Losses Due to Coaching (Brooks/Saunders)

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

So far, Scott Brooks is looking more like Flip the Wizards coach.

Eddie Jordan in Philly and Sacramento and Rutgers WON JUST AS MUCH as Flip Saunders did with the Wizards.

[Dat2U]

Eddie Jordan was so damn good he ran Rutgers, his alma mater, right into ground. He was brutal coaching the Kings & 76ers and now is out of coaching altogether at the moment. Continuing give Jordan credit minimizes the contribution Gilbert Arenas made to the franchise, a guy Jordan didn't even want. Your love of Jordan is not just unfounded its makes no sense. Just like this thread.

This times infinity.

Eddie Jordan was a terrible coach. Arenas was basically James Harden, yet EJ averaged just 43 wins in his 3 peak years despite playing in an extremely weak conference and having two other All-Stars alongside Arenas.

nate, I love you ...

But .....

Bullshyt.

Eddie MADE THE PLAYOFFS WITH ARENAS INJURED!!!

Eddie ALSO coached the same players Flip did to MANY MORE WINS.

Eddie got the SHORT END OF THE STRAW WITH INJURIES AND MEETING LEBRON JAMES IN THE PLAYOFFS.

You're dead wrong about Eddie's peak years IMO.

You're right about Philly, the Kings, and (apparently) Rutgers ...

Eddie Jordan still made the playoffs (once again in a weak East) with two all-stars and a rock solid starting C.

In Eddie's 'peak years' he had a peak Gilbert, a peak Caron & a peak Antwan.

Looking back at various Wizards coaches in the recent past, I would say that Eddie Jordan was a very bad defensive coach. However, he was an excellent locker room coach and he tended to win with very limited personnel. If Eddie were coaching this team, I believe they would be about 11 wins and seven losses instead of 6 and 12.

Flip Saunders inherited a roster that was totally incapable of what he thought he could do with it. Andray Blatche was no Kevin Garnett. As a coach Flip really wasn't very successful in DC.

Randy Wittman was an excellent interim coach. So much so that the Wizards did not hire Dave Joerger when they might have. They rewarded Wittman with the permanent coaching contract. (Peanuts compared to what EG gave Scott Brooks!). This turned out to be not the best move in my opinion. Wittman did not like to play the young guys at all. Player Development was severely stunted. Wall and Beal did not learn the best spacing concepts toward maximizing their efficiency on the floor. I thought otherwise Randy was a darned good coach.

So far I don't know what to make of Scott Brooks

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Eddie Jordan was so damn good he ran Rutgers, his alma mater, right into ground. He was brutal coaching the Kings & 76ers and now is out of coaching altogether at the moment. Continuing give Jordan credit minimizes the contribution Gilbert Arenas made to the franchise, a guy Jordan didn't even want. Your love of Jordan is not just unfounded its makes no sense. Just like this thread.

Eddie was not the dumb guy that Flip was. That gun gate debacle NEVER would have happened under EJ. THAT is what's wrecked this franchise.

The Wizards were BETTER under EJ than this current Wall iteration having been coached by Saunders, Wittman, and now Brooks.

Jordan WAS TERRIBLE with respect to not coaching good defense and for his HATRED (IMO) of Brendan Haywood. EVEN I GOT SICK OF EJ'S SMALL BALL.

However, that said Eddie Jordan was and is CLASS PERSONIFIED. Something the billionaire, the GM, and at least one past coach CLEARLY are not.

I will continue to champion Eddie Jordan.

Just like with Kirk Cousins and DeMarcus Cousins; I'm RIGHT ABOUT THIS.

That's all, folks.

Gun gate wasn't a Flip issue. It was a Gil/Javaris issue. It was the toxic culture of the franchise that allowed players to believe an issue could be resolved with guns. That had nothing to do with Flip. Why you feel the need to kick dirt on a dead man I'll never understand. It sorta sounds like hands11 trashing Abe in his support of Ernie.

Comparing EJ to what Flip, Randy & Scott did is worthless. None of these coaches were dealt the same hand. We've got plenty of evidence BEFORE, DURING & AFTER his time in DC to know what type of coach Eddie was. Had he experienced a modicum of success anywhere OUTSIDE of when he was blessed with a roster of 2-3 all-stars I might give some benefit of doubt. Instead his tenure in every other spot was a complete disaster. Maybe if he ever bothered to provide more than lip service to the defensive side of the court he'd still have a job somewhere, anywhere.

As far as class personified, I'd bet his wife might disagree but that's probably a topic for discussion outside of realgm.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I think gun gate was a Flip Saunders and Ernie Grunfeld issue.

That I had two co-workers that were fighting or about to fight and I knew that one of them kept a weapon in her trunk. I helped defuse that won.

Another time about 10 years ago when a teacher was about to get beat down by a parent not only did I did fuse that I also met this white guy at the door and told him wrong School. (There literally was a simultaneous teacher assault at the neighboring school!)

I say that to say that Ernie and Flip let something Eddie would have had none of happen.

You can't tell me any wouldn't have had people not shooting at each other or having guns around. Eddie was the type of dude if anybody got shot he shot them.

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[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

This times infinity.

Eddie Jordan was a terrible coach. Arenas was basically James Harden, yet EJ averaged just 43 wins in his 3 peak years despite playing in an extremely weak conference and having two other All-Stars alongside Arenas.

nate, I love you ...

But .....

Bullshyt.

Eddie MADE THE PLAYOFFS WITH ARENAS INJURED!!!

Eddie ALSO coached the same players Flip did to MANY MORE WINS.

Eddie got the SHORT END OF THE STRAW WITH INJURIES AND MEETING LEBRON JAMES IN THE PLAYOFFS.

You're dead wrong about Eddie's peak years IMO.

You're right about Philly, the Kings, and (apparently) Rutgers ...

Eddie Jordan still made the playoffs (once again in a weak East) with two all-stars and a rock solid starting C.

In Eddie's 'peak years' he had a peak Gilbert, a peak Caron & a peak Antwan.

Eddie Jordan was so damn good he ran Rutgers, his alma mater, right into ground. He was brutal coaching the Kings & 76ers and now is out of coaching altogether at the moment. Continuing give Jordan credit minimizes the contribution Gilbert Arenas made to the franchise, a guy Jordan didn't even want. Your love of Jordan is not just unfounded its makes no sense. Just like this thread.

Eddie was not the dumb guy that Flip was. That gun gate debacle NEVER would have happened under EJ. THAT is what's wrecked this franchise.

The Wizards were BETTER under EJ than this current Wall iteration having been coached by Saunders, Wittman, and now Brooks.

Jordan WAS TERRIBLE with respect to not coaching good defense and for his HATRED (IMO) of Brendan Haywood. EVEN I GOT SICK OF EJ'S SMALL BALL.

However, that said Eddie Jordan was and is CLASS PERSONIFIED. Something the billionaire, the GM, and at least one past coach CLEARLY are not.

I will continue to champion Eddie Jordan.

Just like with Kirk Cousins and DeMarcus Cousins; I'm RIGHT ABOUT THIS.

That's all, folks.

Gun gate wasn't a Flip issue. It was a Gil/Javaris issue. It was the toxic culture of the franchise that allowed players to believe an issue could be resolved with guns. That had nothing to do with Flip. Why you feel the need to kick dirt on a dead man I'll never understand. It sorta sounds like hands11 trashing Abe in his support of Ernie.

Comparing EJ to what Flip, Randy & Scott did is worthless. None of these coaches were dealt the same hand. We've got plenty of evidence BEFORE, DURING & AFTER his time in DC to know what type of coach Eddie was. Had he experienced a modicum of success anywhere OUTSIDE of when he was blessed with a roster of 2-3 all-stars I might give some benefit of doubt. Instead his tenure in every other spot was a complete disaster. Maybe if he ever bothered to provide more than lip service to the defensive side of the court he'd still have a job somewhere, anywhere.

As far as class personified, I'd bet his wife might disagree but that's probably a topic for discussion outside of realgm.

I have two Ex-Wives and you can go ask them what they think of me.

I think it's relevant since you brought it up

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[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

How well did Eddie Jordan coach the D.C. Assault AAU team?

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[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Nate and Dat, love you both...

I am kinda cranky from my workouts. Tryna lose weight to get some camera time as an extra.

Flat tummy gets hired. Fat Boys (self incl) do not get certain roles...

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[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

This times infinity.

Eddie Jordan was a terrible coach. Arenas was basically James Harden, yet EJ averaged just 43 wins in his 3 peak years despite playing in an extremely weak conference and having two other All-Stars alongside Arenas.

nate, I love you ...

But .....

Bullshyt.

Eddie MADE THE PLAYOFFS WITH ARENAS INJURED!!!

Eddie ALSO coached the same players Flip did to MANY MORE WINS.

Eddie got the SHORT END OF THE STRAW WITH INJURIES AND MEETING LEBRON JAMES IN THE PLAYOFFS.

You're dead wrong about Eddie's peak years IMO.

You're right about Philly, the Kings, and (apparently) Rutgers ...

Eddie Jordan still made the playoffs (once again in a weak East) with two all-stars and a rock solid starting C.

In Eddie's 'peak years' he had a peak Gilbert, a peak Caron & a peak Antwan.

Eddie Jordan was so damn good he ran Rutgers, his alma mater, right into ground. He was brutal coaching the Kings & 76ers and now is out of coaching altogether at the moment. Continuing give Jordan credit minimizes the contribution Gilbert Arenas made to the franchise, a guy Jordan didn't even want. Your love of Jordan is not just unfounded its makes no sense. Just like this thread.

Eddie was not the dumb guy that Flip was. That gun gate debacle NEVER would have happened under EJ. THAT is what's wrecked this franchise.

The Wizards were BETTER under EJ than this current Wall iteration having been coached by Saunders, Wittman, and now Brooks.

Jordan WAS TERRIBLE with respect to not coaching good defense and for his HATRED (IMO) of Brendan Haywood. EVEN I GOT SICK OF EJ'S SMALL BALL.

However, that said Eddie Jordan was and is CLASS PERSONIFIED. Something the billionaire, the GM, and at least one past coach CLEARLY are not.

I will continue to champion Eddie Jordan.

Just like with Kirk Cousins and DeMarcus Cousins; I'm RIGHT ABOUT THIS.

That's all, folks.

Gun gate wasn't a Flip issue. It was a Gil/Javaris issue. It was the toxic culture of the franchise that allowed players to believe an issue could be resolved with guns. That had nothing to do with Flip. Why you feel the need to kick dirt on a dead man I'll never understand. It sorta sounds like hands11 trashing Abe in his support of Ernie.

Comparing EJ to what Flip, Randy & Scott did is worthless. None of these coaches were dealt the same hand. We've got plenty of evidence BEFORE, DURING & AFTER his time in DC to know what type of coach Eddie was. Had he experienced a modicum of success anywhere OUTSIDE of when he was blessed with a roster of 2-3 all-stars I might give some benefit of doubt. Instead his tenure in every other spot was a complete disaster. Maybe if he ever bothered to provide more than lip service to the defensive side of the court he'd still have a job somewhere, anywhere.

As far as class personified, I'd bet his wife might disagree but that's probably a topic for discussion outside of realgm.

Sorry, bad edits sorta due to my phone....

Eddie Jordan had Jamison a bad defensive player. Eddie Jordan had Caron Butler who was a pretty selfish player and not a great defender, either.

Those guys won-- without arenas and often without Butler or Jameson due to multiple injuries-- at a better rate than this more talented Wizards team under other coaches

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[Ruzious]

Eddie won my respect when he got to the playoffs with DeShawn Stephenson (sp?) and Antonio Daniels as his best guards all season long. Not a good defensive coach but a good motivator when he was here.

[FAH1223]

Brooks has probably cost 3 losses. But the roster hasn't been kind.

Thornton shouldn't be playing. Sato has disappointed with his bad jumpshot and lack of scoring.

[80sballboy]

Not a fan of Brooks so far but tough to judge with such a poor bench. His love of Thornton is laughable and while I understand sending McLellan and House (now injured) to the D-League, why not play Ochefu or send him there as well? But with Smith and Nicholson as his backup posts, he's completely f-cked if Gortat doesn't give him a quality 35-40 minutes.

My biggest fault is not his handling of the bench, it's the starters lack of defense. The lack of communication and of effort, esp. from Morris, Wall and Beal and certain nights Gortat is a joke and falls at Brooks inability to motivate this squad.

[Dark Faze]

Not a fan of his x's and o's, am a fan of the development I'm seeing from the foundation players.

[long suffrin' boulez fan]

Just hope he's not developing John for when he signs a free agent deal with the Lakers.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Three wins in the last four games.

I started this thread. I need to try and be fair ...

[long suffrin' boulez fan]

In fairness, Brooks looked clueless and kind of checked out tonight.

[NatP4]

In fairness, Brooks looked clueless and kind of checked out tonight.

You mean Trey Burke isn't a crunch time wing player?

[Sluggerface]

My biggest fault is not his handling of the bench, it's the starters lack of defense. The lack of communication and of effort, esp. from Morris, Wall and Beal and certain nights Gortat is a joke and falls at Brooks inability to motivate this squad.

It could be better, but you need a good frontcourt to be successful defensively in this league. Gortat is just average in that regard and Morris, well, nobody should really be surprised at how awful he's been since this was his MO in Phoenix.

That being said, even with Morris's total non production, the starting five still have a very good defensive rating of 97.8.