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Game 19: Washington Wizards (6-12) @ Brooklyn Nets (5-14) - 7:30 PM ET

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Re: Game 19: Washington Wizards (6-12) @ Brooklyn Nets (5-14) - 7:30 PM ET 

Post#101 » by JWizmentality » Tue Dec 6, 2016 4:07 am

Still think we need to trade Gortat. Give job to Ian when healthy and trade Gortat at deadline. Dude can't jump and is soft as Charmin. He got abused by the lousiest rebounding C in the league.
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Re: Game 19: Washington Wizards (6-12) @ Brooklyn Nets (5-14) - 7:30 PM ET 

Post#102 » by Meliorus » Tue Dec 6, 2016 4:10 am

JWizmentality wrote:Still think we need to trade Gortat. Give job to Ian when healthy and trade Gortat at deadline. Dude can't jump and is soft as Charmin. He got abused by the lousiest rebounding C in the league.


He's on a great contract too. Think we could get some good players with him.
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Re: Game 19: Washington Wizards (6-12) @ Brooklyn Nets (5-14) - 7:30 PM ET 

Post#103 » by closg00 » Tue Dec 6, 2016 4:31 am

Meliorus wrote:
JWizmentality wrote:Still think we need to trade Gortat. Give job to Ian when healthy and trade Gortat at deadline. Dude can't jump and is soft as Charmin. He got abused by the lousiest rebounding C in the league.


He's on a great contract too. Think we could get some good players with him.



Trading Gortat and /or our next lottery pick will probably be Ernie's face-saving "little move" for a "Jolt"
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Re: Game 19: Washington Wizards (6-12) @ Brooklyn Nets (5-14) - 7:30 PM ET 

Post#104 » by AFM » Tue Dec 6, 2016 4:33 am

Anybody else picture Indu as M Bison?
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Re: Game 19: Washington Wizards (6-12) @ Brooklyn Nets (5-14) - 7:30 PM ET 

Post#105 » by Induveca » Tue Dec 6, 2016 5:19 am

AFM wrote:Anybody else picture Indu as M Bison?

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Definitely had a similar face after a few beers/down 16
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Re: Game 19: Washington Wizards (6-12) @ Brooklyn Nets (5-14) - 7:30 PM ET 

Post#106 » by dangermouse » Tue Dec 6, 2016 8:25 am

That was a terribly officiated game. Both ways, I dont think it favoured either team. Just bad.

However, we won with defense which is what we should be trying to do every game. Every single quarter. If only we had a deeper bench so our guys could give that effort all the time.

I'm so disappointed in Nicholson. He just looks like a 6'9" snail out there, and doesnt use his size to his advantage. He has post moves but I havent seen them since summer league. He's too small to guard most centers and too slow to guard any PF. He's out $26 million Kevin Seraphin.

And Beal should be hitting those god damn free throws.

We don't need a coaching change. We need a bench and a team psychologist.
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Re: Game 19: Washington Wizards (6-12) @ Brooklyn Nets (5-14) - 7:30 PM ET 

Post#107 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Tue Dec 6, 2016 9:33 am

The Wizards beat the Nets.

In other news blind squirrels prefer squashed acorn nuts over acorn squash.

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Re: Game 19: Washington Wizards (6-12) @ Brooklyn Nets (5-14) - 7:30 PM ET 

Post#108 » by Dat2U » Tue Dec 6, 2016 9:34 am

closg00 wrote:
Meliorus wrote:
JWizmentality wrote:Still think we need to trade Gortat. Give job to Ian when healthy and trade Gortat at deadline. Dude can't jump and is soft as Charmin. He got abused by the lousiest rebounding C in the league.


He's on a great contract too. Think we could get some good players with him.



Trading Gortat and /or our next lottery pick will probably be Ernie's face-saving "little move" for a "Jolt"


This idea that somehow Gortat is the problem is downright silly. Out of 15 guys on the roster he's one of 4 that are legitimately playing above replacement level yet Gortat seems to get the blunt of the blame outside of Jason Suck.

I don't see anyone holding Markieff Morris accountable but he's been awful for the most part.

As far as an Ernie 'face saving' move, it's more likely he'll package a pick with medium protection again (top 9 or so) with a bad asset. He's been pretty consistent over the years in flipping picks to improve/upgrade a salary slot. NicholSuck has been unplayable. I think he's a likely candidate. Burke is another. Gortat right now is too important in the scheme of things to be dealt & right now Bad Knees Mahinmi is proving to be less reliable than an aging Nene.
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Re: Game 19: Washington Wizards (6-12) @ Brooklyn Nets (5-14) - 7:30 PM ET 

Post#109 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Tue Dec 6, 2016 10:48 am

the problem is not Gortat The problem is "Grun-tot" the man who assembled the bench from hell

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Re: Game 19: Washington Wizards (6-12) @ Brooklyn Nets (5-14) - 7:30 PM ET 

Post#110 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Tue Dec 6, 2016 10:48 am

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Re: Game 19: Washington Wizards (6-12) @ Brooklyn Nets (5-14) - 7:30 PM ET 

Post#111 » by krii » Tue Dec 6, 2016 11:04 am

Dat2U wrote:
closg00 wrote:
Meliorus wrote:
He's on a great contract too. Think we could get some good players with him.



Trading Gortat and /or our next lottery pick will probably be Ernie's face-saving "little move" for a "Jolt"


This idea that somehow Gortat is the problem is downright silly. Out of 15 guys on the roster he's one of 4 that are legitimately playing above replacement level yet Gortat seems to get the blunt of the blame outside of Jason Suck.

I don't see anyone holding Markieff Morris accountable but he's been awful for the most part.

As far as an Ernie 'face saving' move, it's more likely he'll package a pick with medium protection again (top 9 or so) with a bad asset. He's been pretty consistent over the years in flipping picks to improve/upgrade a salary slot. NicholSuck has been unplayable. I think he's a likely candidate. Burke is another. Gortat right now is too important in the scheme of things to be dealt & right now Bad Knees Mahinmi is proving to be less reliable than an aging Nene.

The most important thing is that there is NO ONE that could replace Gortat. Don't be silly with Mahinmi - if you want to play someone at center he needs to be fully healthy ALL the time. It's not NCAA where you can put a mountain in the pain and make it playable. Those guys in the league would use every single game that Ian surely will miss.

I think that I used this argument once. I remember Suns fans blaming Gortat for his play when they started to lose after Nash departure. When he was traded they thought they have a great replacement but it turned out to be a couple of years without any good center in the roster. It's not that easy to find someone who is playing at Gortat's level, trust me. Even with his shortcomings he is still very valuable player. Much more valuable than his trade value at the moment(!).
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Re: Game 19: Washington Wizards (6-12) @ Brooklyn Nets (5-14) - 7:30 PM ET 

Post#112 » by payitforward » Tue Dec 6, 2016 3:23 pm

JWizmentality wrote:Still think we need to trade Gortat. Give job to Ian when healthy and trade Gortat at deadline. Dude can't jump and is soft as Charmin. He got abused by the lousiest rebounding C in the league.

Sometimes I wonder what game people watched.... Marcin got 12 boards in 33 minutes. Lopez got 6 boards in 31 minutes. Yes, he got 4 offensive rebounds, but Gortat also got 3.

All the same, it's true that last night Lopez outplayed Gortat. Then again, Sean Kilpatrick outplayed Brad Beal too. So what?

Nice to get a win on the road. And nice as well to get strong contributions from Burke & Thornton.

Always great to see Trevor Booker. Letting him walk for nothing (while keeping Seraphin at the same time) is on the list of Ernie's most stupid moves.
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Re: Game 19: Washington Wizards (6-12) @ Brooklyn Nets (5-14) - 7:30 PM ET 

Post#113 » by Dark Faze » Tue Dec 6, 2016 3:34 pm

I'm not giving Ian anything--he can't be relied on at all.
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Re: Game 19: Washington Wizards (6-12) @ Brooklyn Nets (5-14) - 7:30 PM ET 

Post#114 » by nate33 » Tue Dec 6, 2016 3:42 pm

payitforward wrote:
JWizmentality wrote:Still think we need to trade Gortat. Give job to Ian when healthy and trade Gortat at deadline. Dude can't jump and is soft as Charmin. He got abused by the lousiest rebounding C in the league.

Sometimes I wonder what game people watched.... Marcin got 12 boards in 33 minutes. Lopez got 6 boards in 31 minutes. Yes, he got 4 offensive rebounds, but Gortat also got 3.

All the same, it's true that last night Lopez outplayed Gortat. Then again, Sean Kilpatrick outplayed Brad Beal too. So what?

Nice to get a win on the road. And nice as well to get strong contributions from Burke & Thornton.

Always great to see Trevor Booker. Letting him walk for nothing (while keeping Seraphin at the same time) is on the list of Ernie's most stupid moves.

Agreed. Gortat looked pretty good to me. Lopez is one of the most skilled offensive bigs in the game. Brooks' decision to allow Lopez to back down Gortat for 5 seconds with no guards digging down to disrupt Lopez made no sense to me. Lopez is going to score on any center in the league if given that kind of time. I thought Gortat did just fine defensively under the circumstances.
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Re: Game 19: Washington Wizards (6-12) @ Brooklyn Nets (5-14) - 7:30 PM ET 

Post#115 » by Dark Faze » Tue Dec 6, 2016 4:02 pm

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Re: Game 19: Washington Wizards (6-12) @ Brooklyn Nets (5-14) - 7:30 PM ET 

Post#116 » by dobrojim » Tue Dec 6, 2016 5:04 pm

Dat2U wrote:
closg00 wrote:
Meliorus wrote:
He's on a great contract too. Think we could get some good players with him.



Trading Gortat and /or our next lottery pick will probably be Ernie's face-saving "little move" for a "Jolt"


This idea that somehow Gortat is the problem is downright silly. Out of 15 guys on the roster he's one of 4 that are legitimately playing above replacement level yet Gortat seems to get the blunt of the blame outside of Jason Suck.

I don't see anyone holding Markieff Morris accountable but he's been awful for the most part.

As far as an Ernie 'face saving' move, it's more likely he'll package a pick with medium protection again (top 9 or so) with a bad asset. He's been pretty consistent over the years in flipping picks to improve/upgrade a salary slot. NicholSuck has been unplayable. I think he's a likely candidate. Burke is another. Gortat right now is too important in the scheme of things to be dealt & right now Bad Knees Mahinmi is proving to be less reliable than an aging Nene.


Gotta agree with Dat, on the money, as he usually is. Gortat ain't the problem. Guy is
among the league leaders in rebounding /gm (not advanced metric, so sue me) and
FG%. His contract is good. He has very good chemistry with Wall. Is he perfect? No,
he plays kinda small and finesse(y) but he's pretty effective nonetheless.
Call me crazy but Smith actually defended Lopez pretty well but I thought
Lopez was getting a lot of favorable treatment all game from zebras.
The 6th foul on OP being a prime example of that.

Our narrow margin against a lousy team was partly due to getting effective
time from 2 of our worst players, Smith and Burke. Not looking for that to
become a trend.

Our D sucked especially in the 1st half (duh). Wall made a key play with the
highly dubious method of reaching around behind a guy after getting beaten.
That said, Wall's midrange game seems to me to be more reliable than in years
past. I trust Wall >>> Beal from the stripe with the game on the line, but Beal's
a better 3 pt shooter (Capt Obvious).
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Re: Game 19: Washington Wizards (6-12) @ Brooklyn Nets (5-14) - 7:30 PM ET 

Post#117 » by Meliorus » Tue Dec 6, 2016 7:13 pm

The whole purpose of trading Gortat is the fact that he's 32 and getting older and he has trade value as a great contract. Having a rim protector who can catch lobs could do wonders for this team.
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Re: Game 19: Washington Wizards (6-12) @ Brooklyn Nets (5-14) - 7:30 PM ET 

Post#118 » by dobrojim » Tue Dec 6, 2016 8:27 pm

I thought Morris was a guy who could catch lobs. Actually he is. And look how far that has gotten us.
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Re: Game 19: Washington Wizards (6-12) @ Brooklyn Nets (5-14) - 7:30 PM ET 

Post#119 » by queridiculo » Tue Dec 6, 2016 10:46 pm

I still think that assuming Mahinmi won't need to have his non-surgically repaired leg amputated, Gortat can probably help this team a whole lot coming off the bench as a supersub.

Starting Mahinmi might get Porter involved in the offense and could help balance the bench out the bench production by having Gortat provide a bit of presence to the second unit.

There's probably no short term fix for our backup backcourt, but there's a chance Satoransky could get back on track with a reliable partner in the pick and roll.

Mahinmi might not turn out to be the answer for the Wizards woes, but he could certainly provide the team with a bit more flexibility. Heck, minimizing the amount of damage Smith can do out there in by itself is going to help this team.

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