Official Trade Thread - Part XXXI

[Meliorus]

I really think an unprotected first in a draft of this caliber should be enough for a guy like Cousins. I doubt the Celtics would include any players with the Brooklyn pick if something got done. We should be able to just include a pick and filler for Cousins.

The value of picks is being overstated. We'd be LUCKY to get Cousins for our 2017 + 2018 + 2019 1st round picks. Brooklyn's pick has more value since that team will stay bad.

Well, that's BS, but those who worship Cousins will admit of no evidence to the contrary.

If he does get traded, you will be shocked that he doesn't bring anything like that kind of return.

I mean our lottery pick only netted us Markieff Morris, a pick that turned into a player who's currently in the D-League. You think teams haven't already offered Sacramento a mere 1st round pick for Boogie??

[payitforward]

The value of picks is being overstated. We'd be LUCKY to get Cousins for our 2017 + 2018 + 2019 1st round picks. Brooklyn's pick has more value since that team will stay bad.

Well, that's BS, but those who worship Cousins will admit of no evidence to the contrary.

If he does get traded, you will be shocked that he doesn't bring anything like that kind of return.

I mean our lottery pick only netted us Markieff Morris, a pick that turned into a player who's currently in the D-League. You think teams haven't already offered Sacramento a mere 1st round pick for Boogie??

I didn't suggest that we or anyone could trade one R1 pick for Cousins. What I said was that your statement...

We'd be LUCKY to get Cousins for our 2017 + 2018 + 2019 1st round picks.

...was BS. Which it is. Why don't we just watch and see whether he's traded and if so what he's traded for? We'll see who's right (me).

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Its looking increasingly likely that Millsap will be available at the deadline

definitely going to file that under a potential panic trade for grunfeld--offering our pick, albeit with protection

Top-15 protected ... YES.

[deneem4]

Wiz get
Kanter, wcs
Get a offenaive and defensive big

Thunder get
Gay, Smith,burke,
Get gay take on a bad contract lose Payne but get burke and some type of pick(s)

Kings get
Payne, crabbe, Vonleh,
Trades away some pieces but get some young pieces in return to build around cousins or follow up with a cousins trade

Blazers get
Gortat, cassipi, mclemore
Get out of crabbe contract keep the rest of their core while adding a top center and some shooters on the wings

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Need input on picks to make the trades work....
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Follow up with

Wiz get
Patterson, knight,
Why not?

Raptors get
Chandler, sefolosha
This what raptor fans want

Suns get
Mahinmi, nicholson pick (s)
Taking contracts but get out of knight and old Chandler get some good picks in return

Hawks get
Ross,
For an expiring sefolosha and humpries

Wall/sato
Beal/knight, McLellan
Porter/oubre
Morris/Patterson
Kanter/wcs/Humphries

Knight the perfect wall AND beal backup..should be good with sato... expensive but he can play the 1 and 2 and can be the go to off the bench

Morris Patterson Kanter Wcs a balanced front court mixed with defense and offense.. youthful as well...3 of 4 can hit the 3 Kanter an excellent rebounder Wcs has alot of defensive potential...gives the front court rotation we need
And yes I'm high on Wcs but his stats don't dissapoint

[deneem4]

What picks would make this trade work...^^^^^
Toronto can spare some
We can give up something
Maybe even Blazers can give 1

[pcbothwel]

What picks would make this trade work...^^^^^
Toronto can spare some
We can give up something
Maybe even Blazers can give 1

None, as I mentioned in the GB Brandon Knight thread:

Am I the only one who thinks Knight is TERRIBLE. I mean, what has he ever done in 6 years to prove to be worth anything more than a roster spot and possibly the MLE.

He has a Career ORtg/DRtg of 101/110, and is at 96/113 this year with a TS of 49%. Out of the 85 eligible point guards, ESPN has him LAST...yes, 85th, last.. with a ORPM/DRPM of -1.25 /-3.05.

Oh, and you get the luxury of paying this well below average player 14.5M over the next 4 years.

You have to include a pick and/or player just to get rid of him. He is a negative asset and it aint close.

Knight has shown to be no better than Burke

[deneem4]

What picks would make this trade work...^^^^^
Toronto can spare some
We can give up something
Maybe even Blazers can give 1

None, as I mentioned in the GB Brandon Knight thread:

Am I the only one who thinks Knight is TERRIBLE. I mean, what has he ever done in 6 years to prove to be worth anything more than a roster spot and possibly the MLE.

He has a Career ORtg/DRtg of 101/110, and is at 96/113 this year with a TS of 49%. Out of the 85 eligible point guards, ESPN has him LAST...yes, 85th, last.. with a ORPM/DRPM of -1.25 /-3.05.

Oh, and you get the luxury of paying this well below average player 14.5M over the next 4 years.

You have to include a pick and/or player just to get rid of him. He is a negative asset and it aint close.

Knight has shown to be no better than Burke

Knight has shown he can play he jus need the ball in his hand (bucks days) considering our 2nd unit had no creators he can take that job...
Burke isnt as aggressive I see knight in that sessions role

[Meliorus]

What picks would make this trade work...^^^^^
Toronto can spare some
We can give up something
Maybe even Blazers can give 1

None, as I mentioned in the GB Brandon Knight thread:

Am I the only one who thinks Knight is TERRIBLE. I mean, what has he ever done in 6 years to prove to be worth anything more than a roster spot and possibly the MLE.

He has a Career ORtg/DRtg of 101/110, and is at 96/113 this year with a TS of 49%. Out of the 85 eligible point guards, ESPN has him LAST...yes, 85th, last.. with a ORPM/DRPM of -1.25 /-3.05.

Oh, and you get the luxury of paying this well below average player 14.5M over the next 4 years.

You have to include a pick and/or player just to get rid of him. He is a negative asset and it aint close.

Knight has shown to be no better than Burke

Knight has shown he can play he jus need the ball in his hand (bucks days) considering our 2nd unit had no creators he can take that job...
Burke isnt as aggressive I see knight in that sessions role

Burke is not particularly quick and so much smaller than everything else, it's hard for him to do anything.

[dangermouse]

deneem, I feel as though Kings get screwed in that trade like a drunken prom date. 4 team trades are generally hard to co-ordinate and satisfy every team, that's probably why they are like hen's teeth in reality.

[deneem4]

deneem, I feel as though Kings get screwed in that trade like a drunken prom date. 4 team trades are generally hard to co-ordinate and satisfy every team, that's probably why they are like hen's teeth in reality.

You think so???

I saw it as crabbe and vonleh for Gay
Wcs for Payne
Cassipi and mclemore is filler
And they get some sort of pick as well maybe the cavs 1st or something

[Kings2013]

Well, that's BS, but those who worship Cousins will admit of no evidence to the contrary.

If he does get traded, you will be shocked that he doesn't bring anything like that kind of return.

I mean our lottery pick only netted us Markieff Morris, a pick that turned into a player who's currently in the D-League. You think teams haven't already offered Sacramento a mere 1st round pick for Boogie??

I didn't suggest that we or anyone could trade one R1 pick for Cousins. What I said was that your statement...

We'd be LUCKY to get Cousins for our 2017 + 2018 + 2019 1st round picks.

...was BS. Which it is. Why don't we just watch and see whether he's traded and if so what he's traded for? We'll see who's right (me).

I think the way to put this into perspective is what you'd expect for Wall. Would a random unprotected be enough for you?

We consider Boogie a top ten talent, who enjoys Sacramento who the team is at this point looking to build around

[Dat2U]

Its looking increasingly likely that Millsap will be available at the deadline

definitely going to file that under a potential panic trade for grunfeld--offering our pick, albeit with protection

Top-15 protected ... YES.

I'd hate to see it because Paul is 31 and he'd be a half a season rental but he's a really really good player. He's good enough to put us in the playoff mix. We'd arguably have the 2nd best starting 5 in the East. Sadly our bench would still suck though.

The good thing preventing a deal is we literally would have nothing the Hawks would want in return in terms of salary. The only way a trade would work if they took a Gortat or Mahinmi in return and/or took on the Nicholson/Smith contracts.

[nate33]

Its looking increasingly likely that Millsap will be available at the deadline

definitely going to file that under a potential panic trade for grunfeld--offering our pick, albeit with protection

Top-15 protected ... YES.

I'd hate to see it because Paul is 31 and he'd be a half a season rental but he's a really really good player. He's good enough to put us in the playoff mix. We'd arguably have the 2nd best starting 5 in the East. Sadly our bench would still suck though.

The good thing preventing a deal is we literally would have nothing the Hawks would want in return in terms of salary. The only way a trade would work if they took a Gortat or Mahinmi in return and/or took on the Nicholson/Smith contracts.

If we made the trade with Nicholson and Smith as the filler (we'd also have to include Burke and Thornton), I say it would help our bench too. Suddenly, Markieff Morris goes from being a poor starter to being one of the better backup PF's in the league. Mahinmi will come back eventually and hopefully be one of the best backup C's in the league. Oubre is developing nicely and should be an adequate if not above-average backup SF as the season wears on. That just leaves 2 positions, PG and SG, where our bench sucks, and maybe McClellan pans out to be an adequate backup SG.

[Dark Faze]

Its looking increasingly likely that Millsap will be available at the deadline

definitely going to file that under a potential panic trade for grunfeld--offering our pick, albeit with protection

Top-15 protected ... YES.

I'd hate to see it because Paul is 31 and he'd be a half a season rental but he's a really really good player. He's good enough to put us in the playoff mix. We'd arguably have the 2nd best starting 5 in the East. Sadly our bench would still suck though.

The good thing preventing a deal is we literally would have nothing the Hawks would want in return in terms of salary. The only way a trade would work if they took a Gortat or Mahinmi in return and/or took on the Nicholson/Smith contracts.

Well if they are tanking the Smith/Nicholson contracts don't really matter. They are low cost contracts--long yes, but if they are looking at a complete rebuild they won't be competitive until those contracts are set to expire anyway.

I'm torn on such a deal, but I think trading our pick for the right player is the only way out of the mess Ernie built for us. Again, can't stress it enough, it has to be for the right player, but just coasting and developing a young player--I don't know that I see that working out. Even if we were to draft a stud like Myles Turner, who was able to add majorly as early as his second year, being bad the remainder of this year, combined with being awful next year (due to no changes), just isn't very tenable. And neither is tearing it all down, as much as some of you may want to, it's not on the table with this FO. We have to look at realistic options.

[nate33]

What picks would make this trade work...^^^^^
Toronto can spare some
We can give up something
Maybe even Blazers can give 1

We get a steal. We lose Gortat but add both Kanter and WCS while also dumping Smith's contract. That's unrealistic.

[Jamaaliver]

You guys need to come to terms with trading John Wall.

It's inevitable...and it'll help your team long-term.

Orlando or Philly seem like viable trade partners.

[Dark Faze]

You guys need to come to terms with trading John Wall.

It's inevitable...and it'll help your team long-term.

Orlando or Philly seem like viable trade partners.

Tear it all down when the Cavs are an injury away from being extremely beatable and nobody else in the conference is even that impressive?

[Jamaaliver]

You guys need to come to terms with trading John Wall.

It's inevitable...and it'll help your team long-term.

Orlando or Philly seem like viable trade partners.

Tear it all down when the Cavs are an injury away from being extremely beatable and nobody else in the conference is even that impressive?

I mean no disrespect...but you're in 12th place. It's delusional to think that only LeBron stands between you and the NBA Finals. You guys have talent, but it's ill-fitting.

Beal and Wall aren't a great pairing and can't guarantee you a playoff berth.

What's the definition of insanity?

[Dark Faze]

You guys need to come to terms with trading John Wall.

It's inevitable...and it'll help your team long-term.

Orlando or Philly seem like viable trade partners.

Tear it all down when the Cavs are an injury away from being extremely beatable and nobody else in the conference is even that impressive?

I mean no disrespect...but you're in 12th place. It's delusional to think that only LeBron stands between you and the NBA Finals. You guys have talent, but it's ill-fitting.

Beal and Wall aren't a great pairing and can't guarantee you a playoff berth.

What's the definition of insanity?

kk

This is a team that not that long ago swept the 2nd best team in the east and that raptors team is not significantly different today. There are real and obvious reasons for the Wizards taking a down turn in the last couple of years--one being the decision to hold onto all of their cards and essentially tank a year by hoping to have enough salary for Kevin Durant, and then this year by using money to build a terrible bench.

None of this has anything to do with the core players. The core players can stop this team from being better than a 50 win team, but it's absolutely good enough to be a playoff team and be competitive in the playoffs. Attempts to fix our GM's issues need to be made before tearing the entire team down.

We're not like the Hawks. We don't have two core players like Horford and Millsap who seem to have had/have a clear interest in leaving. Our core guys are locked up.

[Jamaaliver]

kk

This is a team that not that long ago swept the 2nd best team in the east and that raptors team is not significantly different today. There are real and obvious reasons for the Wizards taking a down turn in the last couple of years--one being the decision to hold onto all of their cards and essentially tank a year by hoping to have enough salary for Kevin Durant, and then this year by using money to build a terrible bench.

None of this has anything to do with the core players. The core players can stop this team from being better than a 50 win team, but it's absolutely good enough to be a playoff team and be competitive in the playoffs. Attempts to fix our GM's issues need to be made before tearing the entire team down.

We're not like the Hawks. We don't have two core players like Horford and Millsap who seem to have had/have a clear interest in leaving. Our core guys are locked up.

I hear what you're saying. I respect it.

But if Wall's career season isn't good enough to even keep you as a .500 team...then this iteration isn't going to contend.

In the last 5 games Wall is avg 25 ppg and 12 apg. That's fantastic!!!

But your team went 2-3.

Wall's trade value is so high right now...you could rob some poor, desperate team for a plethora of players capable of helping your franchise long term. Or just swap him for another star player at a position of need. Otherwise...you're just wasting Wall's best years on a bad team. What's the point of that?

Just something to consider...