Rockets match Nets offer for Donuts (Updte Pg 17: Offer Pulled, DMo UFA)

Post #81 » by **bondom34** » Tue Dec 6, 2016 6:16 pm

Whole thing is weird.

BallerTalk · Post #82 » by **BallerTalk** » Tue Dec 6, 2016 6:20 pm

K_chile22 wrote:BJ Armstrong is a clown. "we are fighting for our rights"
There are no rights to fight for. The terms of his last contract are set in stone and decided by a bargaining agreement. Houston is the party with the rights. You can see BJ never went to law school

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BJ has been getting battered about his handling of D-Mo's free agency and I have to wonder how much a role (if any) that plays here.

Post #83 » by **FNQ** » Tue Dec 6, 2016 6:20 pm

bondom34 wrote:

Read on Twitter

Whole thing is weird.

Well I know the whole not being able to re-sign w/BKN after the fact is to prevent collusion (for example, Marks telling DMo not to report so that queers the deal)..

Anyways this is interesting as hell. I'd love to see an official statement from DMo or Armstrong as to what they are trying to accomplish here. Would also love to know if Morey contacted DMo/Armstrong before matching.. seems a bit reckless not to do so

MotownMadness · Post #84 » by **MotownMadness** » Tue Dec 6, 2016 6:24 pm

My thing is did Morey even make certain DMO wanted back? I mean you would think he would have had a conversation with him at least after everything.

EleveN · Post #85 » by **EleveN** » Tue Dec 6, 2016 6:29 pm

I wonder if DMo really didnt want to play in Houston then why the hell he didnt express this to Morey before mathcing? I am quite sure it would be pointless for Houston to match a player who doesnt want to play for them and who you also cant trade without his consent.

Post #86 » by **bondom34** » Tue Dec 6, 2016 6:29 pm

FNQ wrote:
bondom34 wrote:

Read on Twitter

Whole thing is weird.

Well I know the whole not being able to re-sign w/BKN after the fact is to prevent collusion (for example, Marks telling DMo not to report so that queers the deal)..

Anyways this is interesting as hell. I'd love to see an official statement from DMo or Armstrong as to what they are trying to accomplish here. Would also love to know if Morey contacted DMo/Armstrong before matching.. seems a bit reckless not to do so

Read on Twitter

Post #87 » by **FNQ** » Tue Dec 6, 2016 6:30 pm

bondom34 wrote:
FNQ wrote:
bondom34 wrote:

Read on Twitter

Whole thing is weird.

Well I know the whole not being able to re-sign w/BKN after the fact is to prevent collusion (for example, Marks telling DMo not to report so that queers the deal)..

Anyways this is interesting as hell. I'd love to see an official statement from DMo or Armstrong as to what they are trying to accomplish here. Would also love to know if Morey contacted DMo/Armstrong before matching.. seems a bit reckless not to do so

Read on Twitter

Well, then.

Popcorn is ready, bring on the fireworks

Rapcity_11 · Post #88 » by **Rapcity_11** » Tue Dec 6, 2016 6:31 pm

EleveN wrote:I wonder if DMo really didnt want to play in Houston then why the hell he didnt express this to Morey before mathcing? I am quite sure it would be pointless for Houston to match a player who doesnt want to play for them and who you also cant trade without his consent.

A player can be an asset while not wanting to be there. Like Markieff Morris last year.

K_chile22 · Post #89 » by **K_chile22** » Tue Dec 6, 2016 6:32 pm

FNQ wrote:
bondom34 wrote:
FNQ wrote:Well I know the whole not being able to re-sign w/BKN after the fact is to prevent collusion (for example, Marks telling DMo not to report so that queers the deal)..

Anyways this is interesting as hell. I'd love to see an official statement from DMo or Armstrong as to what they are trying to accomplish here. Would also love to know if Morey contacted DMo/Armstrong before matching.. seems a bit reckless not to do so

Read on Twitter

Well, then.

Popcorn is ready, bring on the fireworks

What does the tweet say? I'm trapped away from a computer and on mobile

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Post #90 » by **FNQ** » Tue Dec 6, 2016 6:32 pm

K_chile22 wrote:
FNQ wrote:
bondom34 wrote:

Read on Twitter

Well, then.

Popcorn is ready, bring on the fireworks

What does the tweet say? I'm trapped away from a computer and on mobile

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Motiejunas' agent, B.J. Armstrong: "We have our rights. We're not going to show up. We'll see what happens. We'll see what the Rockets do."

Post #91 » by **FNQ** » Tue Dec 6, 2016 6:33 pm

Rapcity_11 wrote:
EleveN wrote:I wonder if DMo really didnt want to play in Houston then why the hell he didnt express this to Morey before mathcing? I am quite sure it would be pointless for Houston to match a player who doesnt want to play for them and who you also cant trade without his consent.

A player can be an asset while not wanting to be there. Like Markieff Morris last year.

Morris was a much better player/asset. That DMo is a fringe rotation type makes this a lot murkier

MotownMadness · Post #92 » by **MotownMadness** » Tue Dec 6, 2016 6:33 pm

DMOs agent sounds like a real fun guy to do business with lol

K_chile22 · Post #93 » by **K_chile22** » Tue Dec 6, 2016 6:35 pm

MotownMadness wrote:DMOs agent sounds like a real fun guy to do business with lol

He also sounds like someone who hasn't read the CBA and understand they don't actually have that right. They have the right to leave the NBA and that's about it unless Houston lets him off the hook

Rapcity_11 · Post #94 » by **Rapcity_11** » Tue Dec 6, 2016 6:35 pm

FNQ wrote:
Rapcity_11 wrote:
EleveN wrote:I wonder if DMo really didnt want to play in Houston then why the hell he didnt express this to Morey before mathcing? I am quite sure it would be pointless for Houston to match a player who doesnt want to play for them and who you also cant trade without his consent.

A player can be an asset while not wanting to be there. Like Markieff Morris last year.

Morris was a much better player/asset. That DMo is a fringe rotation type makes this a lot murkier

But also a massive head-case. Plus, DMo doesn't have to have a first round pick value to have some value.

MaxRider · Post #95 » by **MaxRider** » Tue Dec 6, 2016 6:35 pm

Rapcity_11 wrote:
EleveN wrote:I wonder if DMo really didnt want to play in Houston then why the hell he didnt express this to Morey before mathcing? I am quite sure it would be pointless for Houston to match a player who doesnt want to play for them and who you also cant trade without his consent.

A player can be an asset while not wanting to be there. Like Markieff Morris last year.

i'm sure he wants to play for Houston or else why have his agent talk to Morey for new contract (they can't agreed on the amount)
i think right now is his agent playing game

islanders11040 · Post #96 » by **islanders11040** » Tue Dec 6, 2016 6:37 pm

paulbball wrote:
BBall Loyalty wrote:
Slava wrote:Sean Marks helped Morey get a better deal than Morey could negotiate himself. Brooklyn's front office is amateur and D-Mo is a dummy for signing that offer sheet after holding out for so long instead of playing on the QO.

D-Mo misplayed it and was banking on the Rockets sucking without him and being desperate to sign him. Once he saw that we were fine without him he had to give in. No team wanted him or else they could have had him. The threat of Morey matching also discouraged suitors during free agency. Morey played this perfectly.

Pretty simple tbh.

What he should have done:
Sign QO for $4.4 million.
If healthy, become UFA next year, get big $$$ contract.
If not healthy, gets $4.4m total

What happened:
Let QO expire. Signed Nets deal 35m/4 year or 8.75m/year or so, read on. This deal is really bad.
If healthy, locked into a bargain basement deal for less than 9m per year for 4 years.
If not healthy, Rockets can actually cut him by January 10, 2017. He only gets 5m for 2016-2017. Rockets can even decide to keep him in January, then elect to not pickup his second year by March 1, 2017. So Rockets can keep him on the roster until March for $8.5m this year.

And his last two years are fully unguaranteed (with decision dates of July 7, 2017 and July 7, 2018).

What did his gamble get him? Probably approximately 4m in guaranteed money, but lost an opportunity to get the real big bucks in FA. Motiejunas needs to fire his agent.

This deal is a disaster: http://sports.yahoo.com/news/sources-houston-matches-nets-offer-sheet-for-donatas-motiejunas-221704984.html

Why did the Nets make it so team friendly if they wanted to steal him?

lilswift01 · Post #97 » by **lilswift01** » Tue Dec 6, 2016 6:41 pm

The man does not want to be in Houston. Just let him go.

Post #98 » by **FNQ** » Tue Dec 6, 2016 6:43 pm

Rapcity_11 wrote:
FNQ wrote:
Rapcity_11 wrote:
A player can be an asset while not wanting to be there. Like Markieff Morris last year.

Morris was a much better player/asset. That DMo is a fringe rotation type makes this a lot murkier

But also a massive head-case. Plus, DMo doesn't have to have a first round pick value to have some value.

I think teams were willing to forgive Morris more because the Suns broke a promise and locked him into a friendlier deal because of it. And the risk of Morris' temperament is offset his relative harmless salary (i mean, he makes less than DMo even!). So i dont think there's any + value to be had here with DMo. You have a guy who's an injury risk signed to a 4 year deal and he's a fringe rotation guy. All that adds up to a salary dump, not dealing a malcontent for + value.

K_chile22 · Post #99 » by **K_chile22** » Tue Dec 6, 2016 6:44 pm

I would not agree that Dmo is a fringe rotation guy

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Papi_swav · Post #100 » by **Papi_swav** » Tue Dec 6, 2016 6:47 pm

MaxRider wrote:
Rapcity_11 wrote:
EleveN wrote:I wonder if DMo really didnt want to play in Houston then why the hell he didnt express this to Morey before mathcing? I am quite sure it would be pointless for Houston to match a player who doesnt want to play for them and who you also cant trade without his consent.

A player can be an asset while not wanting to be there. Like Markieff Morris last year.

i'm sure he wants to play for Houston or else why have his agent talk to Morey for new contract (they can't agreed on the amount)
i think right now is his agent playing game

I mean it's pretty clear he doesn't want to play in Houston