GT: Washington Wizards @ Brooklyn Nets - Monday, 12/05/16 7:30pm YES

[Pistolpete1947]

What happened after the Linsanity win streak? The team loss 7 or so in a row, stop responding to the coach and he resigned. The team made the playoffs, but with the interim coach at the helm and Lin out for the rest of the season, including playoffs.

Looking at the whole picture, Linsanity was fun and lit up the Garden and was a great story, but a losing streak followed and Lin's numbers came back down to earth.

I can see you didn't follow the Knick's that year or you would know what happened. Actually most basketball fans knew what happened.

Carmelo came back. He was jealous of Lin and wanted the team to revolve around him so he wouldn't play D'Antoni's point guard centric offense. So the team lost 8 in a row with their "star" back and the coach resigned.

What do you mean I didn't follow the Knicks? I didn't say any reason for the losing streak, all I said is a losing streak followed. Lin was playing PG during the losing streak.

That's the way basketball and sports is. Sometimes a team looks fantastic for a stretch, and yes, sometimes a player or two comes back and the chemistry changes. But, my point was, there is more to Lin with the Knicks that season than the Linsanity run where things were fun and bright. There was the period after it that happened too.

Lin's total impact over the season is unknown. Why not just let it happen? I think Lin can show he can bring wins to this team but none of us know how many? It's all speculation. And that 2-3 start to the season just isn't enough to extract anything meaningful out of.

OMG. You didn't even mention that Carmelo came back, refused to play the coach'es offense and that led to 8 straight losses. You also didn't mention Lin started every game since Linsanity happened and helped them to get into the playoffs. If you're going to tell a story please tell the whole story and don't imply everything changed for no reason.

[bws94]

I can see you didn't follow the Knick's that year or you would know what happened. Actually most basketball fans knew what happened.

Carmelo came back. He was jealous of Lin and wanted the team to revolve around him so he wouldn't play D'Antoni's point guard centric offense. So the team lost 8 in a row with their "star" back and the coach resigned.

What do you mean I didn't follow the Knicks? I didn't say any reason for the losing streak, all I said is a losing streak followed. Lin was playing PG during the losing streak.

That's the way basketball and sports is. Sometimes a team looks fantastic for a stretch, and yes, sometimes a player or two comes back and the chemistry changes. But, my point was, there is more to Lin with the Knicks that season than the Linsanity run where things were fun and bright. There was the period after it that happened too.

Lin's total impact over the season is unknown. Why not just let it happen? I think Lin can show he can bring wins to this team but none of us know how many? It's all speculation. And that 2-3 start to the season just isn't enough to extract anything meaningful out of.

OMG. You didn't even mention that Carmelo came back, refused to play the coach'es offense and that led to 8 straight losses. You also didn't mention Lin started every game since Linsanity happened and helped them to get into the playoffs. If you're going to tell a story please tell the whole story and don't imply everything changed for no reason.

It's irrelevant. Team circumstances are different, talent level, standings and competition. Your using Linsanity to show because there was a win streak on the 2012 Knicks with an unknown player leading the charge that he can do so now. You need to look at what's different. Lin is very much game-planned for now and a known entity, he wasn't then. The talent level is different on the two teams, those Knicks and these Nets. The competition as well. I'm not going to rehash stuff about Melo, for what? Your argument on this topic that Lin can do it now because he did it in Linsanity isn't strong, nor is the 2-3 start with him enough to go on either. The long-time Net fans posting here look at the talent this year on this team, have an idea of Lin's talent, have an idea of the competition, and think wins will be hard to come by against teams of a certain caliber. If we get more than expected, great. But it makes sense not to expect more and be happy if we do than expect Lin to be some savior on a white horse that brings about more wins than the talent level vs. competition shows on this team.

[Pistolpete1947]

What do you mean I didn't follow the Knicks? I didn't say any reason for the losing streak, all I said is a losing streak followed. Lin was playing PG during the losing streak.

That's the way basketball and sports is. Sometimes a team looks fantastic for a stretch, and yes, sometimes a player or two comes back and the chemistry changes. But, my point was, there is more to Lin with the Knicks that season than the Linsanity run where things were fun and bright. There was the period after it that happened too.

Lin's total impact over the season is unknown. Why not just let it happen? I think Lin can show he can bring wins to this team but none of us know how many? It's all speculation. And that 2-3 start to the season just isn't enough to extract anything meaningful out of.

OMG. You didn't even mention that Carmelo came back, refused to play the coach'es offense and that led to 8 straight losses. You also didn't mention Lin started every game since Linsanity happened and helped them to get into the playoffs. If you're going to tell a story please tell the whole story and don't imply everything changed for no reason.

It's irrelevant. Team circumstances are different, talent level, standings and competition. Your using Linsanity to show because there was a win streak on the 2012 Knicks with an unknown player leading the charge that he can do so now. You need to look at what's different. Lin is very much game-planned for now and a known entity, he wasn't then. The talent level is different on the two teams, those Knicks and these Nets. The competition as well. I'm not going to rehash stuff about Melo, for what? Your argument on this topic that Lin can do it now because he did it in Linsanity isn't strong, nor is the 2-3 start with him enough to go on either. The long-time Net fans posting here look at the talent this year on this team, have an idea of Lin's talent, have an idea of the competition, and think wins will be hard to come by against teams of a certain caliber. If we get more than expected, great. But it makes sense not to expect more and be happy if we do than expect Lin to be some savior on a white horse that brings about more wins than the talent level vs. competition shows on this team.

I've already stated (if not on this thread) that the coaches and players are very different between the two teams so another Linsanity can't be expected (but don't rule out the possibility). I have seen him however on several teams after the Knicks make a huge difference between when he's on the floor and when he's off with a season long sample size. I've seen it again this season regardless of sample size. So I have hope.

[Prokorov]

OMG. You didn't even mention that Carmelo came back, refused to play the coach'es offense and that led to 8 straight losses. You also didn't mention Lin started every game since Linsanity happened and helped them to get into the playoffs. If you're going to tell a story please tell the whole story and don't imply everything changed for no reason.

you are spot on with the knicks... carmello came back and needed to be in the spotlight and couldnt handle linsanity getting attention and he pouted and the team took a nosedive.

That said, this is a very different situation. I fully expect us to improve... improve quite a bit with Lin back healthy. But i wouldnt anticipate a knicks like linsanity run, simply because that team was better. Tyson chandler gave you DPOTY type impact and an elite PnR finisher. we dont have either of those 2 things here. Defensively im not sure we can even be average, which will prevent that sort of run.

[Prokorov]

OMG. You didn't even mention that Carmelo came back, refused to play the coach'es offense and that led to 8 straight losses. You also didn't mention Lin started every game since Linsanity happened and helped them to get into the playoffs. If you're going to tell a story please tell the whole story and don't imply everything changed for no reason.

It's irrelevant. Team circumstances are different, talent level, standings and competition. Your using Linsanity to show because there was a win streak on the 2012 Knicks with an unknown player leading the charge that he can do so now. You need to look at what's different. Lin is very much game-planned for now and a known entity, he wasn't then. The talent level is different on the two teams, those Knicks and these Nets. The competition as well. I'm not going to rehash stuff about Melo, for what? Your argument on this topic that Lin can do it now because he did it in Linsanity isn't strong, nor is the 2-3 start with him enough to go on either. The long-time Net fans posting here look at the talent this year on this team, have an idea of Lin's talent, have an idea of the competition, and think wins will be hard to come by against teams of a certain caliber. If we get more than expected, great. But it makes sense not to expect more and be happy if we do than expect Lin to be some savior on a white horse that brings about more wins than the talent level vs. competition shows on this team.

I've already stated (if not on this thread) that the coaches and players are very different between the two teams so another Linsanity can't be expected (but don't rule out the possibility). I have seen him however on several teams after the Knicks make a huge difference between when he's on the floor and when he's off with a season long sample size. I've seen it again this season regardless of sample size. So I have hope.

I admire your optomism and wish i shared it... and hope im wrong.

i think lin makes a big difference. the problem is for us to be a 40-49 win team, we need an enormous difference. like adding lebron james type difference. I think lin takes us from by far worst talent in the league to having a punchers chance vs average teams and maybe approaching 30ish wins.

to go from 21 wins to playoffs, with how bad we are on defense, i think takes an MVP type of player.

[Pistolpete1947]

OMG. You didn't even mention that Carmelo came back, refused to play the coach'es offense and that led to 8 straight losses. You also didn't mention Lin started every game since Linsanity happened and helped them to get into the playoffs. If you're going to tell a story please tell the whole story and don't imply everything changed for no reason.

you are spot on with the knicks... carmello came back and needed to be in the spotlight and couldnt handle linsanity getting attention and he pouted and the team took a nosedive.

That said, this is a very different situation. I fully expect us to improve... improve quite a bit with Lin back healthy. But i wouldnt anticipate a knicks like linsanity run, simply because that team was better. Tyson chandler gave you DPOTY type impact and an elite PnR finisher. we dont have either of those 2 things here. Defensively im not sure we can even be average, which will prevent that sort of run.

Very true. The Knicks had 3 good defensive players : Chandler, Shumpert and Lin. Actually Landry Fields was decent also. Fact is the Knicks led the league in defense during Linsanity run. The offense though was primarily Lin and Chandler and others like Novak who were wide open when Lin penetrated. Anyhow the Nets are one of the worst defensive teams in the league so that is a big difference. However even though it's a small sample size we've already seen the difference when Lin plays.

On the other hand the Nets have a lot more offensive firepower (even without the PnR) than the Knicks had.

[ChokeFasncists]

Seriously, Foye has never been a good PG. He's adequate now as a combo guard or token starting SG.

Actually, come to think of it, Lin is probably the most important player on this team. Brook is the better scorer but his D and rebounding aren't particularly good whereas Lin contributes in a great variety of ways.

It's no shame to lose games with your most important player out. The Clippers game would have been a blow out loss if Blake played.

Let's just hope his hammy is fine and will be back soon 100%.

[gafun]

Do not let Booker dribble the ball, please

[gafun]

too bad we cannot trust PnR for now.

[gafun]

too bad we cannot trust PnR for now.

[gafun]

Do not let Booker dribble the ball, please

What i just said??