2016-17 MVP Discussion Thread

[Ballerhogger]

Amazing to think that all 3 of them were on the same team once upon a time.

Good job presti and ownership...

I dont blame Presti and ownership for Durant but the Harden trade will probably go down as the worst trade of the decade.

I'll add Scott Brooks as well. well if harden gets payed and stays I see Durant staying at least one more year by this point.

[K_chile22]

If he's stat padding so much it would hurt his team. Which is rather amazing since they rebound better when he's on court than off by what was at last check a significant margin.

The way he hunts for rebounds does sometimes hurt their defense, but he at least makes for it offensively because when he gets a rebound it's almost always a fastbreak, which is huge for a team with such little shooting so I really have no problem with guys like he and Harden (who does the same thing to an extent) doing it because getting out on the open floor with those two is huge

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Except the defense is massively better with him on court too, so this argument doesn't hold up very well either.

I think that's because he plays most of his minutes with Steven Adams. Haven't looked the other way but Adams has only played 40 minutes without WB, they don't get staggered at all. I don't think there's much argument for Westbrook being a good defender this year and that's fine! He does so much offensively it's OK! And even with his poor defensive efforts this year he's also still much better than Christian on D. Mostly because Christian isn't an nba player

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[bondom34]

The way he hunts for rebounds does sometimes hurt their defense, but he at least makes for it offensively because when he gets a rebound it's almost always a fastbreak, which is huge for a team with such little shooting so I really have no problem with guys like he and Harden (who does the same thing to an extent) doing it because getting out on the open floor with those two is huge

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Except the defense is massively better with him on court too, so this argument doesn't hold up very well either.

I think that's because he plays most of his minutes with Steven Adams. Haven't looked the other way but Adams has only played 40 minutes without WB, they don't get staggered at all. I don't think there's much argument for Westbrook being a good defender this year and that's fine! He does so much offensively it's OK! And even with his poor defensive efforts this year he's also still much better than Christian on D. Mostly because Christian isn't an nba player

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He's actually been relatively decent defensively. Not great, but outside a few games solid.

[K_chile22]

Except the defense is massively better with him on court too, so this argument doesn't hold up very well either.

I think that's because he plays most of his minutes with Steven Adams. Haven't looked the other way but Adams has only played 40 minutes without WB, they don't get staggered at all. I don't think there's much argument for Westbrook being a good defender this year and that's fine! He does so much offensively it's OK! And even with his poor defensive efforts this year he's also still much better than Christian on D. Mostly because Christian isn't an nba player

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He's actually been relatively decent defensively. Not great, but outside a few games solid.

So it's probably fair to say that them being so much better on defense with him on the floor isn't representative of his actual defensive play, yes? I wasn't saying his rebound hunting just destroys the defense but there are times where he will leave someone when he feels a shot will go up so he can get a rebound and leave that guy open on an offensive rebound or last second pass. That doesn't have a huge effect but it is there. I also argued that it is outweighed by how much it helps the Thunder when RW gets a defensive rebound because he starts the break

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[bondom34]

I think that's because he plays most of his minutes with Steven Adams. Haven't looked the other way but Adams has only played 40 minutes without WB, they don't get staggered at all. I don't think there's much argument for Westbrook being a good defender this year and that's fine! He does so much offensively it's OK! And even with his poor defensive efforts this year he's also still much better than Christian on D. Mostly because Christian isn't an nba player

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He's actually been relatively decent defensively. Not great, but outside a few games solid.

So it's probably fair to say that them being so much better on defense with him on the floor isn't representative of his actual defensive play, yes? I wasn't saying his rebound hunting just destroys the defense but there are times where he will leave someone when he feels a shot will go up so he can get a rebound and leave that guy open on an offensive rebound or last second pass. That doesn't have a huge effect but it is there. I also argued that it is outweighed by how much it helps the Thunder when RW gets a defensive rebound because he starts the break

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Ah, yeah pretty much agree there. He's not stat padding by any stretch, as he's helping the team. I just hate that term.

[Patches Perry]

Durant is a distance 3rd for the last top 3.
Harden
Brook
KD

Amazing to think that all 3 of them were on the same team once upon a time.

And we only see how good they are when all three are on separate teams. Durant dominates the ball less, but Westbrook and Harden are so ball-dominant they they never could have co-existed together and be seen as the MVP caliber players they are now. Presti drafted 3 incredible players, who unfortunately had overlapping skillsets in many ways. I think he chose Westbrook over Harden, and figured Westbrook and Durant would be the franchise duo of the future. This was true until they got hurt 2 of 4 years and Durant left.

[K_chile22]

Ah, yeah pretty much agree there. He's not stat padding by any stretch, as he's helping the team. I just hate that term.

Meh, I think it's possible to do both. I would say Harden also does both. Stat padding has a negative connotation that isn't always accurate. They both chase rebounds and assists that they don't have to get or don't come strictly through the flow of the game but those often still help the team. Maybe I just have a different idea of the term 'stat padding' than everyone else though, I just don't believe that stat padding has to be at the detriment of the team.

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[bondom34]

Ah, yeah pretty much agree there. He's not stat padding by any stretch, as he's helping the team. I just hate that term.

Meh, I think it's possible to do both. I would say Harden also does both. Stat padding has a negative connotation that isn't always accurate. They both chase rebounds and assists that they don't have to get or don't come strictly through the flow of the game but those often still help the team. Maybe I just have a different idea of the term 'stat padding' than everyone else though, I just don't believe that stat padding has to be at the detriment of the team.

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Fair, I guess we all have a definition we use for it, I just always had it as a negative one .

[3Diamantidis]

That award for westbrook is the most certain lock i have had in years.
The only thing OKC has to do, is to be a PO team.
Russ will average a TD.
His MVP race will go down in history books as legendary.

[Bad Gatorade]

That award for westbrook is the most certain lock i have had in years.
The only thing OKC has to do, is to be a PO team.
Russ will average a TD.
His MVP race will go down in history books as legendary.

I really don't see how he's more of a lock than Curry was last year

[Dadouv47]

Chill guys, it's early December and the thunder had a REALLY good schedule with a lot of bad opponents.

Saying that, let's go GOATbrook !!!

[ken6199]

OKC has a 2.48 SRS, lower than Detroit, much lower than Jazz. I am concerned by Westbrook's energy level once the schedule gets tough.


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[manou]

I have to say, this TD streak is becoming ridiculous o_O
If he can do it for the season, he has to be the mvp, that'd be a season for the ages.
What he's doing right now is already legendary...

[Ballerhogger]

LeBron may just go for it out of necessity this year,if JR misses a lot of time.

[Triples333]

LeBron may just go for it out of necessity this year,if JR misses a lot of time.

JR has been the worst starter in the NBA... I don't know that they'll need a 'Bron throwback MVP season to cover the 7 ppg on 30% from the field.

[Ballerhogger]

LeBron may just go for it out of necessity this year,if JR misses a lot of time.

JR has been the worst starter in the NBA... I don't know that they'll need a 'Bron throwback MVP season to cover the 7 ppg on 30% from the field.

He had bad start but his value on defense for the season will be missed . They got shumpert I guess but JR defense presence and when he's knocking down 3s will be missed. Just means Kyrie, love , will have to step up defensively .

[Triples333]

LeBron may just go for it out of necessity this year,if JR misses a lot of time.

JR has been the worst starter in the NBA... I don't know that they'll need a 'Bron throwback MVP season to cover the 7 ppg on 30% from the field.

He had bad start but his value on defense for the season will be missed . They got shumpert I guess but JR defense presence and when he's knocking down 3s will be missed. Just means Kyrie, love , will have to step up defensively .

It's JR Smith dude. Not Avery Bradley. Their average D this season (actually below) will remain average. He has been a train wreck. Long term it's a concern, but short term it's probably a sigh of relief to get somebody else his minutes. In any case, I don't see it as a means for LBJ to bolster his production in order to shore up what they're missing from JR.

[HurricaneKid]

If he's stat padding so much it would hurt his team. Which is rather amazing since they rebound better when he's on court than off by what was at last check a significant margin.

The way he hunts for rebounds does sometimes hurt their defense, but he at least makes for it offensively because when he gets a rebound it's almost always a fastbreak, which is huge for a team with such little shooting so I really have no problem with guys like he and Harden (who does the same thing to an extent) doing it because getting out on the open floor with those two is huge

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Except the defense is massively better with him on court too, so this argument doesn't hold up very well either.

Both of these can be explained by the simple fact that Adams almost never plays without RWB in the game.

Westbrook is a blast to watch but if you believe his rebounding stats are legit I have some incredible real estate I can sell you for pennies on the dollar.

[bondom34]

The way he hunts for rebounds does sometimes hurt their defense, but he at least makes for it offensively because when he gets a rebound it's almost always a fastbreak, which is huge for a team with such little shooting so I really have no problem with guys like he and Harden (who does the same thing to an extent) doing it because getting out on the open floor with those two is huge

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Except the defense is massively better with him on court too, so this argument doesn't hold up very well either.

Both of these can be explained by the simple fact that Adams almost never plays without RWB in the game.

Westbrook is a blast to watch but if you believe his rebounding stats are legit I have some incredible real estate I can sell you for pennies on the dollar.

I dont know what "legit" means. I mean, he gets them, its his job to. If you'd rather the other team get em, sure.
And they rebound much better when he's on court.

[Ballerhogger]

The way he hunts for rebounds does sometimes hurt their defense, but he at least makes for it offensively because when he gets a rebound it's almost always a fastbreak, which is huge for a team with such little shooting so I really have no problem with guys like he and Harden (who does the same thing to an extent) doing it because getting out on the open floor with those two is huge

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Except the defense is massively better with him on court too, so this argument doesn't hold up very well either.

Both of these can be explained by the simple fact that Adams almost never plays without RWB in the game.

Westbrook is a blast to watch but if you believe his rebounding stats are legit I have some incredible real estate I can sell you for pennies on the dollar.

are they fake rebounds? Pretty sure westbrook rebounding the ball so can start fast break potentially is all part game plan...