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Re: Markelle Fultz 

Post#101 » by cellar-door » Mon Dec 12, 2016 4:35 am

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Duke4life831 wrote:Another bad loss for Washington. That now makes it 4 straight losses and theyre under .500 so far in the year. I just have no clue why he decided to play for them, no one is going to watch their games, wont make the tournament and unlike last year with Simmons who kept getting a ton of attention because of how weak that draft was. This draft is so deep people are going to talk about the guys who are on major teams or are winning. Choosing Washington is such a puzzling decision in my opinion.


Loyalty plain and simple. First and only team to recruit him before the buzz. He stayed loyal. Speaks to his character I think.


If its just out of loyalty I can respect that but just looking at it as a business move it was really dumb. I wont be surprised if his name gets kinda lost throughout the season, now of course it wont get lost with NBA GMs but he definitely wont be the most talked about prospect in the draft. And that popularity difference can equate to a lot of money when it comes to endorsements and stuff like that.


I don't think it matters in terms of business. Ben Simmons played on a tough to watch team, that was really bad, he got suspended for grades, had accusations he quit on his team, almost nobody except real college fans saw a minute of his game..... drafted #1 got a massive NIke deal.

If Fultz plays great and gets drafted top 5 he'll have a big shoe deal waiting for him, I can't think of anybody who got a big boost on his first shoe deal because of where he played college or anything, top picks get good deals, after that it's really NBA performance, NBA city and personality that determines your marketability.
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Re: Markelle Fultz 

Post#102 » by Duke4life831 » Mon Dec 12, 2016 4:46 am

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Loyalty plain and simple. First and only team to recruit him before the buzz. He stayed loyal. Speaks to his character I think.


If its just out of loyalty I can respect that but just looking at it as a business move it was really dumb. I wont be surprised if his name gets kinda lost throughout the season, now of course it wont get lost with NBA GMs but he definitely wont be the most talked about prospect in the draft. And that popularity difference can equate to a lot of money when it comes to endorsements and stuff like that.


I don't think it matters in terms of business. Ben Simmons played on a tough to watch team, that was really bad, he got suspended for grades, had accusations he quit on his team, almost nobody except real college fans saw a minute of his game..... drafted #1 got a massive NIke deal.

If Fultz plays great and gets drafted top 5 he'll have a big shoe deal waiting for him, I can't think of anybody who got a big boost on his first shoe deal because of where he played college or anything, top picks get good deals, after that it's really NBA performance, NBA city and personality that determines your marketability.


Ben Simmons also got a ton of hype and talk from ESPN all year. Jeff Goodman talked about this last week, he talked about how Simmons benefited and got a ton of talk and hype because it was such a down year for college and the upcoming draft. There was nothing else to talk about so when it came to college basketball Simmons was always brought up. Thats not going to happen this year with Fultz. All of the college blue bloods look dominant this year, so people actually have big name teams to talk about again. This draft class isnt a 1 or 2 man class, this class has a legit 4-5 guys battling for the #1 spot and many scouts are saying this draft goes more than 10 deep and they havent seen that in a long long time.

Being out on the west coast, on a team that is basically already out of it by early Dec, Fultz isnt going to get the late season boost that all these other players get. March Madness does great for players popularity and if they have a good tournament can really boost their draft stock as well. Again its not a huge deal, but as a college fan and a fan of Fultz and you can even throw in DSJ on this, it sucks they play on teams that arent going anywhere and where they are just a 1 man show.
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Re: Markelle Fultz 

Post#103 » by Chuck Everett » Mon Dec 12, 2016 5:00 am

Fultz is still going top 3, one year of college for him is not that big of deal. All the scouts saw him play at the Hoop Summit, Team USA and he's been a dominant offensive player as well. He is not going to fall because his team is trash. All that matters is does he have transferrable skills.

It's conversations like this, that get bums like Thomas Robinson drafted into the top 5.
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Post#104 » by HotelVitale » Mon Dec 12, 2016 5:03 am

Duke4life831 wrote: Ben Simmons also got a ton of hype and talk from ESPN all year. Jeff Goodman talked about this last week, he talked about how Simmons benefited and got a ton of talk and hype because it was such a down year for college and the upcoming draft. There was nothing else to talk about so when it came to college basketball Simmons was always brought up. Thats not going to happen this year with Fultz.

That's true but Ben Simmons was also obviously the best prospect in last year's class, hype or not. And we've seen the super team thing really hurt certain prospects--e.g. Booker, who played on a stacked UK team and never got to show his pretty durn slick ball-handling/reading skills.

Overall, I really don't think that 'popularity' actually does much for your draft stock. Maybe it did 10 or 20 years ago but draft pros know what to look for now, and there's a reason why the draft mocks, the scouts, and the actual draft are basically in sync these days.
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Re: Markelle Fultz 

Post#105 » by Duke4life831 » Mon Dec 12, 2016 5:11 am

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Duke4life831 wrote: Ben Simmons also got a ton of hype and talk from ESPN all year. Jeff Goodman talked about this last week, he talked about how Simmons benefited and got a ton of talk and hype because it was such a down year for college and the upcoming draft. There was nothing else to talk about so when it came to college basketball Simmons was always brought up. Thats not going to happen this year with Fultz.

That's true but Ben Simmons was also obviously the best prospect in last year's class, hype or not. And we've seen the super team thing really hurt certain prospects--e.g. Booker, who played on a stacked UK team and never got to show his pretty durn slick ball-handling/reading skills.

Overall, I really don't think that 'popularity' actually does much for your draft stock. Maybe it did 10 or 20 years ago but draft pros know what to look for now, and there's a reason why the draft mocks, the scouts, and the actual draft are basically in sync these days.


How did it hurt Booker? It helped that entire UK team when it came to their draft stock. Booker was the 23rd ranked recruit that year, no one thought he was going lottery at the beginning of the year. Towns went from the 5th ranked recruit to the #1 pick while only playing 20 minutes a game. I dont think you can make the argument for anyone on that UK team that, that year hurt their draft stock.

What im saying is Fultz isnt the runaway #1 pick this year and isnt playing in a historically weak year of college ball. All im saying is I wouldnt be shocked if Fultz gets hurt a little by playing on such a bad team that no one watches and wont play in the tournament. We have seen the tournament really help peoples draft stock in the recent past. With it being such a close bunch at the top of the draft, a strong tournament by say Ball, Jackson, Tatum or one of these other guys at the top, it could be enough for them to bump Fultz from the top spot. Im not saying Fultz is going to drop out of the top 5 or anything. But not playing in the tournament could maybe see him slide a spot or 2 in such a deep draft.
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Re: Markelle Fultz 

Post#106 » by HotelVitale » Mon Dec 12, 2016 5:24 am

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Duke4life831 wrote: Ben Simmons also got a ton of hype and talk from ESPN all year. Jeff Goodman talked about this last week, he talked about how Simmons benefited and got a ton of talk and hype because it was such a down year for college and the upcoming draft. There was nothing else to talk about so when it came to college basketball Simmons was always brought up. Thats not going to happen this year with Fultz.

That's true but Ben Simmons was also obviously the best prospect in last year's class, hype or not. And we've seen the super team thing really hurt certain prospects--e.g. Booker, who played on a stacked UK team and never got to show his pretty durn slick ball-handling/reading skills. Overall, I really don't think that 'popularity' actually does much for your draft stock. Maybe it did 10 or 20 years ago but draft pros know what to look for now, and there's a reason why the draft mocks, the scouts, and the actual draft are basically in sync these days.
How did it hurt Booker? It helped that entire UK team when it came to their draft stock. Booker was the 23rd ranked recruit that year, no one thought he was going lottery at the beginning of the year. Towns went from the 5th ranked recruit to the #1 pick while only playing 20 minutes a game. I dont think you can make the argument for anyone on that UK team that, that year hurt their draft stock..
Because UK had the Harrisons and Ulis doing 98% of the dribbling on the team and 95% of initiating plays. Most of us really had no idea that Booker was very very good at making reads with the ball in his hands; we all thought he was mostly just a good shooter who had some athleticism to help his transition game.

What I mean is that, based on his actual size + skill package at draft time, Booker was in fact a top-10 players. The fact that a major, difference-making skill of his was obscured bumped him down to the next tier of players, and I think that he would've shown that more at a school that didn't have so many guys to both create and consume shots.
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Re: Markelle Fultz 

Post#107 » by cksdayoff » Mon Dec 12, 2016 5:25 am

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Duke4life831 wrote:Another bad loss for Washington. That now makes it 4 straight losses and theyre under .500 so far in the year. I just have no clue why he decided to play for them, no one is going to watch their games, wont make the tournament and unlike last year with Simmons who kept getting a ton of attention because of how weak that draft was. This draft is so deep people are going to talk about the guys who are on major teams or are winning. Choosing Washington is such a puzzling decision in my opinion.


Loyalty plain and simple. First and only team to recruit him before the buzz. He stayed loyal. Speaks to his character I think.


not to mention potential nba talents like marquese chriss and dejounte murray both declared for the draft AFTER Fultz commited to the Huskies
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Post#108 » by jmnvcavs » Tue Dec 13, 2016 4:15 pm

His jumper is going to get swatted a ton at the next level if he doesn't fix where he releases his shot during his jumper he got swatted like 2-3 times on his jumper last game against his opponent PG (who was also 6'4) and like 3 times at the rim.
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Re: Markelle Fultz 

Post#109 » by Roddy B for 3 » Thu Dec 15, 2016 4:45 pm

HotelVitale wrote:
Duke4life831 wrote: Ben Simmons also got a ton of hype and talk from ESPN all year. Jeff Goodman talked about this last week, he talked about how Simmons benefited and got a ton of talk and hype because it was such a down year for college and the upcoming draft. There was nothing else to talk about so when it came to college basketball Simmons was always brought up. Thats not going to happen this year with Fultz.

That's true but Ben Simmons was also obviously the best prospect in last year's class, hype or not. And we've seen the super team thing really hurt certain prospects--e.g. Booker, who played on a stacked UK team and never got to show his pretty durn slick ball-handling/reading skills.

Overall, I really don't think that 'popularity' actually does much for your draft stock. Maybe it did 10 or 20 years ago but draft pros know what to look for now, and there's a reason why the draft mocks, the scouts, and the actual draft are basically in sync these days.


Booker may be a/have "durn slick ball-handling/reading skills" because of that year at Kentucky.

Let us not forget that is one of the biggest draws Calipari uses when trying to get high schoolers to Lexington. Playing against one another in practice.
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Post#110 » by SelfishPlayer » Fri Dec 16, 2016 12:27 am

I thought that it was a known thing that Booker developed his ball handling/playmaking ability once he left Kentucky?
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Post#111 » by King_Supreme » Fri Dec 16, 2016 7:09 pm

What's Fultz floor and what will be the reason/s Fultz doesn't succeed at the next level?
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Post#114 » by Ballerhogger » Sun Dec 25, 2016 4:18 am

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no no no. he's gotta be a sixer

Please no .
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Post#115 » by Unbreakable99 » Sun Dec 25, 2016 4:22 am

Ballerhogger wrote:
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freewhitemoon wrote:Pelicans, this is how you can save Davis' career


no no no. he's gotta be a sixer

Please no .


Why no?
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Post#116 » by Ballerhogger » Sun Dec 25, 2016 4:27 am

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Ballerhogger wrote:
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no no no. he's gotta be a sixer

Please no .


Why no?

I already see the Simmons and Fultz as the lead guard issues coming. Same with Center issues with same coach . Simmons is supposley going be the point forward right?
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Post#117 » by Unbreakable99 » Sun Dec 25, 2016 4:33 am

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Ballerhogger wrote:Please no .


Why no?

I already see the Simmons and Fultz as the lead guard issues coming. Same with Center issues with same coach . Simmons is supposley going be the point forward right?


Yes but they should still be able to coexist.
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Post#118 » by AdotSmoove » Sun Dec 25, 2016 4:44 am

Unbreakable99 wrote:
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Why no?

I already see the Simmons and Fultz as the lead guard issues coming. Same with Center issues with same coach . Simmons is supposley going be the point forward right?


Yes but they should still be able to coexist.


Simmons is supposedly going to be the point guard.


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Re: Markelle Fultz 

Post#119 » by Ballerhogger » Sun Dec 25, 2016 4:52 am

Unbreakable99 wrote:
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Why no?

I already see the Simmons and Fultz as the lead guard issues coming. Same with Center issues with same coach . Simmons is supposley going be the point forward right?


Yes but they should still be able to coexist.

You'll have two point guards on court at the same time? That's not going work . If the Sixers change their course now what twas the point in drafting simmons in the first place ? If your just going draft Fultz.
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Re: Markelle Fultz 

Post#120 » by eagereyez » Sun Dec 25, 2016 5:19 am

Ballerhogger wrote:
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Ballerhogger wrote:I already see the Simmons and Fultz as the lead guard issues coming. Same with Center issues with same coach . Simmons is supposley going be the point forward right?


Yes but they should still be able to coexist.

You'll have two point guards on court at the same time? That's not going work . If the Sixers change their course now what twas the point in drafting simmons in the first place ? If your just going draft Fultz.

Fultz is more of a score first combo guard similar to Lillard. He should theoretically be an even more potent scorer next to Simmons.

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