Rockets match Nets offer for Donuts (Updte Pg 17: Offer Pulled, DMo UFA)

K_chile22 · Post #221 » by **K_chile22** » Wed Dec 7, 2016 7:24 pm

Apparently BJ and the Rockets are currently discussing a new deal between the two teams in the 31 million dollar range and the barrier there is the Rockets want a later guarantee day for the 2017-18 season
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/18227996/donatas-motiejunas-report-houston-rockets-6-million-difference-offer-sheet

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OptionZero · Post #222 » by **OptionZero** » Wed Dec 7, 2016 7:38 pm

It would be hilarious to see Dmo go through all these histrionics and wind up back in HOU on a WORSE deal than the offer sheet. The later guarantee day helps HOU alot, they can go through FA before deciding wehther to cut him. if Dmo gets cut late in FA, the money will be dried up and he won't get as many offers/as big an offer

seriously, BJ **** up so bad and i love watching incompetence get punished.

the way this ends has to be D-Mo firing BJ and re-signing with HOU for the offer sheet, right?

K_chile22 · Post #223 » by **K_chile22** » Wed Dec 7, 2016 7:43 pm

OptionZero wrote:It would be hilarious to see Dmo go through all these histrionics and wind up back in HOU on a WORSE deal than the offer sheet. The later guarantee day helps HOU alot, they can go through FA before deciding wehther to cut him. if Dmo gets cut late in FA, the money will be dried up and he won't get as many offers/as big an offer

seriously, BJ **** up so bad and i love watching incompetence get punished.

the way this ends has to be D-Mo firing BJ and re-signing with HOU for the offer sheet, right?

More than likely. If he were willing to sign the exact same deal with Houston I would prefer it to them matching because then he no longer has a no trade clause for a year

inquisitive · Post #224 » by **inquisitive** » Wed Dec 7, 2016 9:02 pm

I can't see the NBA letting BJ get away with this...and i dont think the Jazz would do this...they should know better. It will be interesting to see how this unfolds in the coming days.

BallerTalk · Post #225 » by **BallerTalk** » Wed Dec 7, 2016 10:14 pm

K_chile22 wrote:Getting back OT

It appears that the dispute is not about going back to Houston or Calvin's report of another team (I think he misunderstood the situation and BJ wants to get back on the market to get a deal without those bonuses that don't have to be/can't be matched) but is indeed about the 6 million dollars the Rockets didn't have to match. Seems like more of a problem with his agent than anything.
I belive the Rockets could've chosen to match some (though I don't see why they would) but some of the bonuses were Nets specific so they would be voided in a match no matter what. Dmo should sue BJ for malpractice and get his 6 mil back that way because they seem shocked by the terms of the contract he told his client was good to sign.

You still don't get it.
It's Morey's fault for allowing D-Mo to hire BJ Armstrong.
Rumor is Morey even referred Armstrong to D-Mo knowing this would be the end result.
Such an awful GM.

Spens1 · Post #226 » by **Spens1** » Thu Dec 8, 2016 1:07 am

Marbury it, he could either a) rock up and refuse to play. b) not rock up at all, play a year in europe instead (less money but the principle is there)

Post #227 » by **HartfordWhalers** » Thu Dec 8, 2016 1:17 am

Spens1 wrote:Marbury it, he could either a) rock up and refuse to play. b) not rock up at all, play a year in europe instead (less money but the principle is there)

Wouldn't get FIBA clearance to play in Europe, as he is under contract to Houston.

Spens1 · Post #228 » by **Spens1** » Thu Dec 8, 2016 1:21 am

HartfordWhalers wrote:
Spens1 wrote:Marbury it, he could either a) rock up and refuse to play. b) not rock up at all, play a year in europe instead (less money but the principle is there)

Wouldn't get FIBA clearance to play in Europe, as he is under contract to Houston.

well then pull a marbury and just refuse to play or just play very badly.

It is his fault (well his agents but him also) but Houston don't exactly come out looking good either considering all the nonsense they pulled either, i can understand why he feels slighted by the rockets.

red96 · Post #229 » by **red96** » Thu Dec 8, 2016 3:12 am

Spens1 wrote:
HartfordWhalers wrote:
Spens1 wrote:Marbury it, he could either a) rock up and refuse to play. b) not rock up at all, play a year in europe instead (less money but the principle is there)

Wouldn't get FIBA clearance to play in Europe, as he is under contract to Houston.

well then pull a marbury and just refuse to play or just play very badly.

It is his fault (well his agents but him also) but Houston don't exactly come out looking good either considering all the nonsense they pulled either, i can understand why he feels slighted by the rockets.

If he doesn't show up, he gets suspended without pay and risks not getting credit for this season as year 1 of his contract. While under contract with Houston he cant play in Europe either. Dogging it on the court just plummets his value even lower. His best bet now is to show that he can still ball and that he can stay healthy. BJ F'd DMo old school Ice Cube style and had him sign the worst player contract i've ever seen. I do think that Morey should lighten up and give him the bonus $ if he can, as long as DMo gives the Rockets a later team option for year 2.

Spens1 · Post #230 » by **Spens1** » Thu Dec 8, 2016 3:33 am

red96 wrote:
Spens1 wrote:
HartfordWhalers wrote:
Wouldn't get FIBA clearance to play in Europe, as he is under contract to Houston.

well then pull a marbury and just refuse to play or just play very badly.

It is his fault (well his agents but him also) but Houston don't exactly come out looking good either considering all the nonsense they pulled either, i can understand why he feels slighted by the rockets.
If he doesn't show up, he gets suspended without pay and risks not getting credit for this season as year 1 of his contract. While under contract with Houston he cant play in Europe either. Dogging it on the court just plummets his value even lower. His best bet now is to show that he can still ball and that he can stay healthy. BJ F'd DMo old school Ice Cube style and had him sign the worst player contract i've ever seen. I do think that Morey should lighten up and give him the bonos $ if he can, as long as DMo gives the Rockets a later team option for year 2.

Or he could rock up to the rockets on day 1 and say yeah nah trade me ASAP (i think that would mean sometime before deadline or in the offseason).

red96 · Post #231 » by **red96** » Thu Dec 8, 2016 4:07 am

Spens1 wrote:
red96 wrote:
Spens1 wrote:
well then pull a marbury and just refuse to play or just play very badly.

It is his fault (well his agents but him also) but Houston don't exactly come out looking good either considering all the nonsense they pulled either, i can understand why he feels slighted by the rockets.
If he doesn't show up, he gets suspended without pay and risks not getting credit for this season as year 1 of his contract. While under contract with Houston he cant play in Europe either. Dogging it on the court just plummets his value even lower. His best bet now is to show that he can still ball and that he can stay healthy. BJ F'd DMo old school Ice Cube style and had him sign the worst player contract i've ever seen. I do think that Morey should lighten up and give him the bonos $ if he can, as long as DMo gives the Rockets a later team option for year 2.

Or he could rock up to the rockets on day 1 and say yeah nah trade me ASAP (i think that would mean sometime before deadline or in the offseason).

He cant be traded until the off-season, and its only if DMo ok's the deal. But Morey's not going to make a bad deal for DMo just to appease him. DMo has 0 leverage. Darryl' may entertain a deal that benefits both parties, but he's going to do what's best for his team and employer 1st.

K_chile22 · Post #232 » by **K_chile22** » Thu Dec 8, 2016 4:07 am

Spens1 wrote:
red96 wrote:
Spens1 wrote:
well then pull a marbury and just refuse to play or just play very badly.

It is his fault (well his agents but him also) but Houston don't exactly come out looking good either considering all the nonsense they pulled either, i can understand why he feels slighted by the rockets.
If he doesn't show up, he gets suspended without pay and risks not getting credit for this season as year 1 of his contract. While under contract with Houston he cant play in Europe either. Dogging it on the court just plummets his value even lower. His best bet now is to show that he can still ball and that he can stay healthy. BJ F'd DMo old school Ice Cube style and had him sign the worst player contract i've ever seen. I do think that Morey should lighten up and give him the bonos $ if he can, as long as DMo gives the Rockets a later team option for year 2.

Or he could rock up to the rockets on day 1 and say yeah nah trade me ASAP (i think that would mean sometime before deadline or in the offseason).

That wouldn't get him the 6 million back though. The latest news doesn't seem like his problem is with going back to Houston (he and his agent are also working on reaching a deal between the Rockets and he, voiding the Nets deal) but with the money. His agent already lost him that money though so I don't see the point in protesting the Rockets over it.

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red96 · Post #233 » by **red96** » Thu Dec 8, 2016 4:19 am

K_chile22 wrote:
Spens1 wrote:
red96 wrote:If he doesn't show up, he gets suspended without pay and risks not getting credit for this season as year 1 of his contract. While under contract with Houston he cant play in Europe either. Dogging it on the court just plummets his value even lower. His best bet now is to show that he can still ball and that he can stay healthy. BJ F'd DMo old school Ice Cube style and had him sign the worst player contract i've ever seen. I do think that Morey should lighten up and give him the bonos $ if he can, as long as DMo gives the Rockets a later team option for year 2.

Or he could rock up to the rockets on day 1 and say yeah nah trade me ASAP (i think that would mean sometime before deadline or in the offseason).

That wouldn't get him the 6 million back though. The latest news doesn't seem like his problem is with going back to Houston (he and his agent are also working on reaching a deal between the Rockets and he, voiding the Nets deal) but with the money. His agent already lost him that money though so I don't see the point in protesting the Rockets over it.

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Exactly, I don't think the Rockets did anything wrong. They traded him last year and then the Pistons reneg'd and screwed up his value. The Rockets made DMo 2 offers that he rejected. The league waited until December to make DMo an offer that was worse than the Rockets 2 offers. BJ had DMo sign that trucked up deal and then the Rockets matched it. How are the Rockets in the wrong in any way?

K_chile22 · Post #234 » by **K_chile22** » Thu Dec 8, 2016 4:25 am

red96 wrote:
K_chile22 wrote:
Spens1 wrote:
Or he could rock up to the rockets on day 1 and say yeah nah trade me ASAP (i think that would mean sometime before deadline or in the offseason).

That wouldn't get him the 6 million back though. The latest news doesn't seem like his problem is with going back to Houston (he and his agent are also working on reaching a deal between the Rockets and he, voiding the Nets deal) but with the money. His agent already lost him that money though so I don't see the point in protesting the Rockets over it.

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Exactly, I don't the Rockets did anything wrong. They traded him last year and then the Pistons reneg'd and screwed up his value. The Rockets made DMo 2 offers that he rejected. The league waited until December to make DMo an offer that was worse than the Rockets 2 offers. BJ had DMo sign that trucked up deal and then the Rockets matched it. How are the Rockets in the wrong in any way?

The two deals the Rockets offered were also probably better for Motiejunas, if he stayed fairly healthy, than the one he ended up getting anyways

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BallerTalk · Post #235 » by **BallerTalk** » Thu Dec 8, 2016 6:43 am

red96 wrote: BJ F'd DMo old school Ice Cube style and had him sign the worst player contract i've ever seen. I do think that Morey should lighten up and give him the bonus $ if he can, as long as DMo gives the Rockets a later team option for year 2.

The funniest part about it is that after playing hardball with a team for the last 5 months, including getting mouthy in the media, BJ is now in a position where he has to ask the Rockets for favors to cover his mistake.

MaxRider · Post #236 » by **MaxRider** » Thu Dec 8, 2016 3:22 pm

similar happened to Batum when Portland matched Minnesota offer sheet
he suck it up and show up to play for Portland
never like him but at least he is pro

HurricaneKid · Post #237 » by **HurricaneKid** » Thu Dec 8, 2016 4:02 pm

FNQ wrote:
K_chile22 wrote:
FNQ wrote:
Why does no other organization have these issues? The Rockets had a good player in Parsons, maybe not a star, but don't go out and publicly say you're looking for another star. That's bush league.

All this madness about Parsons feeling disrespected by Houston NEEDS TO STOP. Parsons was under contract for 800k and Morey let him out of arguably the best contract in the NBA that season so he could go sign a 15m/ deal with their in state rival.

Players see that and know that Morey will do what is right, even if it means direct pain for himself. That is far more important than how Asik felt (and they traded him when he demanded it) when they added a FAR BETTER player.

Unless you think that Dwight SHOULD have been babied more, or that the Parsons offer sheet should have been matched, or that Houston shouldn't have traded Asik for a 1st and added a far better player at his position, in which case you wouldn't make nearly as good of a GM as Morey.

zZero · Post #238 » by **zZero** » Thu Dec 8, 2016 4:15 pm

Best thing would of happened if he signed QO and just showed what he can do and earn his payday next season with a team who wants him. I think Rockets should add those bonuses, since this contract is a steal anyway..

K_chile22 · Post #239 » by **K_chile22** » Thu Dec 8, 2016 4:21 pm

zZero wrote:Best thing would of happened if he signed QO and just showed what he can do and earn his payday next season with a team who wants him. I think Rockets should add those bonuses, since this contract is a steal anyway..

They couldn't add all of them because some where Nets specific and now it's too late to retroactively give him the rest of the bonuses. Only way something like that happened is they put him back on rfa market and work something out between themselves, which has apparently been talked about between the two parties

LeeBlaze · Post #240 » by **LeeBlaze** » Thu Dec 8, 2016 5:25 pm

jwise44 wrote:If morey is seriously just not willing to sign him with the incentives (I'm assuming all star/certain amount of games and stuff like that)

Then I blame morey..if he plays up to the standards he deserves to get his incentives then he's playing well and deserves it

Don't understand why you would blame Morey? BJ and DMo were the ones to sign the contract with strange terms, Morey only matched it. Every GM would match that contract. The contract essentially poses no risks after the first year, when it becomes non guaranteed. Houston has all the leverage at this point. I've never seen a contract for a restricted agent with those terms before. It's almost like BJ and DMo never read the contract.