2016-17 Rookie Watch thread

Alonzo_Morning · Post #601 » by **Alonzo_Morning** » Mon Dec 12, 2016 4:27 am

Dan Z wrote:
Alonzo_Morning wrote:Get Mr Diallo some help

Watch on YouTube

Why didn't he go higher in the draft?

Ask the GMs :lol:

Dan Z · Post #602 » by **Dan Z** » Mon Dec 12, 2016 4:45 am

Alonzo_Morning wrote:
Dan Z wrote:
Alonzo_Morning wrote:Get Mr Diallo some help

Watch on YouTube

Why didn't he go higher in the draft?

Ask the GMs

Im asking the REAL GMs.

It seems to me like they made a mistake letting him slip as far as he did, but that happens almost every year with a few players (Norman Powell and Isaiah Thomas come to mind).

PerkinsFor3 · Post #603 » by **PerkinsFor3** » Mon Dec 12, 2016 8:31 am

Diallo has never shown enough so far, other than that he's raw, lacks a grip on, and understanding of the game and that he needs to add a lot of muscle (eventhough he has a good frame). He has a high motor, but little skills. He should've won the starting job at Kansas easily but couldn't beat out Traylor. Disappointed some folks a bit in High School as well, eventhough he did show some flashes, in college as well. Also, the expectations for him, coming out of HS, were unrealistically high, which, partly unfair, have him pegged as a disappointment.

Alonzo_Morning · Post #604 » by **Alonzo_Morning** » Mon Dec 12, 2016 10:58 am

PerkinsFor3 wrote:Diallo has never shown enough so far, other than that he's raw, lacks a grip on, and understanding of the game and that he needs to add a lot of muscle (eventhough he has a good frame). He has a high motor, but little skills. He should've won the starting job at Kansas easily but couldn't beat out Traylor. Disappointed some folks a bit in High School as well, eventhough he did show some flashes, in college as well. Also, the expectations for him, coming out of HS, were unrealistically high, which, partly unfair, have him pegged as a disappointment.

Little skils?

Did you even watch the highlights vid?

Post #605 » by **Slava** » Mon Dec 12, 2016 11:27 am

Alonzo_Morning wrote:
PerkinsFor3 wrote:Diallo has never shown enough so far, other than that he's raw, lacks a grip on, and understanding of the game and that he needs to add a lot of muscle (even though he has a good frame). He has a high motor, but little skills. He should've won the starting job at Kansas easily but couldn't beat out Traylor. Disappointed some folks a bit in High School as well, even though he did show some flashes, in college as well. Also, the expectations for him, coming out of HS, were unrealistically high, which, partly unfair, have him pegged as a disappointment.

Little skils?

Did you even watch the highlights vid?

Diallo is a 6'9 center who relies on hustle and making rim runs to get on the floor, players like that usually get taken in the late first or early second round, which is where he got drafted. Unless he can improve as a shooter or become a very good defender, he is a bench big man which correlates with his draft position and expectations.

PerkinsFor3 · Post #606 » by **PerkinsFor3** » Mon Dec 12, 2016 11:37 am

Alonzo_Morning wrote:
PerkinsFor3 wrote:Diallo has never shown enough so far, other than that he's raw, lacks a grip on, and understanding of the game and that he needs to add a lot of muscle (eventhough he has a good frame). He has a high motor, but little skills. He should've won the starting job at Kansas easily but couldn't beat out Traylor. Disappointed some folks a bit in High School as well, eventhough he did show some flashes, in college as well. Also, the expectations for him, coming out of HS, were unrealistically high, which, partly unfair, have him pegged as a disappointment.

Little skils?

Did you even watch the highlights vid?

No I watched him in HS, College and Summer League videos. He's got great tools. But he's not skilled yet.

blazeyo · Post #607 » by **blazeyo** » Mon Dec 12, 2016 1:15 pm

If Diallo has little Skills, what does Tristan Thompson have?

Post #608 » by **QRich3** » Mon Dec 12, 2016 1:33 pm

I wanted Diallo so bad, I wanted the Clippers to pick him with their 1st rounder, so imagine my disappointment when he not only falls to them in the 2nd round, but they pick him and trade him away for two lesser, more long shot prospects.

He definitely has all the tools to be a good defending C and a decent rim protector, and he showed the other day that he has enough offensive skills to survive in the offensive end. I see him being a rotation player not too long from now if he gets the chance.

Blackfyre · Post #609 » by **Blackfyre** » Mon Dec 12, 2016 3:50 pm

Outside of Embiid these rookies have been very unimpressive. Feels like another 2000 / 2013 type of draft class to me. Sad because my team picked second.

Post #610 » by **Slava** » Mon Dec 12, 2016 5:26 pm

Blackfyre wrote:Outside of Embiid these rookies have been very unimpressive. Feels like another 2000 / 2013 type of draft class to me. Sad because my team picked second.

Other than poor shooting I've seen nothing from Ingram that has me concerned and its not even like he has any mechanical issues with his shot. Luke is playing him as point forward and he's handled it as well as an 18 year old can in the NBA. His defense has been very good and once the shooting comes along he'll be well on his way.

Blackfyre · Post #611 » by **Blackfyre** » Mon Dec 12, 2016 5:49 pm

Slava wrote:
Blackfyre wrote:Outside of Embiid these rookies have been very unimpressive. Feels like another 2000 / 2013 type of draft class to me. Sad because my team picked second.

Other than poor shooting I've seen nothing from Ingram that has me concerned and its not even like he has any mechanical issues with his shot. Luke is playing him as point forward and he's handled it as well as an 18 year old can in the NBA. His defense has been very good and once the shooting comes along he'll be well on his way.

Yeah, I understand what you're saying and I didn't want to sound like I think he is going to be a bad player, but currently we are in a situation where we have obtained three high draft picks and none of them are in the conversation for the most valuable young guys in the league. I know it's way too early to say anything with any certainty, but right now I just don't feel it with these three (Randle, Russell, Ingram). If I had to redo this years and 2014 draft I would probably still pick those two because none of the players who were taken after them stand out to me either. Russell pick is definitely bugging me, but at the same time nobody thought Porzingis would become this level of player so early. Can't blame our management for that either. I guess we'll just have to be patient and hope for the best.

I_Like_Dirt · Post #612 » by **I_Like_Dirt** » Mon Dec 12, 2016 6:59 pm

blazeyo wrote:If Diallo has little Skills, what does Tristan Thompson have?

A lot more skills than Diallo, that's for sure.

Post #613 » by **The Rebel** » Mon Dec 12, 2016 8:57 pm

Blackfyre wrote:Outside of Embiid these rookies have been very unimpressive. Feels like another 2000 / 2013 type of draft class to me. Sad because my team picked second.

Up until after the college season ended this was well known to be a weak draft with projects and limited ceiling players being the common complaint. Like most other drafts the hype went through the roof after march madness, but it was pretty well known to be a weak draft.

I will say that all of the Nuggets picks have look pretty good considering their draft slot, Sabonis has looked good, Celtics fans seem happy with Brown, Baldwin seems okay as well.

Post #614 » by **magnumt** » Mon Dec 12, 2016 9:31 pm

Read on Twitter

--Mags

Alonzo_Morning · Post #615 » by **Alonzo_Morning** » Tue Dec 13, 2016 3:48 am

magnumt wrote:

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--Mags

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dolphinatik · Post #616 » by **dolphinatik** » Tue Dec 13, 2016 6:24 pm

Since we are taking about embiid. Myles Turner should get at least two GM's fired for passing on him. Don't forget about Rozier who has been sold. This year's crop hasn't disappointed. I still like poetl.

Post #617 » by **magnumt** » Tue Dec 13, 2016 8:29 pm

dolphinatik wrote:Since we are taking about embiid. Myles Turner should get at least two GM's fired for passing on him. Don't forget about Rozier who has been sold. This year's crop hasn't disappointed. I still like poetl.

Sorry my man, but (so far), this 2016 draft is looking like ****. Just like it was projected to leading up to it. Remember, GMs couldn't give away their picks because no one wanted the extra salary in such a "meh" draft.

--Mags

Post #618 » by **Duke4life831** » Tue Dec 13, 2016 10:27 pm

Blackfyre wrote:Outside of Embiid these rookies have been very unimpressive. Feels like another 2000 / 2013 type of draft class to me. Sad because my team picked second.

Ya it was pretty obvious for a long time this was going to be a very weak draft class. I also dont see much potential with it either. At least with the 2013 draft you had these freaks like Giannis and Gobert with the thought, they could never play a game in the league or if everything clicks they could be legit players. Luckily for Utah and Mil both of them have been studs.

Going down this past draft I dont see those high potential guys like that. I see two guys that are somewhat struggling with Brown and Ingram but you can see the potential with both. Just going off of eye test Ingram has arguably been the Lakers best defender. His jumper is just not falling and that was to be expected. People knew it was going to take some time for him to get used to the physicality of the NBA. While Brown has been okay, hes been very inconsistent. He will show the flashes of his great potential then he will look like an extremely raw rookie. Both guys you have to feel good about going forward though. Those two and Simmons can battle for all star games in the future I think.

After that there really is nothing to be quite honest. A few guys that look like they can be solid starters but thats about it. I thought Buddy Hield had bust written all over him and he is looking exactly like I thought he would. Still think he carves out a niche like Jodie Meeks. Jamal Murray is just a really streaky shooter, I can see him having a couple 50 point games in his career but I dont think hes ever going to be a star or anything. Still think his best role will be a 6th man.

Post #619 » by **bwgood77** » Wed Dec 14, 2016 6:12 pm

Watch on YouTube

Chuck Everett · Post #620 » by **Chuck Everett** » Wed Dec 14, 2016 10:00 pm

I haven't really seen much out of many of the rookies, but the biggest thing is that the rookies aren't really playing that much. I think we're going to have to wait till the second half of the season for some of these guys. Just remember CJ McCollum and Rudy Gobert were afterthoughts as rookies and now you look at the 2013 draft and wouldn't you know there are some serious ballers in it:

McCollum
Gobert
Giannis
Oladipo
Adams
Schroeder
Caldwell-Pope
Porter
C. Zeller
Mason Plumlee
Gorgui Dieng
Roberson

All those guys are starters (12 total). Three of them are all-star caliber.

Then other guys like Nerlens, Crabbe, Olynk, Solomon Hill, Muhammad, Abrines, Hardaway Jr., Len, Carter-Williams, Canaan, Muscala, James Ennis, Laveurgne, Neto, McLemore, Snell (didn't include Reggie Bullock or Trey Burke) who are in rotations.

For such a "terrible" draft, we still have 28 players still in the league and Len, Solomon, Ennis, Snell have all started this year as well for several games.

Not every draft has immediate impact players.

Who will make the All Rookie 1st Team?