Official Trade Thread - Part XXXI

[Induveca]

I disagree. We took on Morris with his baggage and this definitely lowers DMC's asking price. It's no secret Wall wants to play with his buddy, and all indication is that Barnes was the assailant here. There is video, but not sure why DMC was looped in. I'd even take Gay and his lousy contract to make it work.

If you saw the TMZ video that was put out, you can clearly hear Cousins joking about how he punched someone. So it may just be Barnes problem for now, but DMC better hope there aren't additional witnesses called to court because it does not sound like he was totally innocent here.

Well, we don't know who threw the first punch. The guy probably had it coming.

This isn't the kind of thing that goes to trial. It either gets dismissed or settled. It's not even a criminal charge, the victim filed it as a civil complaint.

[Illmatic12]

If you saw the TMZ video that was put out, you can clearly hear Cousins joking about how he punched someone. So it may just be Barnes problem for now, but DMC better hope there aren't additional witnesses called to court because it does not sound like he was totally innocent here.

Well, we don't know who threw the first punch. The guy probably had it coming.

This isn't the kind of thing that goes to trial. It either gets dismissed or settled. It's not even a criminal charge, the victim filed it as a civil complaint.

Yeah the worst that would happen is Barnes and/or Cousins having to pay a settlement.

But if the details come out and the witnesses testify that Cousins did indeed punch a guy outside of a bar, that would be unspeakably bad PR for a guy like him, given the perceptions people already have about his on-court persona.

[JWizmentality]

If you saw the TMZ video that was put out, you can clearly hear Cousins joking about how he punched someone. So it may just be Barnes problem for now, but DMC better hope there aren't additional witnesses called to court because it does not sound like he was totally innocent here.

Well, we don't know who threw the first punch. The guy probably had it coming.

This isn't the kind of thing that goes to trial. It either gets dismissed or settled. It's not even a criminal charge, the victim filed it as a civil complaint.

Even better. All I care about is lowered trade value.

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Tear it all down when the Cavs are an injury away from being extremely beatable and nobody else in the conference is even that impressive?

I mean no disrespect...but you're in 12th place. It's delusional to think that only LeBron stands between you and the NBA Finals. You guys have talent, but it's ill-fitting.

Beal and Wall aren't a great pairing and can't guarantee you a playoff berth.

What's the definition of insanity?

kk

This is a team that not that long ago swept the 2nd best team in the east and that raptors team is not significantly different today. There are real and obvious reasons for the Wizards taking a down turn in the last couple of years--one being the decision to hold onto all of their cards and essentially tank a year by hoping to have enough salary for Kevin Durant, and then this year by using money to build a terrible bench.

None of this has anything to do with the core players. The core players can stop this team from being better than a 50 win team, but it's absolutely good enough to be a playoff team and be competitive in the playoffs. Attempts to fix our GM's issues need to be made before tearing the entire team down.

We're not like the Hawks. We don't have two core players like Horford and Millsap who seem to have had/have a clear interest in leaving. Our core guys are locked up.

I don't know that we should trade John Wall, but for the rest, Faze, I agree that you're being delusional. For starters, no, this is *not* "a team that not that long ago swept the 2nd best team in the east." It's a team with the same name, yes, but not the same team. Moreover that was almost 2 years ago -- yes, that's pretty long ago in NBA time.

We're 7-13, and 11 of those games have been at home. 4 of our 7 wins have been against some of the worst teams in the league. The Cavs could lose every game the rest of the way and we still wouldn't be in the playoffs. Our 5-6 home record projects to 18 home wins. Our 2-7 road record projects to 8 or 9 road wins. We suck.

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If Cousins is due for a big fat suspension, then this might make the trade even better - provided we don't include the 2017 first round pick.

Make it Bradley Beal, Nicholson plus the 2018 1st for Cousins and Temple. Then trade Gortat to Boston for the 2019 Memphis pick and Amir Johnson. Then have Cousins sit out 25 games because of suspension while we tank. Next year, we add a top 8 draft pick. In 2019, we'll have the Memphis pick which will probably be a lotto pick.

But... can't we make them take Smith as well? Please.....?

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I would say that these two remarks:

Well, we don't know who threw the first punch. The guy probably had it coming.

and

...All I care about is lowered trade value.

probably suffice to indicate that you may not be sensible enough to comment usefully on a subject as serious (i.e. not) as an NBA trade.

[gambitx777]

here is what I would do. Mahinmi and an unprotected 2018 first round pick make the offer for DC and let them do what they will with it. Trading beal and gortat or kellp or otto or what ever does not make our team better at all. trading mahinmi does. Maybe toss in kelly for caspi but hold fast at mahinmi and the unprotected 2018 first. Be willing to walk away. Gortat would be the perfect bench center, get him on board and we can mak this team that much better. Imagine a Wall, beal, otto, Morris, Boogie starting 5 with gortat on the bench makes us way better. The we take what ever we have left and make a play for Knight, stuckey, or someone of that nature to boost our PG position. Give Tomas another chance at sg and see if McEllen can step up. or call lance stephenson and hope for the best. if we don't blow all our ammo on those trades we can try trading for Illyasolva. But either way if we trade for boggie and want to get better we can not in any way trade beal or gortat.

[Kings2013]

And Cousins just officially went full toxic if true, no way Leonsis (or anyone until this is resolved) even considers a deal. However I suspect Sacramento's asking price just plummeted.

http://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/news/2016/12/8/two-nba-players-being-sued-for-alleged-attack-at-manhattan-nightclub.html

Since they were sued in civil court, and no warrant issued......the victims are obviously looking for an out of court settlement. Cousins/Barnes are going to get fleeced if there was video.

This will likely be a magical "mistaken identity" after an under the table/sealed settlement is made. Also, great job signing Matt Barnes Sacramento, the chemistry between Cousins/him wasn't worth a risk/reward analysis apparently.

I disagree. We took on Morris with his baggage and this definitely lowers DMC's asking price. It's no secret Wall wants to play with his buddy, and all indication is that Barnes was the assailant here. There is video, but not sure why DMC was looped in. I'd even take Gay and his lousy contract to make it work.

Gay is a top 10 SF on a good contract. Beal is the questionable contract

[JWizmentality]

I would say that these two remarks:

Well, we don't know who threw the first punch. The guy probably had it coming.

and

...All I care about is lowered trade value.

probably suffice to indicate that you may not be sensible enough to comment usefully on a subject as serious (i.e. not) as an NBA trade.

Suffice to say if you had been following the conversation you would have been able to pick up on tongue in cheek humor, but you may not be sensible enough it figure it out.

[nate33]

If Cousins is due for a big fat suspension, then this might make the trade even better - provided we don't include the 2017 first round pick.

Make it Bradley Beal, Nicholson plus the 2018 1st for Cousins and Temple. Then trade Gortat to Boston for the 2019 Memphis pick and Amir Johnson. Then have Cousins sit out 25 games because of suspension while we tank. Next year, we add a top 8 draft pick. In 2019, we'll have the Memphis pick which will probably be a lotto pick.

But... can't we make them take Smith as well? Please.....?

Smith has a smaller, shorter contract. I'd rather keep him and dump Nicholson.

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I would say that these two remarks:

Well, we don't know who threw the first punch. The guy probably had it coming.

and

...All I care about is lowered trade value.

probably suffice to indicate that you may not be sensible enough to comment usefully on a subject as serious (i.e. not) as an NBA trade.

Suffice to say if you had been following the conversation you would have been able to pick up on tongue in cheek humor, but you may not be sensible enough it figure it out.

Good point -- glad you just made it up.

[payitforward]

If Cousins is due for a big fat suspension, then this might make the trade even better - provided we don't include the 2017 first round pick.

Make it Bradley Beal, Nicholson plus the 2018 1st for Cousins and Temple. Then trade Gortat to Boston for the 2019 Memphis pick and Amir Johnson. Then have Cousins sit out 25 games because of suspension while we tank. Next year, we add a top 8 draft pick. In 2019, we'll have the Memphis pick which will probably be a lotto pick.

But... can't we make them take Smith as well? Please.....?

Smith has a smaller, shorter contract. I'd rather keep him and dump Nicholson.

Agreed, but... I did say "as well."

[deneem4]

here is what I would do. Mahinmi and an unprotected 2018 first round pick make the offer for DC and let them do what they will with it. Trading beal and gortat or kellp or otto or what ever does not make our team better at all. trading mahinmi does. Maybe toss in kelly for caspi but hold fast at mahinmi and the unprotected 2018 first. Be willing to walk away. Gortat would be the perfect bench center, get him on board and we can mak this team that much better. Imagine a Wall, beal, otto, Morris, Boogie starting 5 with gortat on the bench makes us way better. The we take what ever we have left and make a play for Knight, stuckey, or someone of that nature to boost our PG position. Give Tomas another chance at sg and see if McEllen can step up. or call lance stephenson and hope for the best. if we don't blow all our ammo on those trades we can try trading for Illyasolva. But either way if we trade for boggie and want to get better we can not in any way trade beal or gortat.

Gortat can go...
Oubre can't morris is cheap...

Il do 2 unprotected 1st for cousins
I haven't attempted a cousins trade give me a sec

[Meliorus]

Wouldn't mind taking Kenneth Faried off of Denver's hands if they're not going to play him. He could be a high-energy guy in the starting lineup to catch lobs from Wall. Markieff could move to the bench and be a spark plug.

[JWizmentality]

I would say that these two remarks:


and

probably suffice to indicate that you may not be sensible enough to comment usefully on a subject as serious (i.e. not) as an NBA trade.

Suffice to say if you had been following the conversation you would have been able to pick up on tongue in cheek humor, but you may not be sensible enough it figure it out.

Good point -- glad you just made it up.

I suppose in today's environment it's hard to tell when someone isn't being serious.

[nate33]

here is what I would do. Mahinmi and an unprotected 2018 first round pick make the offer for DC and let them do what they will with it. Trading beal and gortat or kellp or otto or what ever does not make our team better at all. trading mahinmi does. Maybe toss in kelly for caspi but hold fast at mahinmi and the unprotected 2018 first. Be willing to walk away. Gortat would be the perfect bench center, get him on board and we can mak this team that much better. Imagine a Wall, beal, otto, Morris, Boogie starting 5 with gortat on the bench makes us way better. The we take what ever we have left and make a play for Knight, stuckey, or someone of that nature to boost our PG position. Give Tomas another chance at sg and see if McEllen can step up. or call lance stephenson and hope for the best. if we don't blow all our ammo on those trades we can try trading for Illyasolva. But either way if we trade for boggie and want to get better we can not in any way trade beal or gortat.

Gortat can go...
Oubre can't morris is cheap...

Agreed. On a team with Cousins, it's much more important to have Oubre as a 25-30 minute per game backup forward, than Gortat as a 12 minute per game backup center. And that doesn't even factor their respective ages. Give me the 21 year old instead of the 32 year old.

[gambitx777]

Gortat can go...
Oubre can't morris is cheap...

Agreed. On a team with Cousins, it's much more important to have Oubre as a 25-30 minute per game backup forward, than Gortat as a 12 minute per game backup center. And that doesn't even factor their respective ages. Give me the 21 year old instead of the 32 year old.[/quote]
well I am going off the principal of whats the teams main issue? bench! how do you fix benches find fringe starters and make them bench players or find good bench players.
I agree with you keep Oubre and morris. Get the deal done with mahinmi and picks if you can. Hell I would give them a 2018 and 2020 unprotected pick if they took that deal. Get gortat to buy in and you have Boggie and Gortat as your two only playing centers, Gortat would be so good aginst bench units its not even funny. But im just saying any deal not involving our starting 5 for boggie makes us better. Gortat and smit/nicholson and a 2018 first or mahnnmi and 2018 and 2020 id be fine with. both make the team better but the mahnnmi deal makes us way better, although rethinking it them we could maybe deal mahinmi in another trade for a lower level back up center and an upgrade at PG like mahinmi to the sun in a trade for knight/chandler and maybe chriss for mahinmi smith and burke for a future first unprotected and a second. or something like that so in that case sure I would be fine with all that. we could also turn around and trade gortat out again if we really had or wanted to.

[Kings2013]

here is what I would do. Mahinmi and an unprotected 2018 first round pick make the offer for DC and let them do what they will with it. Trading beal and gortat or kellp or otto or what ever does not make our team better at all. trading mahinmi does. Maybe toss in kelly for caspi but hold fast at mahinmi and the unprotected 2018 first. Be willing to walk away. Gortat would be the perfect bench center, get him on board and we can mak this team that much better. Imagine a Wall, beal, otto, Morris, Boogie starting 5 with gortat on the bench makes us way better. The we take what ever we have left and make a play for Knight, stuckey, or someone of that nature to boost our PG position. Give Tomas another chance at sg and see if McEllen can step up. or call lance stephenson and hope for the best. if we don't blow all our ammo on those trades we can try trading for Illyasolva. But either way if we trade for boggie and want to get better we can not in any way trade beal or gortat.

Any trade that Cousins is involved in (he isn't on the table) theoretically will potentially make the Kings better

[gambitx777]

Any trade that Cousins is involved in (he isn't on the table) theoretically will potentially make the Kings better

Boggie is on the table more than you think.

[deneem4]

Another ridiculous huge trade

Wizards trade
Gortat, sato, mahinmi, smith17and 19 1st unprotected 17 2nd
Wizards get
Cousins, evans, asik

Wiz get cousins

King trades
Cousins, cassipi, wcs, gay
Kings get
Aldridge, hill, sato, smith, anderson wiz 17 1st, wiz 19 1st both unpro

Kings remain competitive gets unprotected picks and some youth

Spurs trade
Aldridge, green, Anderson
Spurs get
Ibaka, Hield, gortat,

(If ibaka agree to extension)
Ibaka and hield are perfect compliments to kawhi...gortat helps keep Pau rested Simmons steps up

Magic trade
Ibaka
Magic get
Gay

They need more scoring...balances out the team

Pelicans trade
Hield, asik, Evans, hill,
Pelicans get
Green, cassipi, mahinmi, wcs, wiz 2017nd

Get Davis some real depth green and holiday is a strong backcourt wcs, mahinmi would be a great compliment to davis...