Charlotte Hornets History Thread

[fatlever]

I reckon that Kemba's longevity will eventually be more impressive than LJ's greatness. As for your starting five, how many beers in you would have be to take Kenny Gattison over Mourning due to his longer time with the franchise?

LOL the GatMan? At least a 12 pack. Hell, I'd put Cody over Gatman.

Haha, come on... You love the GatMan!

Who doesn't love 6'8" back-up centers who can't shoot jumpers, protect the rim, or catch lobs? The 80s and 90s, that's who.

[LamarMatic7]

All Hornets Franchise 2nd Team gets a little muddy because you then you really have to choose between longevity or peak or even worse, two players who were here only a couple of years.
Muggsy Bogues or Baron Davis
Dell Curry or Eddie Jones or David Wesley
Jamal Mashburn or Stephen Jackson or Jason Richardson or Nic Batum or MKG
Anthony Mason or PJ Brown or Marvin Williams or Boris Diaw
Emeka Okafor or Vlade Divac or Al Jefferson

My personal choices would be:

Muggsy Bogues
Dell Curry
Stephen Jackson (geez.. absolutely no longevity for this position. just guys with 1.5 or 2 seasons. chose Jax just due to my personal bias. I think Kendall Gill deserved a nomination or even the spot itself here, Fats.)
Anthony Mason
Al Jefferson

man.. we really have a lot of borderline All-Stars in the history of the franchise who were here only for two seasons. if MKG and Zeller stay with the team for like seven seasons and are a part of the starting lineup that wins like two playoff series, they will have a serious argument for the 2nd Team.

[LamarMatic7]

LOL the GatMan? At least a 12 pack. Hell, I'd put Cody over Gatman.

Haha, come on... You love the GatMan!

Who doesn't love 6'8" back-up centers who can't shoot jumpers, protect the rim, or catch lobs? The 80s and 90s, that's who.

I have an 18&10 game by Gattison up my sleeve that I'll do highlights for when I have some free time off the current season.

[fatlever]

All Hornets Franchise 2nd Team gets a little muddy because you then you really have to choose between longevity or peak or even worse, two players who were here only a couple of years.
Muggsy Bogues or Baron Davis
Dell Curry or Eddie Jones or David Wesley
Jamal Mashburn or Stephen Jackson or Jason Richardson or Nic Batum or MKG
Anthony Mason or PJ Brown or Marvin Williams or Boris Diaw
Emeka Okafor or Vlade Divac or Al Jefferson

My personal choices would be:

Muggsy Bogues
Dell Curry
Stephen Jackson (geez.. absolutely no longevity for this position. just guys with 1.5 or 2 seasons. chose Jax just due to my personal bias. I think Kendall Gill deserved a nomination or even the spot itself here, Fats.)
Anthony Mason
Al Jefferson

man.. we really have a lot of borderline All-Stars in the history of the franchise who were here only for two seasons. if MKG and Zeller stay with the team for like seven seasons and are a part of the starting lineup that wins like two playoff series, they will have a serious argument for the 2nd Team.

I forgot about Gill. Good call.

I'd still go Mashburn over the others. His best season is still near the top of best ever seasons by a Hornet.

[LamarMatic7]

All Hornets Franchise 2nd Team gets a little muddy because you then you really have to choose between longevity or peak or even worse, two players who were here only a couple of years.
Muggsy Bogues or Baron Davis
Dell Curry or Eddie Jones or David Wesley
Jamal Mashburn or Stephen Jackson or Jason Richardson or Nic Batum or MKG
Anthony Mason or PJ Brown or Marvin Williams or Boris Diaw
Emeka Okafor or Vlade Divac or Al Jefferson

My personal choices would be:

Muggsy Bogues
Dell Curry
Stephen Jackson (geez.. absolutely no longevity for this position. just guys with 1.5 or 2 seasons. chose Jax just due to my personal bias. I think Kendall Gill deserved a nomination or even the spot itself here, Fats.)
Anthony Mason
Al Jefferson

man.. we really have a lot of borderline All-Stars in the history of the franchise who were here only for two seasons. if MKG and Zeller stay with the team for like seven seasons and are a part of the starting lineup that wins like two playoff series, they will have a serious argument for the 2nd Team.

I forgot about Gill. Good call.

I'd still go Mashburn over the others. His best season is still near the top of best ever seasons by a Hornet.

yeah, I guess so.. the fact that he played only 40 games in his second season deterred me. but the best player from the 2000-01 team probably deserves to be on the second team at least.

[fatlever]

How many games does this team win in 2016-17

PG: Kemba Walker / Muggsy Bogues / Tony Bennett
SG: Glen Rice / Dell Curry / Cory Higgins
SF: Gerald Wallace / Kidd-Gilchrist / Scott Burrell
PF: Larry Johnson / Boris Diaw / Byron Mullens
C: Alonzo Mourning / Emeka Okafor / Kenny Gattison

Coached by Clifford

[Braggins]

Thats a pretty sick team. Im going with 60+.

[GlenRiceARoni]

Not much spacing. LJ really shot 3s the years the line was moved closer. Wallace was a great power forward and this allows us to go small. Zo would be a force but not utilizing his post offense/defense much would make him a lesser player. Rice would be awesome and obviously curry would be much better suited for this era. I think optimally you'd sit LJ and get curry/rice on the wings and slide Wallace to pf.

As LJ is probably my 2nd all time favorite player that really pains me to say but he was primarily a post player as a hornet and that wouldn't really fly today. Zo and LJ played in optimal eras for their skillset.

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[GlenRiceARoni]

Oh and I appreciate the Cory Higgins and Byron Mullens jokes. Man those guys sucked.

In nba showdown for super Nintendo Tony Bennett is absolutely unstoppable I can score 100+ with him.

There has to be a spot for mash burn on this team. Eddie Jones as well. Baron Davis obviously. I'd actually leave Scottie Burrell as he was a terrific shooter. After Curry left the Hornets he was the guy everyone picked in the 3rd quarter 3 point contest for the Winn Dixie $1,000 gift card.

I think tripucka makes thiis squad as a consummate pro. I love Kenny "Sax by the Fire" G but I gotta go with BIG HOMIE Elden Campbell or Vlade for his passing and spacing. Though I was a matt Geiger fan. Anyone but zidek please.

David Wesley gotta be the 3rd PG he could gun and also play the off guard spot. Anthony goldwire for the irrational confidence off the bench heat check guy.


Darn I forgot Jason Richardson. And Sean may for the IR spot. Grrrrr coulda had Chris Paul




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[fatlever]

Oh and I appreciate the Cory Higgins and Byron Mullens jokes. Man those guys sucked.

In nba showdown for super Nintendo Tony Bennett is absolutely unstoppable I can score 100+ with him.

There has to be a spot for mash burn on this team. Eddie Jones as well. Baron Davis obviously. I'd actually leave Scottie Burrell as he was a terrific shooter. After Curry left the Hornets he was the guy everyone picked in the 3rd quarter 3 point contest for the Winn Dixie $1,000 gift card.

I think tripucka makes thiis squad as a consummate pro. I love Kenny "Sax by the Fire" G but I gotta go with BIG HOMIE Elden Campbell or Vlade for his passing and spacing. Though I was a matt Geiger fan. Anyone but zidek please.

David Wesley gotta be the 3rd PG he could gun and also play the off guard spot. Anthony goldwire for the irrational confidence off the bench heat check guy.


Darn I forgot Jason Richardson. And Sean may for the IR spot. Grrrrr coulda had Chris Paul




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That team I posted wasn't my All-Time Hornets Team, just a collection of Hornets that made a semi-realistic roster of a current team that could compete with the top 4 teams in the league. I tried to keep the 1st team as my best starting 5, the 2nd unit as a team that was filled with guys who you could conceivably see as 2nd unit guys on a top 4 team, and the 3rd team filled with the jokes of Hornets past - Bennett, Mullens and Higgins - plus two great utility guys in Burrell and Gattison.

The All-Time Hornets Team definitely has Baron, Mash, Jones and Wesley included - as well as Mason, Divac and maybe Jrich, Batum. or SJax.

As for the spacing of that team, you'd have to hope that in a current league LJ could be swayed to practice and take a few more 3s (similar to what he was doing a little later in his career with the Knicks). Hell, I could even see Mourning hitting a 3 every other game. He was solid out to 20 feet. No reason to think he couldn't have moved back a few feet if pressed by his coaches.

Having Crash definitely give the team some flexibility to go smaller and move him to PF for stretches, and play with more shooters by adding Dell, but I'd save that move for in-game rather than from the tip. You could also just bring Dell in early for Crash and run Rice at the SF to add more shooting. Kemba, Dell, Rice would be a NASTY 3pt shooting group.

I think this team is at least as good as the current Spurs and Clippers and could push the Cavs in a series.

[Flip Murray]

Oh and I appreciate the Cory Higgins and Byron Mullens jokes. Man those guys sucked.

In nba showdown for super Nintendo Tony Bennett is absolutely unstoppable I can score 100+ with him.

There has to be a spot for mash burn on this team. Eddie Jones as well. Baron Davis obviously. I'd actually leave Scottie Burrell as he was a terrific shooter. After Curry left the Hornets he was the guy everyone picked in the 3rd quarter 3 point contest for the Winn Dixie $1,000 gift card.

I think tripucka makes thiis squad as a consummate pro. I love Kenny "Sax by the Fire" G but I gotta go with BIG HOMIE Elden Campbell or Vlade for his passing and spacing. Though I was a matt Geiger fan. Anyone but zidek please.

David Wesley gotta be the 3rd PG he could gun and also play the off guard spot. Anthony goldwire for the irrational confidence off the bench heat check guy.


Darn I forgot Jason Richardson. And Sean may for the IR spot. Grrrrr coulda had Chris Paul




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That team I posted wasn't my All-Time Hornets Team, just a collection of Hornets that made a semi-realistic roster of a current team that could compete with the top 4 teams in the league. I tried to keep the 1st team as my best starting 5, the 2nd unit as a team that was filled with guys who you could conceivably see as 2nd unit guys on a top 4 team, and the 3rd team filled with the jokes of Hornets past - Bennett, Mullens and Higgins - plus two great utility guys in Burrell and Gattison.

The All-Time Hornets Team definitely has Baron, Mash, Jones and Wesley included - as well as Mason, Divac and maybe Jrich, Batum. or SJax.

As for the spacing of that team, you'd have to hope that in a current league LJ could be swayed to practice and take a few more 3s (similar to what he was doing a little later in his career with the Knicks). Hell, I could even see Mourning hitting a 3 every other game. He was solid out to 20 feet. No reason to think he couldn't have moved back a few feet if pressed by his coaches.

Having Crash definitely give the team some flexibility to go smaller and move him to PF for stretches, and play with more shooters by adding Dell, but I'd save that move for in-game rather than from the tip. You could also just bring Dell in early for Crash and run Rice at the SF to add more shooting. Kemba, Dell, Rice would be a NASTY 3pt shooting group.

I think this team is at least as good as the current Spurs and Clippers and could push the Cavs in a series.

Is that preem boris diaw or diaw that played for us?

[fatlever]

That's Boris from 2008-09 when he averaged 15/6/5 for us. He was pretty good that year.

[LamarMatic7]

and the 3rd team filled with the jokes of Hornets past - Bennett, Mullens and Higgins - plus two great utility guys in Burrell and Gattison.

I'm sure Ralph Lewis is very pissed off at you right now, Fats. To call him your favorite garbage time star ever and then turn around and put Cory Higgins on this team!? Despicable.

[LamarMatic7]

and, oh, a Cory Higgins update is needed. The best Latvian team, VEF Riga, are visiting Moscow to play CSKA tomorrow. Took a look at how Higgins is doing and he still has very respectable numbers.

9.4ppg (50.8 FG%, 45.0 3P%), 2.4rpg and 2.0apg in 20.3mpg in Euroleague, the best competition in Europe, and it is about the same as last year (only difference is that last season he actually had shooting splits of 50-54-82!!!).

playing alongside European greats like Milos Teodosic and Nando De Colo (Jeff Ayres has already been let go, James Augustine, Kyle Hines and someone called Aaron Jackson are the other American imports) for one of the three or four best clubs in Europe.

not too shabby. I certainly wouldn't have expected this. but then again.. it's sometimes hard to tell which Americans will thrive in Europe. some decent NBA players go and then struggle there.

[amcoolio]

I would move LJ to the bench for Dell Curry. Rice can play SF, Wallace PF in the MKG role.

Okafor plays the Hawes role/spot minutes. Bench unit bigs are LJ and Boris.

If the team is healthy, and in their prime, at least 55 wins. Probably 60.

[GlenRiceARoni]

I'd say 65 easily. The depth would make them a nightmare for 2nd units to deal with. They'd be a lesser team in the playoffs when benches invariably shorten.

But I mean we are gonna win 50 with kemba and, kemba and, kemba and... *crickets*

Those other guys are all stars and borderline Allstars.

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[fatlever]

and the 3rd team filled with the jokes of Hornets past - Bennett, Mullens and Higgins - plus two great utility guys in Burrell and Gattison.

I'm sure Ralph Lewis is very pissed off at you right now, Fats. To call him your favorite garbage time star ever and then turn around and put Cory Higgins on this team!? Despicable.

Good Point. Lets move Scott Burrell to the 2nd unit, get rid of MKG and put Ralph Lewis in the 3rd string SF spot. MKG is too good for a bench role anyway.

[LamarMatic7]

Fats, did you hear Dell saying last night that Gattison was one of the best right-handers at dunking with his left hand?

[HornetJail]

How many games does this team win in 2016-17

PG: Kemba Walker / Muggsy Bogues / Tony Bennett
SG: Glen Rice / Dell Curry / Cory Higgins
SF: Gerald Wallace / Kidd-Gilchrist / Scott Burrell
PF: Larry Johnson / Boris Diaw / Byron Mullens
C: Alonzo Mourning / Emeka Okafor / Kenny Gattison

Coached by Clifford

All in their primes? That bench alone is a competitive team and that starting five is basically an all-star team. Legitimately believe that roster would win the East with 65+ games since it would be able to withstand whatever injuries were hurled in its way and it's basically infinitely versatile. It would probably go toe to toe with the Warriors in the Finals, ultimately falling short, because that's what Carolina sports teams do.

Question for the old-timers: would LJ be able to be a small-ball 5 in today's game?

[fatlever]

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/18327785/muggsy-bogues-tracy-mcgrady-first-candidates-basketball-hall-fame

Muggsy is up for the HOF. Is he deserving? Should the HOF be only about stats/wins? Or is there a place for the pioneers and "freaks" of the league that did the impossible?