Official Trade Thread - Part XXXI

[Dat2U]

Im not exactly sure if there is a thread for this, but what about current FA's?

We have the Min. and the room exception still left (2.8M prorated) should we sign someone? Thoughts?

I've got:
Carl Landry
Quincy Acy
Josh Smith
Archie Goodwin
Dorrell Wright
Tyler Hansbrough
JJ Hickson

Wright, Hickson, Acy, etc. Could all be a solid 9th/10th man...

I didn't understand why we let Hickson go in the off season. He's still young, and he was very good for us (admittedly in small sample size minutes). He's always been a pretty good player.

I also like Quincy Acy. He's another guy who puts up pretty good numbers and is cheap. He was w/ Dallas earlier this year -- did they waive him?

Both these guys are a cut above Smith and Nicholson. But we are stuck with those two stiffs, unfortunately.

Not as interested in the other guys.

Good point. I forgot about Hickson. Once Durant and Horford fell through, we should have signed Hickson and Acy to 1-year or 2-year deals at vet minimum level salaries. Then spent money on resigning Sessions or some other equivalent backup PG (Jared Bayless?). I'd have aimed for a 2-year deal, even if it meant paying more per year.

Assuming $3M for Hickson, $1M for Acy, $1M for Thornton, and $9M for Sessions, we would have had a better bench than we have now, plus $17M leftover to throw at whatever good bargain contracts became available late in the free agency session. Jared Sullinger was signed late for just $5.1M. Brandon Bass was signed for $1.5M. Nene signed for $2.9M. Derrick Williams signed for $4.5M.

In retrospect signing James Johnson as a backup PF, Dewayne Dedmon at backup C and Seth Curry at backup PG would have been much better than what we did. Brandon Bass definitely was a nice pickup for the minimum as well.

[pcbothwel]

Im not exactly sure if there is a thread for this, but what about current FA's?

We have the Min. and the room exception still left (2.8M prorated) should we sign someone? Thoughts?

I've got:
Carl Landry
Quincy Acy
Josh Smith
Archie Goodwin
Dorrell Wright
Tyler Hansbrough
JJ Hickson

Wright, Hickson, Acy, etc. Could all be a solid 9th/10th man...

I didn't understand why we let Hickson go in the off season. He's still young, and he was very good for us (admittedly in small sample size minutes). He's always been a pretty good player.

I also like Quincy Acy. He's another guy who puts up pretty good numbers and is cheap. He was w/ Dallas earlier this year -- did they waive him?

Both these guys are a cut above Smith and Nicholson. But we are stuck with those two stiffs, unfortunately.

Not as interested in the other guys.

Good point. I forgot about Hickson. Once Durant and Horford fell through, we should have signed Hickson and Acy to 1-year or 2-year deals at vet minimum level salaries. Then spent money on resigning Sessions or some other equivalent backup PG (Jared Bayless?). I'd have aimed for a 2-year deal, even if it meant paying more per year.

Assuming $3M for Hickson, $1M for Acy, $1M for Thornton, and $9M for Sessions, we would have had a better bench than we have now, plus $17M leftover to throw at whatever good bargain contracts became available late in the free agency session. Jared Sullinger was signed late for just $5.1M. Brandon Bass was signed for $1.5M. Nene signed for $2.9M. Derrick Williams signed for $4.5M.

I really think a Dorell Wright or Quincy Acy could help this bench. Oubre is getting more burn with the 1st unit and he is looking good doing so. This pushes either Otto or Morris to the 2nd unit more which also helps. Mahinmi will provide some leadership, IQ and Defense to the 2nd unit, as well as allow Gortat some minutes with the 2nd unit...again, this helps.

The wild card is Sato and I have hope for statistical reasons:
1) FT: In 7 years in ACB, Sato averaged 78% from the line and 80% in Eurocup/Euroleague. And not once below 70%. This year, he is shooting just under 65% so a 8-10% increase is expected.

2) 3 pointers: In ACB he was a 38% 3 point shooter over 7 years. His last two years he shot 44% and 39%. This season he is shooting 12% which kills his efficiency. Looking at other players who came over and adjusted to the longer 3, I would expect Sato to shoot around 33-34% in the NBA.

Those two factors alone will push his TS into the mid 50's and open up the game for him.

[deneem4]

We don't need Gortat because of his offense we need him defensively
We are 1-6 when he's has an offensive rating over 125...
We have firepower wall beal and Porter could score 20+ every night on good efficiency with ease...

We need Gortat to be tough around the rim defensively and he's regressed from an already soft style...
Our guards and wings have to watch the pain more so than the 3 defensively and it's not because they can't stay with perimeter players or get lost on screens...
It's cause we don't have a valid rim protecter anymore we don't have no toughness down low that's y the mahinmi signing was so important and it's exposing gortat even more because ernie might have actually known this

Please stop. You are wrong. Dead wrong. This notion that Gortat isn't essential, or is somehow hurting the team is just plain absurd. He has the second highest on/off differential on the team.

Beal +14.0
Gortat +10.9
Porter +10.8
Morris +8.4
Wall +7.0

He also leads the team in minutes which is nuts for a center. He leads all centers in the league in minutes per game. He ranks 17th overall in minutes per game. He's 5th in the league in rebounds per game, which is pretty damn good for such a "soft" player. (He's 9th in rebound percentage.) The man has been a workhorse.

Gortat may not be Shaq in his prime, but there are so many other problems on this team that are far, far more pressing than Marcin Gortat.

Gosh, I really wish I could stop seeing deneem4's quoted comments!

Yeah u must don't like to see the truth...

[deneem4]

Simple between us and Philly

Burke/Nicholson/unprotected 2017 1st
For
Holmes/covington/ersan

Me being the optimist...this shores up our bench with quality talent...putting us in great position to make noise in the playoffs

Wall/sato
Beal/RoCo
Porter/oubre
Morris/ersan
Gortat/holmes

Philly gets another 1st to go after this great upcoming draft class...
We sacrifice a draft pick to make strides and compliment our top 5 starting 5...both young pieces... on good contracts

Holmes can be consistent with more minutes make trading Gortat and or mahinmi easy and probably get a mid to late 1st back...also the younger guys fits our core better

[pcbothwel]

Simple between us and Philly

Burke/Nicholson/unprotected 2017 1st
For
Holmes/covington/ersan

Me being the optimist...this shores up our bench with quality talent...putting us in great position to make noise in the playoffs

Wall/sato
Beal/RoCo
Porter/oubre
Morris/ersan
Gortat/holmes

Philly gets another 1st to go after this great upcoming draft class...
We sacrifice a draft pick to make strides and compliment our top 5 starting 5...both young pieces... on good contracts

Holmes can be consistent with more minutes make trading Gortat and or mahinmi easy and probably get a mid to late 1st back...also the younger guys fits our core better

Dont hate it, but I switch Smith in for Nicholson and put at least top 8 protection on the pick, if not top 10

[TGW]

This team isn't in a position to give up unprotected firsts for mediocre bench players. It's a terrible idea.

[deneem4]

This team isn't in a position to give up unprotected firsts for mediocre bench players. It's a terrible idea.

A 23yr old center whos developing a 3pt shot plays tough around the rim and is locked for the next 2 years on a bargain contract
Along with the guy every one said was better than beal and would even trade for him a yr ago
Not to mention ersan who would be the best stretch 4 wall had played with..

We would hope to draft a richaun Holmes clone with this draft pick

[deneem4]

Simple between us and Philly

Burke/Nicholson/unprotected 2017 1st
For
Holmes/covington/ersan

Me being the optimist...this shores up our bench with quality talent...putting us in great position to make noise in the playoffs

Wall/sato
Beal/RoCo
Porter/oubre
Morris/ersan
Gortat/holmes

Philly gets another 1st to go after this great upcoming draft class...
We sacrifice a draft pick to make strides and compliment our top 5 starting 5...both young pieces... on good contracts

Holmes can be consistent with more minutes make trading Gortat and or mahinmi easy and probably get a mid to late 1st back...also the younger guys fits our core better

Dont hate it, but I switch Smith in for Nicholson and put at least top 8 protection on the pick, if not top 10

Don't think philly does it...Holmes have quietly been their best player outside of embiid...
Maybe swap staukas for illyasova??

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Sherlock Holmes.



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[Dark Faze]

Its looking increasingly likely that Millsap will be available at the deadline

definitely going to file that under a potential panic trade for grunfeld--offering our pick, albeit with protection

[payitforward]

I didn't understand why we let Hickson go in the off season. He's still young, and he was very good for us (admittedly in small sample size minutes). He's always been a pretty good player.

I also like Quincy Acy. He's another guy who puts up pretty good numbers and is cheap. He was w/ Dallas earlier this year -- did they waive him?

Both these guys are a cut above Smith and Nicholson. But we are stuck with those two stiffs, unfortunately.

Not as interested in the other guys.

Good point. I forgot about Hickson. Once Durant and Horford fell through, we should have signed Hickson and Acy to 1-year or 2-year deals at vet minimum level salaries. Then spent money on resigning Sessions or some other equivalent backup PG (Jared Bayless?). I'd have aimed for a 2-year deal, even if it meant paying more per year.

Assuming $3M for Hickson, $1M for Acy, $1M for Thornton, and $9M for Sessions, we would have had a better bench than we have now, plus $17M leftover to throw at whatever good bargain contracts became available late in the free agency session. Jared Sullinger was signed late for just $5.1M. Brandon Bass was signed for $1.5M. Nene signed for $2.9M. Derrick Williams signed for $4.5M.

In retrospect signing James Johnson as a backup PF, Dewayne Dedmon at backup C and Seth Curry at backup PG would have been much better than what we did. Brandon Bass definitely was a nice pickup for the minimum as well.

Sure. Dedmon especially was an obvious choice. And don't forget Cole Aldrich. In fact, I've never seen an off-season where it would have been so easy to assemble a good set of bench bigs. Dedmon, Aldrich, Hickson & Acy in place of Mahinmi, Smith, Nicholson & Ochefu saves $10m/year and delivers way more production -- way more future upside as well!

Then, if Sessions costs too much, or you want to be younger, sign Ish Smith. H@ll, sign Ty Lawson too! Certainly worth the risk at a vet. minimum salary! And Seth Curry over Thornton.

PG: Wall / Smith / Lawson
SG: Beal / Curry / Sato
SF: Porter / Oubre
PF: Hickson / Morris / Acy
C: Gortat / Aldrich

You've got a much better team, and you've just saved $10m. Take $2m of it and trade into R2 for McCaw or another prospect. Best of all, there's still room for Sheldon McClellan!!

[nate33]

Good point. I forgot about Hickson. Once Durant and Horford fell through, we should have signed Hickson and Acy to 1-year or 2-year deals at vet minimum level salaries. Then spent money on resigning Sessions or some other equivalent backup PG (Jared Bayless?). I'd have aimed for a 2-year deal, even if it meant paying more per year.

Assuming $3M for Hickson, $1M for Acy, $1M for Thornton, and $9M for Sessions, we would have had a better bench than we have now, plus $17M leftover to throw at whatever good bargain contracts became available late in the free agency session. Jared Sullinger was signed late for just $5.1M. Brandon Bass was signed for $1.5M. Nene signed for $2.9M. Derrick Williams signed for $4.5M.

In retrospect signing James Johnson as a backup PF, Dewayne Dedmon at backup C and Seth Curry at backup PG would have been much better than what we did. Brandon Bass definitely was a nice pickup for the minimum as well.

Sure. Dedmon especially was an obvious choice. And don't forget Cole Aldrich. In fact, I've never seen an off-season where it would have been so easy to assemble a good set of bench bigs. Dedmon, Aldrich, Hickson & Acy in place of Mahinmi, Smith, Nicholson & Ochefu saves $10m/year and delivers way more production -- way more future upside as well!

Then, if Sessions costs too much, or you want to be younger, sign Ish Smith. H@ll, sign Ty Lawson too! Certainly worth the risk at a vet. minimum salary! And Seth Curry over Thornton.

PG: Wall / Smith / Lawson
SG: Beal / Curry / Sato
SF: Porter / Oubre
PF: Hickson / Morris / Acy
C: Gortat / Aldrich

You've got a much better team, and you've just saved $10m. Take $2m of it and trade into R2 for McCaw or another prospect. Best of all, there's still room for Sheldon McClellan!!

I still don't get this fascination with Seth Curry, but the rest of those ideas are great. Lawson at the vet minimum or Ish Smith on his $6M a year contract would have been infinitely preferable to trading a 2nd for Trey Burke.

As a side note, I will say that EG probably made the right move in drafting Oubre. It's seems that versatile, long-armed forwards who can switch out on guards defensively, rebound well, and hit 3's are some of the most precious commodities in the league. There were hardly any guys like that available this summer in free agency who didn't cost a fortune.

On the other hand, serviceable bench bigs are a dime a dozen and you don't have to pay much to find them. So, naturally, EG spends $30M to stock our frontcourt bench, and they still suck.

[TGW]

Beal/Nicholson/Smith for Stauskas/Holmes/Bayless/Ilyasova

Let's dump all our longterm junk on them. The Philly fans liked it.

[nate33]

Its looking increasingly likely that Millsap will be available at the deadline

definitely going to file that under a potential panic trade for grunfeld--offering our pick, albeit with protection

Millsap was arguably the best PF in the league last year. His production is down a little bit this year, but that's probably due to Howard clogging the lane. If we could get Millsap for Nicholson + Smith + Burke + top 3 protected 1st, I'd do it. Salarywise, we'd need to include another $600K or so, so that means Thornton must be included as well.

But the bottom line is that if we can come out of the trade with Millsap, without giving up Oubre, Morris or Mahinmi; our frontcourt would be deep. Find a backup PG out of the D-League (who wouldn't be any worse than Burke) and give McClellan and Sato the backup SG spot, and we'd be pretty set for the next 2 full seasons. Millsap is a free agent in 2018 and Wall and Gortat are free agents in 2019.

PG Wall/Sato
SG Beal/McCellan
SF Porter/Oubre
PF Millsap/Morris
C Gortat/Mahinmi

It's an expensive team, but screw Ted. The starting 5 is the second best in the East, and the frontcourt depth is solid. I'm not thrilled about the bench at the guard spots, but you can usually find serviceable guards in the D-League or from waivers. I actually think McClellan could be better than Thornton, so the only real hole is backup PG. Just gotta find the next Ish Smith.

[Dark Faze]

Its looking increasingly likely that Millsap will be available at the deadline

definitely going to file that under a potential panic trade for grunfeld--offering our pick, albeit with protection

Millsap was arguably the best PF in the league last year. His production is down a little bit this year, but that's probably due to Howard clogging the lane. If we could get Millsap for Nicholson + Smith + Burke + top 3 protected 1st, I'd do it. Salarywise, we'd need to include another $600K or so, so that means Thornton must be included as well.

But the bottom line is that if we can come out of the trade with Millsap, without giving up Oubre, Morris or Mahinmi; our frontcourt would be deep. Find a backup PG out of the D-League (who wouldn't be any worse than Burke) and give McClellan and Sato the backup SG spot, and we'd be pretty set for the next 2 full seasons. Millsap is a free agent in 2018 and Wall and Gortat are free agents in 2019.

PG Wall/Sato
SG Beal/McCellan
SF Porter/Oubre
PF Millsap/Morris
C Gortat/Mahinmi

It's an expensive team, but screw Ted. The starting 5 is the second best in the East, and the frontcourt depth is solid. I'm not thrilled about the bench at the guard spots, but you can usually find serviceable guards in the D-League or from waivers. I actually think McClellan could be better than Thornton, so the only real hole is backup PG. Just gotta find the next Ish Smith.

Getting rid of the Nicholson and Smith contracts and picking up Sap is definitely intriguing.

The main concern is potentially giving up a top 10 pick in a great draft for a free agent. He'd probably fit brilliantly alongside aldridge in San Antonio for example. I don't see too many other spots so it might be worth the gamble but my god it would be quite a blunder.

[deneem4]

Its looking increasingly likely that Millsap will be available at the deadline

definitely going to file that under a potential panic trade for grunfeld--offering our pick, albeit with protection

Millsap was arguably the best PF in the league last year. His production is down a little bit this year, but that's probably due to Howard clogging the lane. If we could get Millsap for Nicholson + Smith + Burke + top 3 protected 1st, I'd do it. Salarywise, we'd need to include another $600K or so, so that means Thornton must be included as well.

But the bottom line is that if we can come out of the trade with Millsap, without giving up Oubre, Morris or Mahinmi; our frontcourt would be deep. Find a backup PG out of the D-League (who wouldn't be any worse than Burke) and give McClellan and Sato the backup SG spot, and we'd be pretty set for the next 2 full seasons. Millsap is a free agent in 2018 and Wall and Gortat are free agents in 2019.

PG Wall/Sato
SG Beal/McCellan
SF Porter/Oubre
PF Millsap/Morris
C Gortat/Mahinmi

It's an expensive team, but screw Ted. The starting 5 is the second best in the East, and the frontcourt depth is solid. I'm not thrilled about the bench at the guard spots, but you can usually find serviceable guards in the D-League or from waivers. I actually think McClellan could be better than Thornton, so the only real hole is backup PG. Just gotta find the next Ish Smith.

Technically we have the 2nd best starting 5 in the east right now..I like Millsap but his 3pt shot Is down and that's what we really need from that pf position...most importantly gortat clogs the lane jus as much as Howard so I think the struggles might be the same...
Then again...
He hasn't played with wall...this is intriguing...wonder if we can get another Atlanta piece added as well

[BealsLegs]

id be all on on millsap if we knew we could keep him longterm, no way we dump smith/nicholson without giving up a 1st or oubre

[queridiculo]

Beal/Nicholson/Smith for Stauskas/Holmes/Bayless/Ilyasova

Let's dump all our longterm junk on them. The Philly fans liked it

I'd make them take Mahinmi too.

[payitforward]

Now that Paul Millsap is about to turn 32, now that he's entering the last phase of a terrific career, now that he's played almost 27,000 NBA minutes... now lets trade for him and give up one of the top picks in what all agree is a tremendous draft.

No thanks, not my cup of tea. We need to try to become a good team, which means not buying old guys for lots of $$.

[payitforward]

Beal/Nicholson/Smith for Stauskas/Holmes/Bayless/Ilyasova

Let's dump all our longterm junk on them. The Philly fans liked it

I'd make them take Mahinmi too.

This is not a deal the Colangelos would be interested in.