What direction should Suns go?

Damkac · Post #1 » by **Damkac** » Sun Dec 11, 2016 10:12 am

What to do? Take the rebuild course for serious, try to get a star or maybe do nothing other than necessary?

Saberestar · Post #2 » by **Saberestar** » Sun Dec 11, 2016 11:45 am

IMO the third option is the best. I want to trade Knight and Chandler before the deadline and I don't care too much about what we get for them. I think they are aren't part of our future.

Tucker is an UFA, so I think he doesn't have any value around the league. I want him on the bench playing a few minutes per game the rest of this season and I don't care if he is with the team nex year because we have Warren and Dudley under contract.

canucklife21 · Post #3 » by **canucklife21** » Sun Dec 11, 2016 3:32 pm

love the moves the suns have made through the draft with warren, booker and chris, from a outsider fan, I think the suns should try to trade their vets and build through the draft.

Getting a star would be the ideal situation but building through the draft gives the youthful suns a chance to grow alongside the new draftees.

Suns organization is destine to become playoff bound team sooner then later

canucklife21 · Post #4 » by **canucklife21** » Sun Dec 11, 2016 3:36 pm

if the suns could throw a package of Bledsoe and tucker others at the magic for Aaron Gordon and in addition put them in a position to draft a player like Lonzo Ball.

a core of Booker, Gordon and Ball would instantly, put the suns at the top of the list as the best young core in the nba

Post #5 » by **bwgood77** » Sun Dec 11, 2016 4:09 pm

canucklife21 wrote:if the suns could throw a package of Bledsoe and tucker others at the magic for Aaron Gordon and in addition put them in a position to draft a player like Lonzo Ball.

a core of Booker, Gordon and Ball would instantly, put the suns at the top of the list as the best young core in the nba

I love Gordon because he is an ex Wildcat but I don't think he has enough offense, and I think Bender probably has more upside and is our highest upside prospect we've had in a very long time. Chriss might develop into something too.

I picked the third option because I think inevitably we will get a good player in this draft because it is probably at least 10 deep, and likely will get a top 5 pick or so no matter what.

LacosteM · Post #6 » by **LacosteM** » Sun Dec 11, 2016 4:10 pm

Get rid of Tucker and Knight to free up minutes for the rookies . Pick up a high draft pick and continue the development of the youth. There's no reason to rush the rebuild and end up like Orlando.

ryanball · Post #7 » by **ryanball** » Mon Dec 12, 2016 5:19 am

LacosteM wrote:Get rid of Tucker and Knight to free up minutes for the rookies . Pick up a high draft pick and continue the development of the youth. There's no reason to rush the rebuild and end up like Orlando.

Totally agree.

At this point I think that doing nothing is the same as tanking hard anyway. So third option is the best, do nothing other than any decent trades for Knight and/or Tucker that present themselves. Getting a top four pick in this draft should be pretty good.

Getting a real star right now doesn't seem likely if Booker, Warren and 2017 1st are off the table which we all hope they are. And getting Ibaka tier players in "big" deals would probably put us in treadmill mode.

thamadkant · Post #8 » by **thamadkant** » Mon Dec 12, 2016 8:29 am

This is the direction I ideally want assuming Suns cant trade for a Star or two soon.

G: Markelle Fultz
G: Devin Booker
F: TJ Warren
F: Marquese Chriss
F/C: Dragan Bender

blacksun · Post #9 » by **blacksun** » Mon Dec 12, 2016 8:48 am

Trade Knight and Tucker. Chandler should stay. Keep starting him, and resign Len for a reasonable amount. The start him next year over Chandler, and if still doesnt pan out, draft Ayton/Bamba in 2018. Draft one of the PG's or Josh Jackson in 2017. Once the youth talent is all set, fire Watson or let him expire in 2019. After that, get a real coach, maybe Nash?? and start signing free agents who can actually contribute to winning.

Blackification · Post #10 » by **Blackification** » Mon Dec 12, 2016 8:51 am

I voted option one but I don't think you have to trade all the vets to to get there. I say trade Knight, Tucker, and maybe Chandler and go all in on the tank. Then in the off season or trade deadline next year sell on bledsoe

LacosteM · Post #11 » by **LacosteM** » Mon Dec 12, 2016 9:24 am

blacksun wrote:Trade Knight and Tucker. Chandler should stay. Keep starting him, and resign Len for a reasonable amount. The start him next year over Chandler, and if still doesnt pan out, draft Ayton/Bamba in 2018. Draft one of the PG's or Josh Jackson in 2017. Once the youth talent is all set, fire Watson or let him expire in 2019. After that, get a real coach, maybe Nash?? and start signing free agents who can actually contribute to winning.

I'd fire Watson sooner than later for a proven and experienced developmental coach. At this stage I just don't trust him handling so much young talent and putting them into the best position to succeed.

I wonder if Ettore Messina still has "head coach" aspirations. He'd definitely be one of my top choices. Or coach Blatt possibly, altough I doubt he has desire to return coaching in the league after the way Cavs organization handled him. Whatever they do, they need to stay the hell away from Mark Jackson.

DaleyBlind · Post #12 » by **DaleyBlind** » Mon Dec 12, 2016 10:10 am

Pretty much agree with what everyone else is saying. Trade Knight/Tucker and Chandler eventually if we get a good deal. Draft the BPA in the draft. Dont give out any bad contracts to average players in FA. And im still not sold on Watson as HC.

Post #13 » by **bwgood77** » Mon Dec 12, 2016 4:02 pm

Watson's fine for now, and we still need Chandler imo. We have zero rebounding. We need to as it gives our young players more opportunities, not less, because we will get more possessions, and he can set screens and just be an example for the younger bigs on how to play. And he is a good vet to have around. Unless we get a killer deal there is really no reason to trade him yet. Len can't play the whole game and no one else is ready to play much center.

LacosteM · Post #14 » by **LacosteM** » Mon Dec 12, 2016 8:29 pm

bwgood77 wrote:Watson's fine for now, and we still need Chandler imo. We have zero rebounding. We need to as it gives our young players more opportunities, not less, because we will get more possessions, and he can set screens and just be an example for the younger bigs on how to play. And he is a good vet to have around. Unless we get a killer deal there is really no reason to trade him yet. Len can't play the whole game and no one else is ready to play much center.

Chandler has been suprisingly productive this season, eventough his rim protection regressed. Out of vets, I'd keep him alongside Dudley and Barbosa.

GMATCallahan · Post #15 » by **GMATCallahan** » Mon Dec 26, 2016 10:20 pm

I feel that the Suns need to explore trading Bledsoe, because he is the veteran who by far could fetch the most—perhaps another good lottery pick, for instance—and because Phoenix is not good enough to win with him as currently constituted. Plus, the future of his knees remains a concern.

He is easily Phoenix's best player and I would not trade him (or anyone, really) just for the sake of a trade, but he has to be placed on the market, at least.

thamadkant · Post #16 » by **thamadkant** » Tue Dec 27, 2016 12:54 am

If Suns can get two top 10 picks in 2017... McD should have a statue erected. He may not be best at putting together a team that fits well together... But he would be one of the best at gathering talent.

thamadkant · Post #17 » by **thamadkant** » Tue Dec 27, 2016 12:55 am

Bledsoe and Tucker for a top 10 pick.

Knight for a top 20 pick

Chandler for a top 30 pick or a young prospect.

nevetsov · Post #18 » by **nevetsov** » Tue Dec 27, 2016 4:06 am

Trade any vet that would not be supportive of giving up their minutes for the youth movement.

Duds and Barbosa I'm sure would do the right thing and step aside if it was for the good of the team.

Chandler I'm not sure of.

Tucker I certainly don't think wants to relinquish an inch to anyone, and consequently he doesn't fit with what's best for this team. He needs to go.

Post #19 » by **bwgood77** » Tue Dec 27, 2016 8:02 am

GMATCallahan wrote:I feel that the Suns need to explore trading Bledsoe, because he is the veteran who by far could fetch the most—perhaps another good lottery pick, for instance—and because Phoenix is not good enough to win with him as currently constituted. Plus, the future of his knees remains a concern.

He is easily Phoenix's best player and I would not trade him (or anyone, really) just for the sake of a trade, but he has to be placed on the market, at least.

I guess the big question is, does he have a lot of trade value given his knees? My guess is he doesn't get traded this year, but if he remains healthy, next year around the trade deadline with only a year and a half on his contract which at that time will seem like a great contract is low risk for a team. However, if he really can fetch a lottery pick, I'm all for trading him. I'd love to get back that likely lottery pick this year that became Brandon Knight.

ImNotMcDiSwear · Post #20 » by **ImNotMcDiSwear** » Tue Dec 27, 2016 7:15 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
GMATCallahan wrote:I feel that the Suns need to explore trading Bledsoe, because he is the veteran who by far could fetch the most—perhaps another good lottery pick, for instance—and because Phoenix is not good enough to win with him as currently constituted. Plus, the future of his knees remains a concern.

He is easily Phoenix's best player and I would not trade him (or anyone, really) just for the sake of a trade, but he has to be placed on the market, at least.

I guess the big question is, does he have a lot of trade value given his knees? My guess is he doesn't get traded this year, but if he remains healthy, next year around the trade deadline with only a year and a half on his contract which at that time will seem like a great contract is low risk for a team. However, if he really can fetch a lottery pick, I'm all for trading him. I'd love to get back that likely lottery pick this year that became Brandon Knight.

Given how low-energy Warren looked last night and given Devin's struggles, I wouldn't be totally opposed to picking up both a wing and a PG in this draft. :-?

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