Game 24: New Orleans Pelicans (7-16) @ Los Angeles Clippers (16-7) - 10:30 PM ET

[Ranma]

Paul could have broken Scott Skiles' 30-assist record tonight if we hadn't subbed him out to rest him and preserve the 20-20 milestone without a turnover.

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[Neddy]

man all of ours player going 1/2 from the line. hilarious

hey no disrespect, but you have the Thunder as your favorite NBA team, but your name is Pelifan and your location states Pelicansfan?

did you lose a sig bet?

[og15]

Don't know where Diallo came from with the 19/10 night, but maybe the guy just earned himself more PT due to us lol

A 28 point beat down is more like it though

[Ranma]

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[pelifan]

man all of ours player going 1/2 from the line. hilarious

hey no disrespect, but you have the Thunder as your favorite NBA team, but your name is Pelifan and your location states Pelicansfan?

did you lose a sig bet?

pelicans are my favorite team. OKC is in support of small market teams, it'll go back to Pelicans after the season.

Anyway, hard fought game y'all are luck to come out with the win

[Neddy]

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man I love me some General. he couldn't shoot the 3 and was smallish even in his time as a PG but boy I loved his game as a PG.

[Neddy]

man all of ours player going 1/2 from the line. hilarious

hey no disrespect, but you have the Thunder as your favorite NBA team, but your name is Pelifan and your location states Pelicansfan?

did you lose a sig bet?

pelicans are my favorite team. OKC is in support of small market teams, it'll go back to Pelicans after the season.

Anyway, hard fought game y'all are luck to come out with the win

ah, well done. and good luck.

[Neddy]

where is the player of the game thread?

[Ranma]

man I love me some General. he couldn't shoot the 3 and was smallish even in his time as a PG but boy I loved his game as a PG.

He was 6'3" but only 185 lbs. I'm also fond of the General and Norm Nixon, despite both not doing as much was as I would have hoped for the franchise.

[Neddy]

man I love me some General. he couldn't shoot the 3 and was smallish even in his time as a PG but boy I loved his game as a PG.

He was 6'3" but only 185 lbs. I'm also fond of the General and Norm Nixon, despite both not doing as much was as I would have hoped for the franchise.

back in the day, the NBA used to over-estimate everyone's heights. well I should say the each team's PR department used to over-estimate their player's sizes. remember when Hakeem was 7-0? he wasn't. Gary was listed as 6-3 but he was more like 6-1 tops. probably close to 5-11 to 6 even. here is a picture of him next to Bo Kimble who was listed from the college as 6-4.

[Ranma]

back in the day, the NBA used to over-estimate everyone's heights. well I should say the each team's PR department used to over-estimate their player's sizes. remember when Hakeem was 7-0? he wasn't. Gary was listed as 6-3 but he was more like 6-1 tops. probably close to 5-11 to 6 even. here is a picture of him next to Bo Kimble who was listed from the college as 6-4.

Yikes! I even knew about the inflation of height listings. Charles Barkley listed at 6'6" being the most obvious exaggeration. I can't believe I never put this together about the General. I must have had a blindspot to preserve my memories of him. Good find with the picture. Thanks for that.

[thanumba2clippersfan]

Great game by Chris Paul. Crazy that he could get 20 points and 20 assists with no turnovers. I'm also happy that Tim Frazier put in a good game for the Pelicans. What's more important though is that we won. They've been hard to come by lately.

[Don Tommy]

man I love me some General. he couldn't shoot the 3 and was smallish even in his time as a PG but boy I loved his game as a PG.

He was 6'3" but only 185 lbs. I'm also fond of the General and Norm Nixon, despite both not doing as much was as I would have hoped for the franchise.

back in the day, the NBA used to over-estimate everyone's heights. well I should say the each team's PR department used to over-estimate their player's sizes. remember when Hakeem was 7-0? he wasn't. Gary was listed as 6-3 but he was more like 6-1 tops. probably close to 5-11 to 6 even. here is a picture of him next to Bo Kimble who was listed from the college as 6-4.

This came back to haunt me when I played in my first Hoop - It - Up tournament. I thought everyone lied about their height, gave themselves a few extra inches to make themselves look a bit more intimidating, so me and my buddies did the same thing. Instead of being 6'1, I was magically 6'3. Turns out that since they matched you up against players of your own skill level and height... and most people lied in the other way... we were matched up against guys that were almost 6'6. Needless to say it wasn't pretty, we did get one win before losing the next two and going home!

[nickhx2]

I've been out of work on disability for over a year* so hard for me to complain about someone taking a day off but I was looking forward to this game and seeing AD play. Hard to understand why some of these players take so many days off for "rest". Chartered planes, 5 star hotel suites, specialized diets and treatments and no more 4 in 5's anymore... So why does a healthy player need the day off?

Seriously, I remember hearing about players sleeping with their feet hanging off the ends of the bed. Vlade smoking in the locker room. Players routinely averaging over 45 minutes a game...

*Side note, I was finally cleared to go back to work after 15 months off!

glad things are working out for you.

Just wanted to touch on the rest stuff for athletes. I think recent advances have shown more light on things like rest, fatigue, and wear and tear over the course of the season for people in sports. There was an article this past year i think on espn about the insanity of back to backs. Normally we're pretty used to the idea being fans of the nba over many years, but going into it i was taken aback by just how ridiculous the toll is on a player in a back to back. It's physically not a good thing for a human being to do such a thing.

Even with rest every other day, the fatigue builds up and it affects players greatly. Two years ago steve kerr talked about resting stephen curry because he was physically exhausted, and that was in a season where they won the championship and he was getting big time rest in the fourth quarters because of all the blowouts they played in. So to me there's a lot of context there: if a player is essentially playing 75% of the minutes an average starter plays and is still exhausted by the end of the season, then a normal one will be in even worse shape. Now if you look at anthony davis, he's leading the league in 38.1mpg iirc, and his previous 3 games he was averaging 44mpg (correct me if i'm wrong).

So even if a player is healthy, sometimes they are just exhausted. Blake himself even mentioned how all the crazy acrobatics made it so he was literally unable to get himself out of bed in the morning. It's part of why i'm not super critical of the team for struggling because their schedule has been absolutely absurd to begin the season. 17 games in 29 nights or something? And when you're playing a game every other day (or sometimes even a back to back) you don't have time to rest with all the flying, let alone practice. To me it's no surprise that the team started off the way they wanted to then began to falter without any letup in the schedule.

At the end of the day if you're tired then there's no science or medicine in the world that will beat good old rest and recuperation.

[Neddy]

^same in baseball.

for the longest time, people believed in the myth that teaching little kids curveball or change up caused their eldow to go out and even when I was coaching, the first thing the manager/headcoach would instruct me as a pitching coach was to avoid teaching anything but no seams sinker ( two seamer gripped on hides only) and nothing else in belief that arms were saved by doing so. I always questioned it as a little league pitcher who threw slurve myself, I never felt the pitching type caused my injury but pitching day after day clocking over 100 pitch counts on daily basis in practice did. now the science has finally caught up with my long standing belief, and the American institute for Sports Medicine concluded without a doubt that in fact throwing fastball is the most taxing to the young elbows, and the #1 cause of injury at all levels, be it on a little league mound or in the majors, is the fatique and never was about the pitching type. that is why we have strict pitch counts for young pithers not only for the in-game count, but age-appropriate innings per season and so on. TJS is far more prevelent here in USA where pitchers go every 5th day than Japan or South Korean leagues where their pitchers pitch once a week with a 6 men rotation and a mandatory day off on every Monday. I forget the exact ratio but it was something around 10 to 1 the last time I checked it. we run our athletes out there and demand them to be super humans, but remember that that did to arms like Mark Fydrich? Ralph Branca? Kerry Wood? Mark Pryor? Dontrelle Willis? even the great Sandy Koufax?

some make argument that the old dudes from the last century pitched in 4 men rotation on 3 day rests and pitched 300 innings. well, look into their stats carefully, I say to them. those old dudes did not pitch hard, rarely got K/9 ratio above 5/9, and pitched in deadball era where everyone was taught to beat the ball down to the ground and got discplined if hit flyballs too often. only Babe was allowed swing with that uppercut swing early because he was a pitcher and the manager let him slide with the RedSox in his early years.

sorry, did not mean to turn the discussion into baseball analogy, but just wanted to throw in my 2 cent regradling the impact of fatique and the injuries it causes. I just know baseball more than hoops.

[nickhx2]

i think that's pretty good for an analogy. i'm sure lots of old timers will go "oh well back in my day we played these back to backs in basketball or pitched complete games in baseball" etc. etc. but that doesn't necessarily mean it was a good thing for them. even a guy like kershaw, as amazing as he is, falls prey to fatigue by the end of the season.

rest is critically helpful if it can be afforded.

[Don Tommy]

I still believed the curve ball thing to be honest. I think it was the split fingered fastball that started hurting a lot of pitchers, that's when the no curve balls thing was validated for me. Except for a random t ball game in San Diego, I haven't coached Little League in... my God, it's been two decades? Neddy, how old ARE we?

I don't know about everyone else, and yes I know that there is a general discussion spot on here... but I like when discussions break down. I don't want to slick between this topic and another than another... if we were all hanging out in a bar watching the game and the conversation flowed to something other than the game, we wouldn't say "hold on, only game discussion talk going on right now!"

[Don Tommy]

Great game by Chris Paul. Crazy that he could get 20 points and 20 assists with no turnovers. I'm also happy that Tim Frazier put in a good game for the Pelicans. What's more important though is that we won. They've been hard to come by lately.

Back to the game though, Frazier looked really good again!

[mkwest]

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