4's improving knee, and Nerlens' return.)

[Sixerscan]

Did you mean specifically in that discussion? I didn't notice anybody hating on him which is why I assumed you meant typically.

Are you serious... I would venture a guess that there have been over 1,000 posts in the last year comparing Okafor to Towns and/or Porzingis...

Anyway, feel free to take it more generally. The "hate" of Okafor is generally a reaction to people being too high on him, IMO. Like some people have this impression that I'm anti Okafor/pro Noel when really I don't care which one they keep. That perception probably comes from me reacting to certain people overrating one and certain people probably underrating the other. Though sometimes I get more frustrated with okafor just because of lot of his problems relate to a lack of focus and inconsistent effort, which should not be acceptable.

The "hate" isn't just disliking someone, or being critical of someone. "Hate" is not being fair to someone, and continually taking every opportunity to bash someone. Haters enjoy the fact that it pisses off the fans, so they take every opportunity to bash him after bad games, and then say nothing during the good games. He has played pretty well over the past five games, and is clearly moving in the right direction.

Why doesn't Okafor deserve the benefit of the doubt? He is a 20 year old kid, that is trying to improve his game. By all accounts he is a coachable, accountable teammate, and positive guy. He doesn't deserve the abuse that he takes here. It's not his fault that he was drafted in front of Porzingis.

He has played pretty well the last 5 games, and yet people aren't talking about that. Why not? Because people have stopped being fair with him. At this point they don't want to see him improve and lose the argument.

Why is there so much hatred for a 20 year old back up center?

The last 5 games include the bulls game and the Toronto game which were garbage performances. There was the Cleveland game which I called his best game of the year in the game thread. I had a busy weekend and wasn't able to catch the magic or Celtic games.

The fact that you expect daily check ins about this guy sort of explains my point. The reason why there is more hate/critique of the backup center is because there are a group of people obsess about/overrate/justify the guy relative to other players on the team. It seems like Dario out played Okafor on Saturday, there's not nearly the same reaction to him playing well in a game. (Notice I didn't check in about Dario either, I must be hating!) Either way, I have an opinion about okafor, it's not going to change based on a few games, no more than your opinion was changed when he put up 2 points and 1 rebound 6 games ago.

[PhilasFinest]

Towns looks like a stud. Porznigis seems to be developing into a stud. Russell prior to injury seemed to be showing bright spots.... Okafor had some decent games last year, but for the #3 pick to be a backup center right now and struggling obviously wears on fans, who usually expect an impact player with such a high draft choice after an outright dreaded tanking season.

It certainly doesn't help Okafor that we have a glut of high 1st rounders at the 5 spot. If he was on a team that had him and a backup, and he was getting a steady dose of starters minutes, maybe he would be in more of a rhythm and his confidence would be higher= at least producing "box score" stats to appease the causal fan.

Certainly a frustrating situation for all parties involved I'm sure.

[spikeslovechild]

Are you serious... I would venture a guess that there have been over 1,000 posts in the last year comparing Okafor to Towns and/or Porzingis...

Anyway, feel free to take it more generally. The "hate" of Okafor is generally a reaction to people being too high on him, IMO. Like some people have this impression that I'm anti Okafor/pro Noel when really I don't care which one they keep. That perception probably comes from me reacting to certain people overrating one and certain people probably underrating the other. Though sometimes I get more frustrated with okafor just because of lot of his problems relate to a lack of focus and inconsistent effort, which should not be acceptable.

The "hate" isn't just disliking someone, or being critical of someone. "Hate" is not being fair to someone, and continually taking every opportunity to bash someone. Haters enjoy the fact that it pisses off the fans, so they take every opportunity to bash him after bad games, and then say nothing during the good games. He has played pretty well over the past five games, and is clearly moving in the right direction.

Why doesn't Okafor deserve the benefit of the doubt? He is a 20 year old kid, that is trying to improve his game. By all accounts he is a coachable, accountable teammate, and positive guy. He doesn't deserve the abuse that he takes here. It's not his fault that he was drafted in front of Porzingis.

He has played pretty well the last 5 games, and yet people aren't talking about that. Why not? Because people have stopped being fair with him. At this point they don't want to see him improve and lose the argument.

Why is there so much hatred for a 20 year old back up center?

The last 5 games include the bulls game and the Toronto game which were garbage performances. There was the Cleveland game which I called his best game of the year in the game thread. I had a busy weekend and wasn't able to catch the magic or Celtic games.

The fact that you expect daily check ins about this guy sort of explains my point. The reason why there is more hate/critique of the backup center is because there are a group of people obsess about/overrate/justify the guy relative to other players on the team. It seems like Dario out played Okafor on Saturday, there's not nearly the same reaction to him playing well in a game. (Notice I didn't check in about Dario either, I must be hating!) Either way, I have an opinion about okafor, it's not going to change based on a few games, no more than your opinion was changed when he put up 2 points and 1 rebound 6 games ago.

I think thats sort of the problem. My opinion of Okafor has changed. All our opinions should change as his career progresses.

If you are invested in his success or failure to such an extent that you refuse to acknowledge the reality of what is happening then you aren't being honest.

[TTP]

The "hate" isn't just disliking someone, or being critical of someone. "Hate" is not being fair to someone, and continually taking every opportunity to bash someone. Haters enjoy the fact that it pisses off the fans, so they take every opportunity to bash him after bad games, and then say nothing during the good games. He has played pretty well over the past five games, and is clearly moving in the right direction.

Why doesn't Okafor deserve the benefit of the doubt? He is a 20 year old kid, that is trying to improve his game. By all accounts he is a coachable, accountable teammate, and positive guy. He doesn't deserve the abuse that he takes here. It's not his fault that he was drafted in front of Porzingis.

He has played pretty well the last 5 games, and yet people aren't talking about that. Why not? Because people have stopped being fair with him. At this point they don't want to see him improve and lose the argument.

Why is there so much hatred for a 20 year old back up center?

The last 5 games include the bulls game and the Toronto game which were garbage performances. There was the Cleveland game which I called his best game of the year in the game thread. I had a busy weekend and wasn't able to catch the magic or Celtic games.

The fact that you expect daily check ins about this guy sort of explains my point. The reason why there is more hate/critique of the backup center is because there are a group of people obsess about/overrate/justify the guy relative to other players on the team. It seems like Dario out played Okafor on Saturday, there's not nearly the same reaction to him playing well in a game. (Notice I didn't check in about Dario either, I must be hating!) Either way, I have an opinion about okafor, it's not going to change based on a few games, no more than your opinion was changed when he put up 2 points and 1 rebound 6 games ago.

I think thats sort of the problem. My opinion of Okafor has changed. All our opinions should change as his career progresses.

If you are invested in his success or failure to such an extent that you refuse to acknowledge the reality of what is happening then you aren't be honest.

He said his opinion isn't changing based on a few games. That's pretty reasonable - giving a lot of weight to a small sample of results is unwise.

[Sixerscan]

The "hate" isn't just disliking someone, or being critical of someone. "Hate" is not being fair to someone, and continually taking every opportunity to bash someone. Haters enjoy the fact that it pisses off the fans, so they take every opportunity to bash him after bad games, and then say nothing during the good games. He has played pretty well over the past five games, and is clearly moving in the right direction.

Why doesn't Okafor deserve the benefit of the doubt? He is a 20 year old kid, that is trying to improve his game. By all accounts he is a coachable, accountable teammate, and positive guy. He doesn't deserve the abuse that he takes here. It's not his fault that he was drafted in front of Porzingis.

He has played pretty well the last 5 games, and yet people aren't talking about that. Why not? Because people have stopped being fair with him. At this point they don't want to see him improve and lose the argument.

Why is there so much hatred for a 20 year old back up center?

The last 5 games include the bulls game and the Toronto game which were garbage performances. There was the Cleveland game which I called his best game of the year in the game thread. I had a busy weekend and wasn't able to catch the magic or Celtic games.

The fact that you expect daily check ins about this guy sort of explains my point. The reason why there is more hate/critique of the backup center is because there are a group of people obsess about/overrate/justify the guy relative to other players on the team. It seems like Dario out played Okafor on Saturday, there's not nearly the same reaction to him playing well in a game. (Notice I didn't check in about Dario either, I must be hating!) Either way, I have an opinion about okafor, it's not going to change based on a few games, no more than your opinion was changed when he put up 2 points and 1 rebound 6 games ago.

I think thats sort of the problem. My opinion of Okafor has changed. All our opinions should change as his career progresses.

If you are invested in his success or failure to such an extent that you refuse to acknowledge the reality of what is happening then you aren't being honest.

Your opinion changes based on a few games? I think you're misreading what I wrote.

Right now my opinion is he needs to get into better shape and put forth a more consistent effort, and if he does so he will be a solid backup for Embiid. And theres little reason to think playing him with Embiid is a good long term option but embiids talent level could make it work to some extent against some matchups. Not sure what he's done lately to change that.

I've been on this board too long to really take any sort of claim that I'm "invested" in a particular player seriously. If okafor starts trying hard every night and playing well I will be his biggest fan. What I won't do is assume that has happened after a weekend of it.