Non-threadworthy MMA Rumors/Quotes/Tweets/Etc., Vol. 4

[Jasen777]

I'd read that Goldy was already planning to leave to go do play by play for the new Vegas hockey team. So, I don't think we have to worry about his kids not being able to eat.

Not if it goes as well as his NFL announcing.

[REDDzone]

That's part of why I love listening to Edgy brah. His CTs are so outlandish sometimes and he believes it and it's hilarious. If you listen to him on a purely entertainment perspective, it's gold. I also love Callen bringing reason to the conversation even though he gets ridiculed too often. The condescension isn't nice and I don't like Rogan playing devil's advocate all the time, even dummy Schaub got in there saying "where there's smoke there's fire," but for me, it's just good fun.

I don't like Schaub but 99% of the time he's just trying to rile up Eddie in these situations I think.

[lilfishi22]

That's part of why I love listening to Edgy brah. His CTs are so outlandish sometimes and he believes it and it's hilarious. If you listen to him on a purely entertainment perspective, it's gold. I also love Callen bringing reason to the conversation even though he gets ridiculed too often. The condescension isn't nice and I don't like Rogan playing devil's advocate all the time, even dummy Schaub got in there saying "where there's smoke there's fire," but for me, it's just good fun.

I don't like Schaub but 99% of the time he's just trying to rile up Eddie in these situations I think.

Which I love. Everyone's got that one friend who's super passionate or fanatical about something, whether it's basketball, CT's or whatever and it's fun to just rile them up sometimes beause you know you're going to get a reaction from them.

[Bernman]

LOL I would be floored if Bravo had ever heard of OPEC (unless he learned about it on CT youtube vids). His latest seems to be that NASA is evil, so he probably thinks the oil supply is ran by NASA.

By the way he thinks this shadowy cabal runs the entire world government and economy, not just oil production and prices, that was just the one example Callen seized on.

Eddie's probably smarter and more informed than Bryan Callen and Brendan Schaub, the problem is he's inarticulate, especially when he's high which seems like it's most of the time. He asks vague questions about if they know what he does, i.e.: Operation Mockingbird; but then can't explain it to them, although it doesn't help that a guy like Bryan Callen is programmed to speak over him because he's passing on said propaganda. That's the beauty of propaganda. You eventually get unwitting, free agents for it.

Operation Mockingbird was a program in the 40's and 50's where the CIA infiltrated the mainstream media with something like 3,000 agents either shaping news from the inside or bribing outlets. http://www.carlbernstein.com/magazine_cia_and_media.php

The CIA bribed the media in the 60's to make conspiracy theory a pejorative (the gift that keeps on giving) when they were covering up the Kennedy assassination. http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2016/08/31/are-you-a-mind-controlled-cia-stooge-paul-craig-roberts/ http://www.businessinsider.com/cia-jfk-assassination-2015-10 So ironic those who mock "conspiracy theorists" with glee when they're often being laughed at by those involved in them who've created this narrative so you won't look into events with an open mind.

World-renowned historian, probably the most respected one from the U.S., Noam Chomsky basically classifies the American mainstream media as corporate/banker gov't propaganda. https://chomsky.info/consent01/ https://chomsky.info/priorities01/

He often references the Creel Commission as an example. The Creel Commission by Woodrow Wilson (biggest dirtbag U.S. president ever) was rather blatant control of public info in the gov'ts favor. http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/?pid=75409

This effort was funded and created by international bankers in order to convince the U.S. public to go into WW1 according to NY Mayor John Hylan, who witnessed them discussing the equivalent today of 50 million paid for war propaganda, in an epic speech where he also talks about the allies putting the interest of oil over humanity in Iraq all the way back in 1922 already. http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=9F07EED6153AEF33A25753C1A9649D946395D6CF

WW1 war hero General Smedley Butler later famously proclaimed "war is a racket" and most of his career was spent as a "high class muscleman for big business and bankers". https://www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/115545.Smedley_D_Butler He concluded this after he was recruited by select international bankers/corporatists to help them install a corporate fascist regime in the U.S., while many of the same people/bankers were funding the Nazis. http://militaryhistorynow.com/2013/02/25/the-business-plot-did-american-billionaires-plan-a-fascist-coup/ https://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/sep/25/usa.secondworldwar

After these efforts to control the U.S./world ultimately failed, the CIA/gov't on behalf of bankers/corporations brought over Nazi scientists in Operation Paperclip to try and brainwash people more aggressively with substances and techniques in a subsequent program called Project MK-Ultra. https://www.archives.gov/iwg/declassified-records/rg-330-defense-secretary http://nsarchive.gwu.edu/radiation/dir/mstreet/commeet/meet4/trnsct04.txt They had goals like: "lower the ambition and general working efficiency of men when administered in undetectable amounts", "promote illogical thinking and impulsiveness to the point where the recipient would be discredited in public", "cause temporary/permanent brain damage and loss of memory", and "alter personality structure in such a way that the tendency of the recipient to become dependent upon another person is enhanced".

Concurrently they have been trying to indoctrinate and dumb down many of the young. As Chomsky writes about Rockefeller's Trilateral Commission, a discussion group which many prominent establishment politicians come out of: "They were concerned about the institutions responsible for the indoctrination of the young (that's their phrase), meaning schools, universities, church and so on—they're not doing their job, [the young are] not being sufficiently indoctrinated. https://chomsky.info/20121224/ This is where the attempt began, by the patriarch of the Rockefeller family, John D., when he formed the General Education Board in the early 1900's. One of its mission statements was: "In our dreams, we have limitless resources and the people yield themselves with perfect docility to our molding hands...We shall not try to make these people or any of their children into philosophers or men of learning, or men of science...The task we set before ourselves is very simple as well as a very beautiful one, to train these people as we find them to a perfectly ideal life just where they are" https://books.google.com/books?id=QzhDAAAAYAAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false

So when supposed "credible" outlets and texts come out with narratives about "fake news" and try and debunk deductions of wrongdoing of the gov't and big business around the time of a scandal, without even actually countering the points independent investigators made, excuse informed people for actually taking THOSE reports with a grain of salt. If the gov't on behalf of bankers/corps isn't infiltrated media for propaganda, they're getting it through being corporately owned and sponsored. It's just logical. Disinformation is information all the same, and they actually have more leeway for entertainment that way.

For God's sake, they tried to push two candidates most of the public hated. That should tell everybody what they need to know about their intentions. If they weren't lapdogs for the establishment, rather watchdogs for the public, they would have taken that as a cue to present other candidates sufficiently that we actually like. Can't find 1 out of 300 million people? Our "allies" have 7-10 parties. The 2-party system is the illusion of choice system they push on us. It's the least amount of choices while still pretending you have one. When outsiders try to invade one of those parties, the other members and media try their hardest to discredit and in turn ignore them. They clearly tried to propagandize for a candidate who had a long track-record of being war-mongering, super pro banker/corporation, super pro Israel, and fascist in Hillary Clinton. As previously demonstrated, that doesn't mean they always get exactly what they want. But who was able to circumvent this system somewhat? A filthy rich, historically unscrupulous, celebrity because they had to cover him. That's supposed to be our savior. Pretty easy to see how he's corrupt and can be corrupted by others.

I showed that to you with the Ron Paul video how they manipulate the political system. Doesn't mean a thing that it was produced and put on the internet. It included mostly clips from mainstream sources, and as with any case your credibility should be determined by the points you make and genuine evidence you provide. Almost everything is put on the internet these days. Doesn't work to discredit a piece. Yes, the downside of the internet is anybody can put anything on there, but that's also the upside. Which is why it's not allowed in North Korea and other communist countries. It's the potential antidote to propaganda.

There are many valid aspects to Pizzagate, especially in regards to the Podestas and Comet Pizza/Ping Pong which is used for fundraisers.

Firstly, what Bravo was referring to in regards to "The Conspiracy of Silence", which he also didn't expound upon, was a documentary for the Discovery Channel in the early 90's that was scheduled to air but got taken off last second due to pressure from powerful people. They had testimony from numerous alleged victim-witnesses about an elite child prostitution/molestation ring involving high-ranking politicians in the 80's. It was originally reported in the Washington Times, is referred to as the Franklin Scandal, and there are books written about it like from state senator John DeCamp. http://www.wanttoknow.info/mind_control https://www.amazon.com/Franklin-Cover-up-Satanism-Murder-Nebraska/dp/0963215809/19890629_washington_times.gif Also, there's extended testimony from victims on Youtube. They have one to a special investigator assigned named Gary Caradori, where a kid named Paul Bonacci describes being molested and having to endure sadistic acts by the likes of a republican party member named Lawrence King and the now famous Barney Frank. It was confirmed Frank had a male prostitution ring running out of his home. But he pinned it solely on his gay prostitute live-in boyfriend (who scoffed at that), picked his own team to investigate him, and the problem went away. Bonacci also implicated Bush Sr. in molesting two boys. These accounts were corroborated by multiple people, and I personally found Bonacci to be one of the most credible victim-witnesses I've ever seen because he was very natural, detailed, and fit the psychological profile (I worked in law enforcement for a number of years and have background in criminal justice and psychology). He was backed up by eventually winning a civil suit against King for molestation, forced kidnapping, and satanic acts. Criminally it never went very far. 1 or 2 lower level members went to prison for a while. But they threatened all the victims with 15-20 year prison sentences for perjury if they testified, one of the kids took the bait, who took down them all, but ultimately when he was ready to talk he got rushed to a mental hospital where he died mysteriously, as did 15+ more people surrounding the investigation, including Caradori in an airplane accident, after another one who was a state senator purported to be threatened over the phone if he continued.

Secondly, these elite pedophile rings involving politicians are starting to be uncovered in other countries such as Belgium, Norway, and is starting to in Britain. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/may/05/dutroux.featuresreview http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2684262/Powerful-elite-20-establishment-figures-paedophile-ring-abused-children-decades.html http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/norway-paedophile-ring-police-arrest-51-men-a7432441.html Jimmy Savile was a famous media personality in Britain, and didn't get caught until after his death, in spite of in life victimizing hundreds throughout the country. That doesn't happen without other elite pedophiles in law enforcement/legislation covering it up. There's a sect in Hollywood where many child actors claim there is a pedophilia ring being swept under the carpet. http://www.businessinsider.com/elijah-wood-hollywood-pedophile-ring-2016-5

Now, onto the current allegations in American politics in the scandal that's being dubbed "Pizzagate". This began when indie investigators began sifting through the Wikileaks (100% cred record, way better than any mainstream outlet) dump before the election and discovered food terms used out of context such as, "65k for pizza/dogs to be shipped for private party", "being worried that a realtor found a pizza-related handkerchief", wondering if they should "play dominos on cheese or pasta", etc. These are known illicit sex codes. They also talk about making Denny (Hastert) disappear to an undisclosed Japanese Island. The former House Speaker was caught and confessed to child molestation. The Podestas fit the description of two men seen abducting a girl in Portugal where they were coincidentally at the time, they have a bunch of sick artwork involving children, and Comet Pizza featured a bunch from an artist named Kim Noble. And check out this band on their website (at your own risk), who speak casually about pedophilia. "Click on Heavy Breathing". http://www.cometpingpong.com/friends-1/

I don't think it should be considered shocking that there is a contingent of occultists and child molesters in upper level U.S. gov't when that's what the Nazis were (had 12 years of Bushs, remember whose family financed the Nazis + corresponding Business Plot) and the U.S. was rated the #1 biggest threat to world peace by far per Gallup polls. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/02/greatest-threat-world-peace-country_n_4531824.html These are people killing and damaging many millions in fake wars for profit and power. It takes a special kind of people to do that. CEO's are 4 times as likely to be psychopaths, let alone those just in the business of making money, and heirs who are never told they're wrong. Power corrupts and draws the corrupted. But they're cool because they aren't poor, they are public figures, and because they tell you? There's also a mechanism to it of blackmail. Get corrupted and corruptible people to do your bidding, referring back to MK-Ultra, "techniques to make people dependent upon them". Blackmail does that to the politicians and some of the individuals they are abusing claim to be part of the MK-Ultra program because when you're abused as a defense mechanism you go into auto-pilot making you suggestible.

The Federal Reserve, the private central banking cartel setting fixed interest rates and having virtual carte blanche to print money out of thin air, is quite blatantly a cabal. Rockefeller rep Frank Van Der Lip said about it after it became law, "I was as secretive - indeed, as furtive - as any conspirator. Discovery, we knew, simply must not happen, or else all our time and effort would be wasted. If it were to be exposed that our particular group had got together and written a banking bill, that bill would have no chance whatever of passage by Congress." http://www.azquotes.com/quote/679671 The system would come down largely with it. Past presidents such as FDR, Jefferson, Adams, and Jackson would be rolling in our graves after they warned us not to cede power to the invisible gov't that are the bankers.

[NO-KG-AI]

LOL I would be floored if Bravo had ever heard of OPEC (unless he learned about it on CT youtube vids). His latest seems to be that NASA is evil, so he probably thinks the oil supply is ran by NASA.

By the way he thinks this shadowy cabal runs the entire world government and economy, not just oil production and prices, that was just the one example Callen seized on.

I love the idea that you can't believe any news source, but you can believe everything on youtube.

I love Eddie, but this podcast was horrific for him, and he's getting more and more smug about all of his conspiracy theories, where he admittedly believes just about every single theory out there

I was almost in tears laughing when he was saying they could be killed for even talking about pizzagate on the podcast.

[Bernman]

I love the idea that you can't believe any news source, but you can believe everything on youtube.

I love Eddie, but this podcast was horrific for him, and he's getting more and more smug about all of his conspiracy theories, where he admittedly believes just about every single theory out there

I was almost in tears laughing when he was saying they could be killed for even talking about pizzagate on the podcast.

Read my post above yours with an open mind. Clear your mind before you read it, otherwise an honest assessment cannot be made.

[NO-KG-AI]

I love the idea that you can't believe any news source, but you can believe everything on youtube.

I love Eddie, but this podcast was horrific for him, and he's getting more and more smug about all of his conspiracy theories, where he admittedly believes just about every single theory out there

I was almost in tears laughing when he was saying they could be killed for even talking about pizzagate on the podcast.

Read my post above yours with an open mind. Clear your mind before you read it, otherwise an honest assessment cannot be made.

Hey Eddie, I had no idea you posted here.

[Bernman]

Hey Eddie, I had no idea you posted here.

Doesn't sound like you did what I asked. How would you ever get to actual truths if you didn't look at the cases from both sides. That's what our legal system is based on.

I provided a ton of sources. I did the research for you, so you can be a lot lazier than I was.

[lilfishi22]

As I scrolled down on bernman's, spot reading through it, there were maybe 3 occassions where I thought it was coming to an end, only for more writing to appear.

[NO-KG-AI]

The entire premise was to defend Eddie Bravo, who thinks lizard people are using chem trails and other nefarious ways to dominate the world, but their masterful plans are only able to be taken apart by youtubers and bloggers, and marijuana is the only thing that can save us. Please show us the light, oh youtube heretics!

I don't really care about an of the stuff you posted, because none of it has anything to do with why Eddie is ignorant and a complete joke when it comes to discussing any topic except BJJ. Eddie won't believe anyone that doesn't agree with something fantastical being the answer to any question he has.

[Bernman]

As I scrolled down on bernman's, spot reading through it, there were maybe 3 occassions where I thought it was coming to an end, only for more writing to appear.

Imagine how much research I did, mostly independent, to produce that much information. I could go on several times as long as that, but that was enough to provide context, and it is very interesting subject matter.

I know, some people just want to be lazy, and go back to what they originally thought out of ego, so their paradigm isn't busted, and because the brainwashing is that deep (I even outlined how that happened, how about just looking at that). There is a good piece on youtube about cognitive dissonance, but I guess the platform makes it worthless even though they document many examples and psychologists, just like probably most would consider TYT Politics less credible on a matter like DAPL even though they've been on the ground the whole time documenting, don't have a conflict of corporate interest, have a history working in mainstream media, have explained how they were told to fit narratives that were often lies, and their current work on DAPL drastically contradicts the story on mainstream media. Good present example of how they shill for corporations.

[lilfishi22]

Eddie's probably smarter and more informed than Bryan Callen and Brendan Schaub, the problem is he's inarticulate, especially when he's high which seems like it's most of the time. He asks vague questions about if they know what he does, i.e.: Operation Mockingbird; but then can't explain it to them, although it doesn't help that a guy like Bryan Callen is programmed to speak over him because he's passing on said propaganda. That's the beauty of propaganda. You eventually get unwitting, free agents for it.

Can't this view be seen as propaganda for your side too? That Callen is a coroporate media shill and whatever he says, he's just saying it to drown out the "truth".

Eddie is informed on what he believes to be truth. Callen is equally as informed on what he believes is truth. I think just because Eddie is a conspiracy theorist, doesn't make his information MORE true than Callen's on the basis that he doesn't care for main stream media.

[Bernman]

The entire premise was to defend Eddie Bravo, who thinks lizard people are using chem trails and other nefarious ways to dominate the world, but their masterful plans are only able to be taken apart by youtubers and bloggers, and marijuana is the only thing that can save us. Please show us the light, oh youtube heretics!

I don't really care about an of the stuff you posted, because none of it has anything to do with why Eddie is ignorant and a complete joke when it comes to discussing any topic except BJJ. Eddie won't believe anyone that doesn't agree with something fantastical being the answer to any question he has.

That doesn't mean you should throw the baby out with the bathwater.

I don't know his education. I graduated with honors from a solid college personally. Also have a background in criminal justice, law, social sciences, and psychology. I know how to do research, especially on matters such as these.

But I can attest in that one clip which started this discussion about his supposed idiocy, he brought up a number of true events, a couple which I mentioned, which shows he has a lot more knowledge than the guys he was arguing. Those things shouldn't be dismissed and pizzagate with it because he's inarticulate, stoned, and has some outlandish opinions.

I'm concerned about things like millions dying for blatant greed and power, as well as thousands being molested and tortured; while it continues in part due to people not being aware or caring. But I'm weird like that.

[cowboyronnie]

Hey Eddie, I had no idea you posted here.

Doesn't sound like you did what I asked. How would you ever get to actual truths if you didn't look at the cases from both sides. That's what our legal system is based on.

I provided a ton of sources. I did the research for you, so you can be a lot lazier than I was.

What could possibly disprove anything you said? You (and Eddie) could just use post hoc explanation to push the conspiracy back one degree. A prediction proves untrue? An atrocity committed that contradicts the interests of the elite? "Oh, that was a false flag." Someone is exposed as a fraud? "Oh, they were a patsy used to discredit the movement." Every academic scoffs at your opinions? "Oh, they're propagandists".

That has already begun with the guy who shot up the pizza place. No one is accepting he's a reflection of poorly-educated dudes on the internet, he is instead an agent of the government used to discredit the movement.

One degree back in the conspiracy, you can explain everything that ever would otherwise disconfirm.

And that is what happens. Trump was supposedly a stooge to allow Clinton to win, countless people predicted that (including Bravo). And now? Have they reconsidered their faculties for judgement? Hilluminati Clinton is now embarrassed, exposed, sleeping late, removed from the halls of power.

How is that explained? Don't worry, you'll come up with something.

[REDDzone]

I showed that to you with the Ron Paul video how they manipulate the political system. Doesn't mean a thing that it was produced and put on the internet. It included mostly clips from mainstream sources, and as with any case your credibility should be determined by the points you make and genuine evidence you provide. Almost everything is put on the internet these days. Doesn't work to discredit a piece. Yes, the downside of the internet is anybody can put anything on there, but that's also the upside. Which is why it's not allowed in North Korea and other communist countries. It's the potential antidote to propaganda.

Bernman I don't have the time at this second to devote to your post that would do it justice given the amount of work you put into it, but I wanted to address this part: I hope you didn't get this from my post. The internet is the richest source of information on the planet and in human history. You are actually attacking Eddie's position here. We are saying the credibility should be judged piece by piece, Eddie is the one who was giving all pieces of information on the internet equal credibility as if they all came from the same source (same as with all pieces of information in a library).

The problem with Eddie is that he believes literally every single conspiracy theory out there, without question. I swear to god someone more creative than me could put something on youtube tomorrow and he would 100% eat it up, regardless of what it is, regardless of how ignorant he is of the background of the subject, etc. He talks about opening his mind, well you know what they say about opening your mind too much, your brain may fall out. Skepticism is good, and the only thing he seems to be skeptical about ever is the MSM and the government.

He believes in chemtrails, most great music bands are really set up by the government (presumably for mind control?), 911 as as inside job, he's an anti-vaxxer, alien conspiracies, etc. Hell I remember when he had Erik Paulson on his now defunct podcast and they were talking about which demons or archangels are from which dimensions and all kinds of **** crazy bullsh*t like that.

I'm also sick of the fallacies. Bryan doesn't believe pizzagate so Rogan says his claim is that no pedophile can ever achieve high ranking government positions. No, dummy, he just doesn't believe pizzagate, stop with the fallacies. And Eddie's whole thing where he claimed Bryan was praising nazis or whatever because Bryan said the nazi scientists were brilliant. These are very simple concepts that he should be bright enough to differentiate in his head. I've also heard Eddie denigrate science and scientists a ton. Mocking the scientific method and what constitutes a credible source, etc.

[cowboyronnie]

nm

[Bernman]

Before I respond to all these posts I'm getting bombarded with, this is why some are discouraged to step out of the group think, because there's inevitable backlash that comes with that action.

[REDDzone]

I've heard both Eddie and Rogan laugh at the oft-stated "correlation does not equal causation" line as something that science nerds just spew to act smart - as if there is no application or usefulness of the statement.

So frustrating.

[Bernman]

Bernman I don't have the time at this second to devote to your post that would do it justice given the amount of work you put into it, but I wanted to address this part: I hope you didn't get this from my post. The internet is the richest source of information on the planet and in human history. You are actually attacking Eddie's position here. We are saying the credibility should be judged piece by piece, Eddie is the one who was giving all pieces of information on the internet equal credibility as if they all came from the same source (same as with all pieces of information in a library).

The problem with Eddie is that he believes literally every single conspiracy theory out there, without question. I swear to god someone more creative than me could put something on youtube tomorrow and he would 100% eat it up, regardless of what it is, regardless of how ignorant he is of the background of the subject, etc. He talks about opening his mind, well you know what they say about opening your mind too much, your brain may fall out. Skepticism is good, and the only thing he seems to be skeptical about ever is the MSM and the government.

He believes in chemtrails, most great music bands are really set up by the government (presumably for mind control?), 911 as as inside job, he's an anti-vaxxer, alien conspiracies, etc. Hell I remember when he had Erik Paulson on his now defunct podcast and they were talking about which demons or archangels are from which dimensions and all kinds of **** crazy bullsh*t like that.

I'm also sick of the fallacies. Bryan doesn't believe pizzagate so Rogan says his claim is that no pedophile can ever achieve high ranking government positions. No, dummy, he just doesn't believe pizzagate, stop with the fallacies. And Eddie's whole thing where he claimed Bryan was praising nazis or whatever because Bryan said the nazi scientists were brilliant. These are very simple concepts that he should be bright enough to differentiate in his head. I've also heard Eddie denigrate science and scientists a ton. Mocking the scientific method and what constitutes a credible source, etc.

Well, I'm not a regular viewer of Bravo and the JRE, so I'm going to have to defer to your knowledge on the matter. My perspective on him came from about 2 videos where he actually showed he was more informed than those challenging him, his arguments were just poor. Maybe I was led to the other one for that reason because I was looking for people who shared the view. This one I just stumbled on because he was being mocked, but it's ironic to stem from these theories because they were derived on solid ground.

Yes, you're right you have to sift out the substantial and substantiated evidence from that which is not. So if he's come to the conclusion that all conspiracy theories are true, that's blatantly silly. I don't know why anyone would have that philosophy. But I do think that most conspiracy theories which gain serious traction are true, which is in part why they gained serious traction. Here is an article about how "conspiracy theorists" are quite often the voice of reason. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/thinking-man/11671617/Perhaps-the-worlds-conspiracy-theorists-have-been-right-all-along.html Like I said, making that a pejorative was a product of the CIA according to themselves.

I don't agree with most of the additional theories you listed he shares. But do think not believing 911 was an inside job, or at least facilitated by our so called allies and own gov't, is like not believing the world is over 6k years old because they were told that repeatedly by supposed authorities. The evidence is damning there (I could do a whole article the same length as my previous one on that), and on JFK (although he didn't mention that). It's crazy, you can see his face explode from the front, head rock back, a piece cut out of his face to cover it up, the CIA even confirmed they were covering it up, a hitman associated w/ LBJ named Mac Wallace's fingerprints were also found in the building depository, etc.; yet most are adamant skeptics about that. Mac Wallace was seriously connected, as evidenced by getting no time in prison for murder in cold blood and then a murder he was a suspect in was ruled a suicide even though the guy would have had to shot himself 5 times w/ a slow-loading shotgun. So many of the official stories just downright defy all logic and reason like this, i.e.: Gary Webb investigating Iran-Contra and supposedly killing himself w/ 2 to the head; that it's like who is being crazy. About aliens, the universe is vast, so I believe in them like most astronomers do for the same reason. Don't know about if they've landed on Earth or not.

[lilfishi22]

Do you have new information on Tower 7?