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KqWIN wrote:There's something funky about Kennard's shot. I don't know if it's because a lefty or what, but it's almost like he's sneaking it over the defender. I don't see Hayward or Redick in him...but I could see him having a Randy Foye type career in the NBA. Not sure he's going to be able to shoot over guys in the NBA.
stitches wrote:
Watch this, guys... I know he won't be in this year's draft but probably in next year's... but damn. The kid is really good. He's 17 and he's winning games in the biggest European tournament for the best team in Europe.
Daddy 801 wrote:
Are his normal stats pretty good as well. Guys with range are obviously important. Just curious if this is an outlier game or he is putting up solid stats on a regular basis. Even if he is getting regular mins at his age that would show he is a good player as the Euro league usually doesn't play young guys a lot from what I have heard.
stitches wrote:Daddy 801 wrote:
Are his normal stats pretty good as well. Guys with range are obviously important. Just curious if this is an outlier game or he is putting up solid stats on a regular basis. Even if he is getting regular mins at his age that would show he is a good player as the Euro league usually doesn't play young guys a lot from what I have heard.
19.4 minutes per game(keep in mind games are 40 minutes, so not many players play over 30), 8pts/3.7rbs/3.5ast(!!!!!!!)/0.8STL/0.4BLK/ 1.8TO
Shooting splits: 51/40/85.
He seems like the real deal.
KqWIN wrote:You guys are more clued into this draft than myself, what do you think of the 4-8 portion of this draft? I'm thinking that Minnesota's pick is a very strong trade target this summer.
stitches wrote:KqWIN wrote:You guys are more clued into this draft than myself, what do you think of the 4-8 portion of this draft? I'm thinking that Minnesota's pick is a very strong trade target this summer.
I like about 12 players in this year's draft better than anyone out of the top 2 from last year's draft. I don't know if that means much to you... but in general I really like this draft.
Daddy 801 wrote:stitches wrote:KqWIN wrote:You guys are more clued into this draft than myself, what do you think of the 4-8 portion of this draft? I'm thinking that Minnesota's pick is a very strong trade target this summer.
I like about 12 players in this year's draft better than anyone out of the top 2 from last year's draft. I don't know if that means much to you... but in general I really like this draft.
You have been really critical of all the trades that send Favs out(not ragging on you as Favs is worth more than most trades posted including mine), so I curious how low of a pick is still good enough to get you to trade Favs assuming the other pieces coming back in trade aren't the real value but the pick is.
stitches wrote:I've said I'd trade any single player of ours for a top 3 pick this year. That's in a vacuum, because they probably won't do it because of Hayward's pending FA and because they've been building to this point so they can contend, not so they can sell out the team for picks.
So yah... If they knew Hayward would stay either way I wouldn't mind Favs for top 3 pick.
KqWIN wrote:Why are we talking about Middleton, Harris, and Porter?
The real decision the Jazz FO is making is between Continuity, Cap Flexibility, and Cash Considerations.
Inigo Montoya wrote:stitches wrote:I've said I'd trade any single player of ours for a top 3 pick this year. That's in a vacuum, because they probably won't do it because of Hayward's pending FA and because they've been building to this point so they can contend, not so they can sell out the team for picks.
So yah... If they knew Hayward would stay either way I wouldn't mind Favs for top 3 pick.
The league knows we can't keep all of our players. They know Favors is soon to be a FA. I can't see a team giving up a top 3 pick for him in this draft even if he didn't have all these injuries. Teams will take advantage of the Jazz either in trade for core pieces (with pending contract situations) or via free agency.
KqWIN wrote:Trading Favors will be hard, especially if he doesn't come back and play well. I just think that the Minnesota pick has a very high chance of being traded. Thibs is the head decision maker there, and he's not going to want to add another rookie. Scott Layden is the psuedo-gm there, and he obviously has history with the Jazz organization.
stitches wrote:KqWIN wrote:Trading Favors will be hard, especially if he doesn't come back and play well. I just think that the Minnesota pick has a very high chance of being traded. Thibs is the head decision maker there, and he's not going to want to add another rookie. Scott Layden is the psuedo-gm there, and he obviously has history with the Jazz organization.
What else would you want in addition to the pick for Favors?
When is the last time an injured top ~30 player in the league was traded? And the return was good?
We cannot trade him now. I don't think. He comes back and doesn't play well... his value drops. He comes back and he plays well... if you trade him for Minny's pick, they are likely going to start winning games and the pick won't be as good as it was slotted before the trade. Can you imagine KAT+Favs? This can be horrifying duo for the next half a decade if not more...
KqWIN wrote:stitches wrote:KqWIN wrote:Trading Favors will be hard, especially if he doesn't come back and play well. I just think that the Minnesota pick has a very high chance of being traded. Thibs is the head decision maker there, and he's not going to want to add another rookie. Scott Layden is the psuedo-gm there, and he obviously has history with the Jazz organization.
What else would you want in addition to the pick for Favors?
When is the last time an injured top ~30 player in the league was traded? And the return was good?
We cannot trade him now. I don't think. He comes back and doesn't play well... his value drops. He comes back and he plays well... if you trade him for Minny's pick, they are likely going to start winning games and the pick won't be as good as it was slotted before the trade. Can you imagine KAT+Favs? This can be horrifying duo for the next half a decade if not more...
Firstly, I meant this to be a summer trade. I've been a big advocate of trading Favors for some time, but I agree that trading Favors now is not the right time. I would love it if Favors could cut some weight and be healthy, but I'm skeptical.
Dieng, maybe? Idk. I LOVE Anunouby and Issac so I was just thinking of a path to get one of them. Both were in discussed as possibly entering last year's draft, but they haven't disappointed so far this NCAA season.
stitches wrote:KqWIN wrote:stitches wrote:
What else would you want in addition to the pick for Favors?
When is the last time an injured top ~30 player in the league was traded? And the return was good?
We cannot trade him now. I don't think. He comes back and doesn't play well... his value drops. He comes back and he plays well... if you trade him for Minny's pick, they are likely going to start winning games and the pick won't be as good as it was slotted before the trade. Can you imagine KAT+Favs? This can be horrifying duo for the next half a decade if not more...
Firstly, I meant this to be a summer trade. I've been a big advocate of trading Favors for some time, but I agree that trading Favors now is not the right time. I would love it if Favors could cut some weight and be healthy, but I'm skeptical.
Dieng, maybe? Idk. I LOVE Anunouby and Issac so I was just thinking of a path to get one of them. Both were in discussed as possibly entering last year's draft, but they haven't disappointed so far this NCAA season.
What do you win by getting Dieng? He's much worse, more expensive player with longer contract than Favors in a time we will need the money. Isn't the idea of trading Favors precisely to alleviate the money crunch? If we are getting a worse contract than Favors and a worse player than him, I'd rather just keep Favors methinks. Getting a super expensive 4 year contract for a sub-5 isn't anywhere close to my preferences. I guess you can trade him in the future... unless he loses value when he plays 15 minutes a game behind Rudy?
Anunoby looks interesting, but I want to see more. I'm still not completely sold on him.
Goober wrote:Stitches do you have a big board yet?