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Re: Official Thread -- Game 21: Nuggets (8-14) @ Wizards (7-13) - 7:00 PM ET 

Post#101 » by FAH1223 » Fri Dec 9, 2016 4:48 pm

We should have kept Nene.

1 year deal at $6M would have gotten it done.

What a terrible acquisition Mahinmi is.
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Post#102 » by TGW » Fri Dec 9, 2016 4:49 pm

FAH1223 wrote:We should have kept Nene.

1 year deal at $6M would have gotten it done.

What a terrible acquisition Mahinmi is.


I don't think Nene wanted to be here anymore. Being a part of this franchise is draining.
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Re: Official Thread -- Game 21: Nuggets (8-14) @ Wizards (7-13) - 7:00 PM ET 

Post#103 » by tontoz » Fri Dec 9, 2016 5:38 pm

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I am quickly getting sick of Morris. He is averaging only 6.3 rebounds per 36. He shoots poorly (50% TS for a big) and way too often. What a waste of a first round pick.


Kief was important offensively last night in the third quarter. He made some tough shots when the Zards were behind and needed to score.



Sure you can pick out a quarter here and there when he shoots well but he loves midrange shots and shoots them horribly.

He is taking 4.5 shots per game from 10-22 feet while shooting them at 35.6%.

http://bkref.com/tiny/caEQh
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Re: Official Thread -- Game 21: Nuggets (8-14) @ Wizards (7-13) - 7:00 PM ET 

Post#104 » by nate33 » Fri Dec 9, 2016 6:03 pm

tontoz wrote:
DCZards wrote:
tontoz wrote:
I am quickly getting sick of Morris. He is averaging only 6.3 rebounds per 36. He shoots poorly (50% TS for a big) and way too often. What a waste of a first round pick.


Kief was important offensively last night in the third quarter. He made some tough shots when the Zards were behind and needed to score.



Sure you can pick out a quarter here and there when he shoots well but he loves midrange shots and shoots them horribly.

He is taking 4.5 shots per game from 10-22 feet while shooting them at 35.6%.

http://bkref.com/tiny/caEQh

Morris doesn't seem to do any of the smart things that make the game easier. He doesn't move without the ball and find open seams like Porter does, so too many of his shots end up being in isolation with a defender contesting. He's actually a pretty skilled offensive player and I wouldn't be surprised if his FG% on contested midrange shots is actually pretty good, it's just that he takes way too many of them and not enough easy shots. Likewise, on defense, he does the hard things pretty well. He's a good man defender who will fight in the post to maintain position. But he doesn't do the mental things well. He's slow to rotate and has poor defensive awareness (which also impacts his rebounding).

At his age, I doubt that he's going to get much better at these things. He's either not too bright, doesn't listen to coaches, or he simply lacks the general instincts and court awareness necessary for good team basketball.
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Post#105 » by BealsLegs » Fri Dec 9, 2016 6:12 pm

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Illmatic12 wrote:So Mahinmi is really the next Nene.. except without the badass dreadlocks


.. except without the scoring.

Also, by this time in the season Nene would have had a few injury setbacks and appeared in 14 games.

Mahinmi has appeared for a total of 14 minutes.

nah he the next alan anderson, nene at least played every few games than took a few more off this dude been rocking a suit 99.9% of the season so far :lol:
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Post#106 » by dobrojim » Fri Dec 9, 2016 6:56 pm

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Ruzious wrote:Wiz did play good D... in the second half - but not sure they can take full credit for Denver turning the ball over 29 times and shooting as poorly as they did from the perimeter. Not to mention, Jameer Nelson is a poor excuse for a PG - they really need Mudiay back. With all that, it shouldn't have been a close game - if we were a good team.


Nelson played well and John was out of rhythm on his jumper most of the night. I don't think Mudiay would have closed the gap in PG play all that much.

The Nuggets were pretty much who they are last night. They are a lousy shooting team that is dominant on the glass and turns the ball over a ton. They were also on the second night of a back to back. Wasn't really anything out of the ordinary about last night. We just outplayed them.

Denver has a good bench. They can really wear you out with their size. All those big identical looking Euros.


What happened to Faried? I saw him. I thought he was dressed out. But he didn't play that I can remember.
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Re: Official Thread -- Game 21: Nuggets (8-14) @ Wizards (7-13) - 7:00 PM ET 

Post#107 » by tontoz » Fri Dec 9, 2016 7:18 pm

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What happened to Faried? I saw him. I thought he was dressed out. But he didn't play that I can remember.



Buck said he was DNP coach's decision.
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Post#108 » by Ruzious » Fri Dec 9, 2016 7:25 pm

tontoz wrote:
dobrojim wrote:
What happened to Faried? I saw him. I thought he was dressed out. But he didn't play that I can remember.



Buck said he was DNP coach's decision.

It's a "numbers game". http://bsndenver.com/kenneth-faried-healthy-but-didnt-play-in-the-nuggets-latest-loss-so-now-what/
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Post#109 » by Ruzious » Fri Dec 9, 2016 7:26 pm

stevemcqueen1 wrote:
Ruzious wrote:Wiz did play good D... in the second half - but not sure they can take full credit for Denver turning the ball over 29 times and shooting as poorly as they did from the perimeter. Not to mention, Jameer Nelson is a poor excuse for a PG - they really need Mudiay back. With all that, it shouldn't have been a close game - if we were a good team.


Nelson played well and John was out of rhythm on his jumper most of the night. I don't think Mudiay would have closed the gap in PG play all that much.

The Nuggets were pretty much who they are last night. They are a lousy shooting team that is dominant on the glass and turns the ball over a ton. They were also on the second night of a back to back. Wasn't really anything out of the ordinary about last night. We just outplayed them.

Denver has a good bench. They can really wear you out with their size. All those big identical looking Euros.

Welp, the best I can say about Nelson is that he plays within his numerous limitations.
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Post#110 » by montestewart » Fri Dec 9, 2016 7:29 pm

nate33 wrote:
tontoz wrote:
DCZards wrote:
Kief was important offensively last night in the third quarter. He made some tough shots when the Zards were behind and needed to score.



Sure you can pick out a quarter here and there when he shoots well but he loves midrange shots and shoots them horribly.

He is taking 4.5 shots per game from 10-22 feet while shooting them at 35.6%.

http://bkref.com/tiny/caEQh

Morris doesn't seem to do any of the smart things that make the game easier. He doesn't move without the ball and find open seams like Porter does, so too many of his shots end up being in isolation with a defender contesting. He's actually a pretty skilled offensive player and I wouldn't be surprised if his FG% on contested midrange shots is actually pretty good, it's just that he takes way too many of them and not enough easy shots. Likewise, on defense, he does the hard things pretty well. He's a good man defender who will fight in the post to maintain position. But he doesn't do the mental things well. He's slow to rotate and has poor defensive awareness (which also impacts his rebounding).

At his age, I doubt that he's going to get much better at these things. He's either not too bright, doesn't listen to coaches, or he simply lacks the general instincts and court awareness necessary for good team basketball.

The things he is currently criticized for--poor help/team defense, poor shot selection, weak rebounding--were mentioned as concerns at the time of his acquisition, even by a few Suns fans. Statistically, he is having one of his worst seasons. Maybe he'll move closer to his career norms as the season plays out, or maybe this is the beginning of a decline. What if he just lacks the discipline to adjust his game when he can no longer rely on old instinct and athleticism?
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Re: Official Thread -- Game 21: Nuggets (8-14) @ Wizards (7-13) - 7:00 PM ET 

Post#111 » by NatP4 » Fri Dec 9, 2016 8:08 pm

Can we just attach gortat and 7 million draft picks and go get Nerlens Noel
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Re: Official Thread -- Game 21: Nuggets (8-14) @ Wizards (7-13) - 7:00 PM ET 

Post#112 » by DANNYLANDOVER » Fri Dec 9, 2016 8:36 pm

NatP4 wrote:Can we just attach gortat and 7 million draft picks and go get Nerlens Noel

No
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Post#113 » by nuposse04 » Fri Dec 9, 2016 8:58 pm

I kind of think we need to start Oubre at this point. Porter can man the 4 to begin the game and then get spot SF mins later. We would still have plenty of length I believe with a Wall-Beal-Oubre-Porter-Gortat unit.

If Ian ever gets healthy I'd be interested in seeing a Tomas-Thornton-McLellen-Morris-Ian bench.

I still don't know how or why Jason Smith is the preferred choice to Ochefu -___-
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Post#114 » by NatP4 » Fri Dec 9, 2016 10:41 pm

nuposse04 wrote:I kind of think we need to start Oubre at this point. Porter can man the 4 to begin the game and then get spot SF mins later. We would still have plenty of length I believe with a Wall-Beal-Oubre-Porter-Gortat unit.

If Ian ever gets healthy I'd be interested in seeing a Tomas-Thornton-McLellen-Morris-Ian bench.

I still don't know how or why Jason Smith is the preferred choice to Ochefu -___-


I like this, except McClellan over Thornton and just play Oubre starters minutes along with keef.

9 man rotation until they make some sort of panic trade for some washed up vet
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Post#115 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Sat Dec 10, 2016 12:08 am

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