Knicks not ruling out DRose extension later in the season

[NYKMentality85]

umm, glad you know how to google someone and look at stats.

Yeah it took like 2 seconds to look up a stat on an average NBA player

if patty mills is average then what's derrick rose?

mills:

8th in the league in offensive rpm
70th in the league in defensive rpm
9th in the league in rpm
11th in the league in wins

rose:

25th in the league in offensive rpm
78th in the league in defensive rpm
60th in the league in rpm
43rd in the league in wins

How many years has Patty been with the same San Antonio sysyem?

How many games has Rose been with New York in a completely different system?

Anyone who possess insight into the game of basketball not only knows but also understands that these two completely different (player) situations impact overall "statistics".

[blueNorange]

Yeah it took like 2 seconds to look up a stat on an average NBA player

if patty mills is average then what's derrick rose?

mills:

8th in the league in offensive rpm
70th in the league in defensive rpm
9th in the league in rpm
11th in the league in wins

rose:

25th in the league in offensive rpm
78th in the league in defensive rpm
60th in the league in rpm
43rd in the league in wins

umm, glad you know how to google someone and look at stats.

-blueNorange

advanced stats are much better than looking at someone's career profile.

[F N 11]

Rose is not a PG we need a pure PG

We need Ricky Rubio

ricky is under contract.

patty mills is a better point guard than derrick rose.

So are you saying that Patty Mills is a better point guard than, Westbrook, irving, kemba, curry, isaiah, wall, hill, and bledsoe? Since none of those are PG's according to you?

Look how easy it is to defend Rubio. You guys kill me. With Rose and Melo in lineup KP's averages has went way up mainly because of the attention those two get. Give me a break.

[blueNorange]

i'm done with this thread, it's just sad that the state of the knicks is so bad that you'd want derrick rose running the point for the next few years. i always thought james dolan was the problem, but no he's not ... the fans are the problem, the fans don't know what they're watching and would go nuts for anything.

james dolan sees this and plays you all time after time after time again. knicks mortgage their future for antonio mcdyess, go crazy knick fans. knicks mortgage their future for stephon marbury, go crazy knick fans, knicks mortgage their future for jamal crawful, go crazy knick fans, knicks mortgage their future for eddy curry, go crazy knick fans, knicks mortgage their future for carmelo anthony, go crazy knick fans*, knicks traded for derrick rose and will mortgage their future by re-signing him ... go crazy knick fans.

i'm starting to respect james dolan's hustle .. he knows that no matter what he does, he has you all in the palm of his hands.

*carmelo shouldn't be lumped in with those guys, as he's actually good.

[HEZI]

if patty mills is average then what's derrick rose?

mills:

8th in the league in offensive rpm
70th in the league in defensive rpm
9th in the league in rpm
11th in the league in wins

rose:

25th in the league in offensive rpm
78th in the league in defensive rpm
60th in the league in rpm
43rd in the league in wins

Games started 4


Career games started in 8 years 14

so a bench player is better than derrick rose?

yeah i gotta admit, that is funny. mostly sad though, but funny nonetheless on derrick rose's part. man, a bench player is more productive than you.

34 year old Tony Parker currently has just as many games started this season as Patty Mills has in his entire career

You need to go tell Popovich that Mills is a star and give him those RPM numbers

[blueNorange]

ricky is under contract.

patty mills is a better point guard than derrick rose.

So are you saying that Patty Mills is a better point guard than, Westbrook, irving, kemba, curry, isaiah, wall, hill, and bledsoe? Since none of those are PG's according to you?

Look how easy it is to defend Rubio. You guys kill me. With Rose and Melo in lineup KP's averages has went way up mainly because of the attention those two get. Give me a break.

you flip flop more than pancakes at an ihop man, stop trying to be the voice of reason because we all damn well know that if the knicks are down by 10 tonight this will be your post.

"dammmmn lol this team isn't good. time to tank"

[islanders11040]

ricky is under contract.

patty mills is a better point guard than derrick rose.

So are you saying that Patty Mills is a better point guard than, Westbrook, irving, kemba, curry, isaiah, wall, hill, and bledsoe? Since none of those are PG's according to you?

westbrook no
irving no
kemba yes
curry no
isiah? flip a coin
wall? yes
hill? hill is a shooting guard, why do people keep mentioning him as a pg?
bledsoe? definitely yes

this is the summary of our interaction:

Patty mills is a better point guard than Kemba walker, John Wall, George Hill, Eric Bledsoe, and possibly Isaiah Thomas.

It doesn't sound wrong to you written like that?

[blueNorange]

So are you saying that Patty Mills is a better point guard than, Westbrook, irving, kemba, curry, isaiah, wall, hill, and bledsoe? Since none of those are PG's according to you?

westbrook no
irving no
kemba yes
curry no
isiah? flip a coin
wall? yes
hill? hill is a shooting guard, why do people keep mentioning him as a pg?
bledsoe? definitely yes

this is the summary of our interaction:

Patty mills is a better point guard than Kemba walker, John Wall, George Hill, Eric Bledsoe, and possibly Isaiah Thomas.

It doesn't sound wrong to you written like that?

not if you know what a point guard is

The point guard (PG), also called the one or point, is one of the five positions in a regulation basketball game. A point guard has perhaps the most specialized role of any position. They are expected to run the team's offense by controlling the ball and making sure that it gets to the right players at the right time. Above all, the point guard must totally understand and accept their coach's game plan; in this way, the position can be compared to a quarterback in American football or a playmaker in association football (soccer).

A point guard, like other player positions in basketball, specializes in certain skills. A point guard's primary job is to facilitate scoring opportunities for his/her team, or sometimes for themselves. Lee Rose has described a point guard as a coach on the floor, who can handle and distribute the ball to teammates. This involves setting up plays on the court, getting the ball to the teammate in the best position to score, and controlling the tempo of the game. A point guard should know when and how to instigate a fast break and when and how to initiate the more deliberate sets. Point guards are expected to be vocal floor leaders. A point guard needs always to have in mind the times on the shot clock and the game clock, the score, the numbers of remaining timeouts for both teams, etc.

[3toheadmelo]

chill bro.. u gotta be smoking some top notch reefer to say mills is better than wall. i would GLADLY take wall as my starting point guard

[islanders11040]

westbrook no
irving no
kemba yes
curry no
isiah? flip a coin
wall? yes
hill? hill is a shooting guard, why do people keep mentioning him as a pg?
bledsoe? definitely yes

this is the summary of our interaction:

Patty mills is a better point guard than Kemba walker, John Wall, George Hill, Eric Bledsoe, and possibly Isaiah Thomas.

It doesn't sound wrong to you written like that?

not if you know what a point guard is

The point guard (PG), also called the one or point, is one of the five positions in a regulation basketball game. A point guard has perhaps the most specialized role of any position. They are expected to run the team's offense by controlling the ball and making sure that it gets to the right players at the right time. Above all, the point guard must totally understand and accept their coach's game plan; in this way, the position can be compared to a quarterback in American football or a playmaker in association football (soccer).

A point guard, like other player positions in basketball, specializes in certain skills. A point guard's primary job is to facilitate scoring opportunities for his/her team, or sometimes for themselves. Lee Rose has described a point guard as a coach on the floor, who can handle and distribute the ball to teammates. This involves setting up plays on the court, getting the ball to the teammate in the best position to score, and controlling the tempo of the game. A point guard should know when and how to instigate a fast break and when and how to initiate the more deliberate sets. Point guards are expected to be vocal floor leaders. A point guard needs always to have in mind the times on the shot clock and the game clock, the score, the numbers of remaining timeouts for both teams, etc.

But you said Irving is a better point guard than Mills when he may be the number one "non pg" according to the criteria. Which is it?

[Deeeez Knicks]

You don’t need a pure pg, but it’s a very valid question if this Knicks team needs one. Teams with with non-pure pgs that win generally have really great secondary facilitators and ball movement. We don’t have a Lebron, Iggy, Draymond, etc and at times our offense does go flat. Plus they are not all the same. Current Rose is not on the same level as some of the good ones mentioned like Kyrie, Westbrook, Curry, etc...and not even just in terms of scoring, but also in terms of facilitating.

Still, Rose’s penetration, aggressiveness and scoring do help. At times his over dribbling and shoot first mentality do stagnant the offense and hurt as well. No doubt he has been getting better and better and adjusting his game. Guess we will see where we’re at the end of the season.

Personally, I have not seen enough where I definitely want to lock him up long term on a big deal.

[JohnStarksTheDunk]

What I meant was, DRose scoring points does NOT mean he's not a good point guard.

This seems to be the fundamental miscommunication in this thread. No one is really saying that his ability to score is what prevents him from being a point guard.

A lot of folks feel that he's not a point guard because he lacks court vision, isn't a particularly good floor manager, and frequently fails to locate or pass to the open man. He's been doing better lately with the drive and dish, but he's still more of a two-guard or combo guard in a point guard's body.

[NYKMentality85]

i'm done with this thread, it's just sad that the state of the knicks is so bad that you'd want derrick rose running the point for the next few years. i always thought james dolan was the problem, but no he's not ... the fans are the problem, the fans don't know what they're watching and would go nuts for anything.

james dolan sees this and plays you all time after time after time again. knicks mortgage their future for antonio mcdyess, go crazy knick fans. knicks mortgage their future for stephon marbury, go crazy knick fans, knicks mortgage their future for jamal crawful, go crazy knick fans, knicks mortgage their future for eddy curry, go crazy knick fans, knicks mortgage their future for carmelo anthony, go crazy knick fans*, knicks traded for derrick rose and will mortgage their future by re-signing him ... go crazy knick fans.

i'm starting to respect james dolan's hustle .. he knows that no matter what he does, he has you all in the palm of his hands.

*carmelo shouldn't be lumped in with those guys, as he's actually good.

When healthy (as Rose currently is) you can not compare the likes of Crawford (0x All-Star), Curry (0x All-Star), McDyess (1x All-Star) and/or Marbury (2x All-Star) to that of Derrick Rose; a 3x All-Star and former league MVP.

Rose is currently 28 years of age. He may have an injured past but he's went from 51 games played (2014-2015) to 66 games played last year (2015-2016). He's also played all 20 games while averaging 32.3 minutes per game here in 2016-2017 and hasn't suffered an injury dating back to 2013-2014 (3 years ago).

Some players are worth taking a gamble on. After witnessing Rose re-gain his burst, athleticism and explosion he's the type of player who i'd take a risk on especially if his previous 10 games are a sign of things to come (moving forward).

I personally feel it'll be even more risky to sign a 32 year old CP3 (come the offseason) when compared to Rose who just recently turned 28.

[K_ick_God]

umm, glad you know how to google someone and look at stats.

Yeah it took like 2 seconds to look up a stat on an average NBA player

if patty mills is average then what's derrick rose?

mills:

8th in the league in offensive rpm
70th in the league in defensive rpm
9th in the league in rpm
11th in the league in wins

rose:

25th in the league in offensive rpm
78th in the league in defensive rpm
60th in the league in rpm
43rd in the league in wins

Why not expand your analysis and show, over time, an historical analysis proving that "pure point guards" win a lot more games? Start with Rubio and Dragic? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

All kidding aside, you are a big proponent of advanced stats but if, in this case, your advanced stats don't show a strong connection to team wins, then what's their value?

Someone can have a great win share but his team only wins rarely. Would you rather have 50% of a tiny little pie or 20% of a much bigger pie? Because it seems to me that a guy like Rubio has never done anything but sit at a table where very little pies are being served.

[Meat]

what would jrue cost, drafting Aaron in the 1srt round?

[god shammgod]

You don’t need a pure pg, but it’s a very valid question if this Knicks team needs one. Teams with with non-pure pgs that win generally have really great secondary facilitators and ball movement. We don’t have a Lebron, Iggy, Draymond, etc and at times our offense does go flat. Plus they are not all the same. Current Rose is not on the same level as some of the good ones mentioned like Kyrie, Westbrook, Curry, etc...and not even just in terms of scoring, but also in terms of facilitating.

Still, Rose’s penetration, aggressiveness and scoring do help. At times his over dribbling and shoot first mentality do stagnant the offense and hurt as well. No doubt he has been getting better and better and adjusting his game. Guess we will see where we’re at the end of the season.

Personally, I have not seen enough where I definitely want to lock him up long term on a big deal.

i think phil assumed noah would be doing some of that. we haven't really seen it though.

[blueNorange]

You don’t need a pure pg, but it’s a very valid question if this Knicks team needs one. Teams with with non-pure pgs that win generally have really great secondary facilitators and ball movement. We don’t have a Lebron, Iggy, Draymond, etc and at times our offense does go flat. Plus they are not all the same. Current Rose is not on the same level as some of the good ones mentioned like Kyrie, Westbrook, Curry, etc...and not even just in terms of scoring, but also in terms of facilitating.

Still, Rose’s penetration, aggressiveness and scoring do help. At times his over dribbling and shoot first mentality do stagnant the offense and hurt as well. No doubt he has been getting better and better and adjusting his game. Guess we will see where we’re at the end of the season.

Personally, I have not seen enough where I definitely want to lock him up long term on a big deal.

i think phil assumed noah would be doing some of that. we haven't really seen it though.

you're not supposed to bring up other facilitators rose plays with to hide his weakness, i mean have you seen his usage rating?

[Dantares]

We have to sign an all-star caliber player if we want to take that next step. We aren't winning a championship this year and if we make it to the second round next year melo will be turning 34 years old, he is going to decline. Melo and Porzingis primes are just barely going to miss each other.

I don't mind Rose as a third option but that role is reserved for Melo. Melo-Porzingis-Rose is not good enough to win a championship, Im sorry its the truth. we need to spend our free agent money on an all-star to pair with KP and not Derrick Rose. If we can't get that all-star at the trade deadline or free agency then yeah ok we can re-sign rose but its gotta be a short deal.

[Deeeez Knicks]

You don’t need a pure pg, but it’s a very valid question if this Knicks team needs one. Teams with with non-pure pgs that win generally have really great secondary facilitators and ball movement. We don’t have a Lebron, Iggy, Draymond, etc and at times our offense does go flat. Plus they are not all the same. Current Rose is not on the same level as some of the good ones mentioned like Kyrie, Westbrook, Curry, etc...and not even just in terms of scoring, but also in terms of facilitating.

Still, Rose’s penetration, aggressiveness and scoring do help. At times his over dribbling and shoot first mentality do stagnant the offense and hurt as well. No doubt he has been getting better and better and adjusting his game. Guess we will see where we’re at the end of the season.

Personally, I have not seen enough where I definitely want to lock him up long term on a big deal.

i think phil assumed noah would be doing some of that. we haven't really seen it though.

Prime Noah would have been a great fit on this team. Unfortunately he hasn’t looked the same.

[CJackson]

You don’t need a pure pg, but it’s a very valid question if this Knicks team needs one. Teams with with non-pure pgs that win generally have really great secondary facilitators and ball movement. We don’t have a Lebron, Iggy, Draymond, etc and at times our offense does go flat. Plus they are not all the same. Current Rose is not on the same level as some of the good ones mentioned like Kyrie, Westbrook, Curry, etc...and not even just in terms of scoring, but also in terms of facilitating.

Still, Rose’s penetration, aggressiveness and scoring do help. At times his over dribbling and shoot first mentality do stagnant the offense and hurt as well. No doubt he has been getting better and better and adjusting his game. Guess we will see where we’re at the end of the season.

Personally, I have not seen enough where I definitely want to lock him up long term on a big deal.

That's everything that needs to be said for now