Knicks not ruling out DRose extension later in the season

[blueNorange]

you.seem.to.know.a lot.about.an.era.of.basketball.which.you.never.even.watched.

oh so defenses weren't hard nosed before the hand check rule?

Yeah they were but teams were very careful about trying to bully the Knicks. Nobody wanted to start anything with the Knicks because the Knicks were the bullies. Rose would be just fine if he had Oakley and Mase right behind him

[JohnStarksTheDunk]

Unfortunately some of the greatest pure PG's (known as facilitators) in John Stockton, Steve Nash, Mark Jackson, Mark Price (severely underrated) and CP3 have never led their teams to a championship. Although they've racked up a lot of assists. Heck, even Jason Kidd ended up with only 1 ring.

I think the greater point is that very few teams have ever won a title without a strong facilitator. It didn't matter that the Bulls had BJ Armstrong, and then Harper, at point guard, because they also had two superior playmakers in MJ and Pippen. Cavs and Heat had LeBron.

The Knicks have Melo and KP, who are both above average passers, but neither are really capable of playing the facilitator role. Noah has looked ok at times, but isn't his usual self and may never be again. In light of this, a combo guard at the point guard position is probably not the best fit for this team.

I disagree but some would even say that Magic Johnson wasn't a "pure PG" but rather a Point/Forward.

Pippen, and now LeBron, are the quintessential point forwards. They are guys who can manage the floor and run an offense from the forward position. Magic was obviously big and strong enough to play forward, but he spent much of his career (after the Lakers traded Norm Nixon for Byron Scott) at the point guard position as the primary ball-handler in the backcourt.

[NYKMentality85]

no they wouldn't, they would hate rose for not playing within the offense and not playing any defense.

Maybe you fotgot the years N.Y lacked a true 3rd scoring option alongside of Starks and Ewing? Because i haven't.

N.Y had more than enough tough defenders with the likes of Starks, Mason, Oakley & Ewing. What we had was at times a very frustrating offense due to a lack of a true 3rd scoring option alongside of both Starks & Ewing. Derrick Rose would've been accepted (and loved) with open arms.

scoring aside, derrick rose does nothing that benefits THE TEAM.

There you have it folks. Dude now has the audacity to state Rose (outside of scoring) does "nothing to help the team".

•Rose ranks 2nd on the team in assists.
°Rose ranks 2nd on the team in assist %.
▪Rose ranks 3rd on the team in minutes played.
◇Rose ranks 3rd on the team in FT's attempts.
♧Rose ranks 4th in Player Efficiency Rating.
♡Rose ranks 4th on the team in win-share.
♤Rose leads all N.Y guards in rebounds.
☆Not to mention Rose is 3rd on our team in scoring & leads all N.Y guards in FG%.

But yea. Right. Outside of scoring Rose "does nothing to help the team".

[F N 11]

So are you saying that Patty Mills is a better point guard than, Westbrook, irving, kemba, curry, isaiah, wall, hill, and bledsoe? Since none of those are PG's according to you?

Look how easy it is to defend Rubio. You guys kill me. With Rose and Melo in lineup KP's averages has went way up mainly because of the attention those two get. Give me a break.

you flip flop more than pancakes at an ihop man, stop trying to be the voice of reason because we all damn well know that if the knicks are down by 10 tonight this will be your post.

"dammmmn lol this team isn't good. time to tank"

LMAO, funny man. when have I ever said time to tank clown. I dear you to find it. Idk why im even responding to your trolling behind.

[blueNorange]

Maybe you fotgot the years N.Y lacked a true 3rd scoring option alongside of Starks and Ewing? Because i haven't.

N.Y had more than enough tough defenders with the likes of Starks, Mason, Oakley & Ewing. What we had was at times a very frustrating offense due to a lack of a true 3rd scoring option alongside of both Starks & Ewing. Derrick Rose would've been accepted (and loved) with open arms.

scoring aside, derrick rose does nothing that benefits THE TEAM.

There you have it folks. Dude now has the audacity to state Rose (outside of scoring) does "nothing to help the team".

•Rose ranks 2nd on the team in assists.
°Rose ranks 2nd on the team in assist %.
▪Rose ranks 3rd on the team in minutes played.
◇Rose ranks 3rd on the team in FT's attempts.
♧Rose ranks 4th in Player Efficiency Rating.
♡Rose ranks 4th on the team in win-share.
♤Rose leads all N.Y guards in rebounds.
☆Not to mention Rose is 3rd on our team in scoring & leads all N.Y guards in FG%.

But yea. Right. Outside of scoring Rose "does nothing to help the team".

[JohnStarksTheDunk]

However in my opinion, Rose can be the PG we need. Right now he's only lacking in the passing department. His mid range game is good, he can get to the basket whenever he wants, he defense has improved, he's vocal and so on. Once he learn how to kick it back once he drives and keep his head up, he will be fine. Luckily we have one of the best .. horny teaching him.

The issue for me is that the bold is what we need most from a point guard.

I'm cool to wait and see though, and if he comes around I'd feel better about extending him.

[HEZI]

oh so defenses weren't hard nosed before the hand check rule?

Yeah they were but teams were very careful about trying to bully the Knicks. Nobody wanted to start anything with the Knicks because the Knicks were the bullies. Rose would be just fine if he had Oakley and Mase right behind him

You act like dudes in the 90's were made out of steel

Muggsy Bogues lasted 15 years in that era and did just fine

[JohnStarksTheDunk]

There's two things to hope for as a knick fan in regards to rose.

1, hope some star level talent demands a trade and rose with his solid play and expiring contract entices a team to make him a center piece in such a trade.

2, hope he agrees to the 3 year 75 million extension if he's still on the roster after the trade deadline.

Because knicks not letting him walk for nothing, down grading, and rose isn't going to sign some team friendly deal. 5 years 175 million is his max and he's going to be "best available player" at his position after Paul and curry set the market to stay with their respective teams.


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Do you really think some team is going to commit a third of their cap to Rose for 5 more years? I mean, you could be right of course. He will definitely be the best payer left, but you have to figure his health and the injury risk have to factor in somewhere. Though I suppose if he stays healthy all year, that may lower the concern.

[Sark]

There's literally only 1 team that would offer a 5 year max to Rose: the Knicks. Not only do his stats say he is not worth that much, along with the eye test, but considering his injury history he won't get anything past 3 years on the open market.

Unfortunately we'll probably be bidding against ourselves as usual, because Knicks.

[islanders11040]

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[NYKMentality85]

Yeah they were but teams were very careful about trying to bully the Knicks. Nobody wanted to start anything with the Knicks because the Knicks were the bullies. Rose would be just fine if he had Oakley and Mase right behind him

You act like dudes in the 90's were made out of steel

Muggsy Bogues lasted 15 years in that era and did just fine

Exactly. And then you had guards such as Mark Price, Spud Webb, Penny Hardaway, Reggie Miller, Grant Hill (SF) etc even our very own head coach in Jeff Hornacek; none of these players were "physical tough guys".

It's one thing to question the playing style of Derrick Rose but it's another to question his toughness. This dude is from the streets of Chicago and plays like it too. Rose has heart. Fight. Determination. Guts. Grit. And has battled back from two major injuries.

No one outside of current Russell Westbrook and throwback Allen Iverson has ever played as fearless as Rose has over the years. This man has no quit & has literally gave his blood, sweat, tears and body to the game he loves.

[Fat]

Give the man his money and get it over with, we all know this resign is coming

[Knicksfan1992]

There's literally only 1 team that would offer a 5 year max to Rose: the Knicks. Not only do his stats say he is not worth that much, along with the eye test, but considering his injury history he won't get anything past 3 years on the open market.

Unfortunately we'll probably be bidding against ourselves as usual, because Knicks.

I keep hoping your avi is going to glitch and move those elbows but alas...

[kane2021]

There's two things to hope for as a knick fan in regards to rose.

1, hope some star level talent demands a trade and rose with his solid play and expiring contract entices a team to make him a center piece in such a trade.

2, hope he agrees to the 3 year 75 million extension if he's still on the roster after the trade deadline.

Because knicks not letting him walk for nothing, down grading, and rose isn't going to sign some team friendly deal. 5 years 175 million is his max and he's going to be "best available player" at his position after Paul and curry set the market to stay with their respective teams.


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Do you really think some team is going to commit a third of their cap to Rose for 5 more years? I mean, you could be right of course. He will definitely be the best payer left, but you have to figure his health and the injury risk have to factor in somewhere. Though I suppose if he stays healthy all year, that may lower the concern.

I don't know. I sure wouldn't rule it out. I've seen some pretty mind blowing contracts handed out. Hate to say it, but stat was a similar risk. Although he showed some return to form. One could argue that made it an even greater risk that he would get injured again. We even did a sign and trade to give him maximum money. So I can't put it past the knicks or any team. One thing I do know is if he doesn't sign an extension, he's going to get paid more than that extension in the summer. Will it be the max? Who knows. But I put my money on it being closer to 175 million than it being 75 million.


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[bringinhinkie]

there is no point debating until the knicks play some real teams.. last time the team played real teams, people made threads about who to draft with the impending top 10 pick

getting excited about barely beating the t wolves twice, and kings is very silly.. these games should have been blowouts--at least 2 of them.. and btw, the knicks are 2 and 6 against teams 3 game+ over .500

jennings/rose
lee+/holiday/vujacic
melo/kuz/lance
zinger/koq
noah/willy/plumlee

[CJackson]

The issue is not whether Rose is contributing. He obviously is.

The issue is his whole game is predicated on athletic explosiveness. He loses a step or breaks down and then the lack of court vision and only average facilitation skills are not enough to compensate for the downgrade in his abilities. Then Rose becomes ordinary and worth a quarter of a max contract. And the probability of that happening is unknown, but he is playing on repaired legs.

You open the bank for Rose, you're basically gambling on Amare 2.0 all over again.

[NYKMentality85]

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This is absoulatly beautiful and to think we're only 20 games into the season while Rose is adjusting to a new system, new coach & different teammates. Wow. Just wow.

When i try telling people that Rose has regained his quickness, athletic-athleticism and overall explosiveness; this is exactly what I'm talking about.

And to make it even more exciting his FG% of .455% is the highest it's been since his All-Star year of 2009-2010 (.489%) and even higher than his career year of 2010-2011 (.445%).

Madison Square Garden loves him already. New York faithful erupts with excitement every time Rose comes through (unlike those who root against him while on their living room couch).

[JohnStarksTheDunk]

There's two things to hope for as a knick fan in regards to rose.

1, hope some star level talent demands a trade and rose with his solid play and expiring contract entices a team to make him a center piece in such a trade.

2, hope he agrees to the 3 year 75 million extension if he's still on the roster after the trade deadline.

Because knicks not letting him walk for nothing, down grading, and rose isn't going to sign some team friendly deal. 5 years 175 million is his max and he's going to be "best available player" at his position after Paul and curry set the market to stay with their respective teams.


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Do you really think some team is going to commit a third of their cap to Rose for 5 more years? I mean, you could be right of course. He will definitely be the best payer left, but you have to figure his health and the injury risk have to factor in somewhere. Though I suppose if he stays healthy all year, that may lower the concern.

I don't know. I sure wouldn't rule it out. I've seen some pretty mind blowing contracts handed out. Hate to say it, but stat was a similar risk. Although he showed some return to form. One could argue that made it an even greater risk that he would get injured again. We even did a sign and trade to give him maximum money. So I can't put it past the knicks or any team. One thing I do know is if he doesn't sign an extension, he's going to get paid more than that extension in the summer. Will it be the max? Who knows. But I put my money on it being closer to 175 million than it being 75 million.


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Fair point about Amare, but he actually recovered pretty well and then had 4 straight years of healthy knees in PHX, playing in 82, 79, 53, and 82 games, only missing time because of an unrelated detached retina. Rose, on the other hand, tore his ACL and then returned and tore the meniscus in his other knee, and then the very next season tore his meniscus again. If he (hopefully) makes it through this season, it will only be 2 years.

Amare was healthy his first season in NY, but then his body really broke down. Rose is the same age, so there ought to be similar concerns.

[CJackson]

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Just in time for the discussion lmao!!! Put up 5 mins ago.

This is absoulatly beautiful and to think we're only 20 games into the season while Rose is adjusting to a new system, new coach & different teammates. Wow. Just wow.

When i try telling people that Rose has regained his quickness, athletic-athleticism and overall explosiveness; this is exactly what I'm talking about.

And to make it even more exciting his FG% of .455% is the highest it's been since his All-Star year of 2009-2010 (.489%) and even higher than his career year of 2010-2011 (.445%).

Madison Square Garden loves him already. New York faithful erupts with excitement every time Rose comes through (unlike those who root against him while on their living room couch).

Thanks for posting more polarizing BS.

Not everyone needs to launch into homer mode like you and some are fine with Rose's current contributions without jumping to the conclusion he is the long-term answer. Many have already said they are not inclined to resign him, but are content to take a wait and see attitude.

You want to fight with bNo be our guest, but enough with your polarizing statements on whether a player should come back just 20 games into the season.

You're not a super fan. Your opinion is just another fart in the wind.

[magnumt]

oh so defenses weren't hard nosed before the hand check rule?

Yeah they were but teams were very careful about trying to bully the Knicks. Nobody wanted to start anything with the Knicks because the Knicks were the bullies. Rose would be just fine if he had Oakley and Mase right behind him

I don't get why you're laughing at what he's saying.

There's a reason they were called "the No Lay up Rule" Knicks.

You showboated against us and those teams would've put you on your ass... FAST!

Draymond couldn't have pulled his sh*t against us either. Mase or Oak would've laid. his. ass. OUT!

--Mags