Knicks not ruling out DRose extension later in the season

[nykballa2k4]

Barring major injury, it's looking more and more like that's what's gonna happen. And we'll be lucky to retain Jennings.
I think we should _try_ to retain both Jennings and Holiday.

if they make the 2nd round, i think for sure they'll try to bring everyone back and hope that kp, willy and whoever the rook is will offer enough internal improvement. maybe they'll give up a second or 2 to try get someone to take lance to accomplish that. not that lance is not playing ok now but he's kind of a luxury compared to jennings and holiday.

I think the bar is lower than that. We'll also have the not particularly impressive MLE if we extend Rose prior to free agency. Agreed that some smaller gymnastics between Willy/KOQ/Lance are probably necessary to round out the roster. Rose injury showed we're still thin on guards and it's looking like we miss on the better PG prospects.

Hey, can you merge this with the other Rose extension thread? Or would that be weird?


My 2 cents as I stated in the other thread:

Rose has been playing great and certainly is a breath of fresh air for us here after years of Felton, Bibby, Douglas, Duhon, Calderon, Larkin. Rose's '?' was never his play or skill, always been his health. The conversation should always lean "extend" while he he healthy and it will tip "never extend" if/when he is hurt. Then there is the matter of "contract year" to debate. From a 2k POV, we are best off trading Rose to a team that would want to extend him.

[NYKMentality85]

One thing about Rose, is he's very humble and has never spoken just for the sake of speaking. When Rose talks? He talks from the heart. And truth be told Rose has never gave to flying fks what the media has to say.

He's loved N.Y.C since day one. Being born & raised in a city like Chicago, Rose would've fell into a deep depression if he were traded to a place such as Phoenix or Denver etc. He's been excited, grateful & thankful to be a Knick since day one.

He's a Chicago kid who's been born to play under the bright lights of Manhattan. N.Y.C was a match made in heaven for D.Rose25.

Watch on YouTube

He was also quoted (just the other day) stating....

Finding out how we’re going to win games, we got 10 new people on the team—it’s not like they had a foundation here and we came right into it. We’re building the culture. We’re building the foundation now. I’m under a one-year contract so of course I want to play the rest of my life here.

Not only that but Rose has also stressed how important it is for him to find stability for not only himself, but also for his son.

[WherezDa90sNIX]

Rose played out last night... but 2 assist is little worrisome. Yet again, Melo had 7 so why not?
FYI: Kuze should have played some of Melo's mins against Lake.

[NYKMentality85]

Rose played out last night... but 2 assist is little worrisome. Yet again, Melo had 7 so why not?
FYI: Kuze should have played some of Melo's mins against Lake.

Nah. I mentioned during my postgame discussion that i focused closely on Rose every time he had the ball. Assist #'s are tricky and very misleading at times. Rose setup his teammates 5 times for wide open shot attempts; which didn't fall (3 from Melo). Rose could've easily had 6-7 assists last night but nonetheless when you're successful at a .750% rate from the field, you continue looking to create your own shots.

[DOT]

All i know is Rose has been balling out.

as he should be, if you're in a contract year and you don't ball out then truly something went wrong.

So Rose in a contract year shouldn't be trusted, but "ennings" and Holiday should be?
Contract year only applies to guys who are scrubs (LFT) who then magically appear out of the woodworks to have a great season (Kent Bazemore).
It doesn't work for someone like Rose who has worked his ass off trying to get back to being an elite player (he's not) through two major injuries which would be career ending for most players, especially one like Rose who relies heavily on athleticism.
I guess the Warriors shouldn't resign Kevin Durant or Stephen Curry, as they are clearly only trying to get paid and won't be anywhere near this level next year when they get that fat contract, like how DeMar DeRozan regressed so much this year

[Capn'O]

Hey, can you merge this with the other Rose extension thread? Or would that be weird?

Probably not a bad idea. I will a bit later so folks know where it went.

[DOT]

Therefore his player evaluation on players (such as Rose) should be taken with a grain of salt & mocked at the same time.

Also, this dude thinks we should get Jrue Holiday, even though he's missed 40 more games than Rose over the last three years

[DOT]

jrue

Looking at their stats, Jrue would be a slight upgrade, but not much else, and for people who complain about Roses injury history, he's played in about 40 more games than Jrue since the 2014 season

nah, yo. can't let that slide. jrue holiday ALWAYS injured. rose has had individual instances that have taken time to recover from. jrue misses like half of every season. i like him, but i'm more concerned about his ability to stay on the floor than rose's at this point in their careers.

I'm more worried about Holiday too, because I don't think Rose has had a major injury since the meniscus tear, and that was a few years ago, meanwhile Holiday never plays a complete season, and Bledsoe gets injured every other year (both players who I've been told by some people would be better for the Knicks than Rose)

[Dr. Detfink]

there is no money if you bring this current team back. the improvement is gonna have to come from within and with whoever you draft.

I've been saying that since preseason and so many have gotten bent out of shape.

You're not going to change Melo or Rose's game because this is who they are. That's also what you're paying them to be. There's a problem in this equation, if the Knicks re-sign Rose it's not going to solve their problem, being a horrific defensive team.

It's not disrespect against Rose or even Melo's coin. They earned it. They deserve it. It's the cap. It's the problem of a team that has many needs it's not addressing and a system that the players and coach are at odds with.

I agree. Giving into Rose's demands is not going to make this team THAT much better.

[Buttah304]

Below are quotes of which he's "contributed to" throughout the course of this Derrick Rose thread. What's scary (more like sad) is that these posts below are only from this (1) single thread. Unfourtnately he takes these same exact antics into each and every thread. Which is why I'm exposing of him.

only this franchise would be dumb enough to be fooled by a player playing for a contract.

this thread needs nykmentality saying something along the lines "derrick rose is back to an elite level

(long winded post about nothing)
....

...
.

derrick rose is worth 50mm per year and has made melo round back into form. i think he'll win an mvp this year."

huh?

do you not see how terrible he runs an offense?

do you not see that if he's not scoring, he's looking for his buddy melo?

derrick rose is everything this team should be against, has beens who still think they're entitled to call their number.

derrick rose isn't a good point guard, why is that hard to understand ? we're not making it up, he's clearly done and it's obvious to the eye.

don't show stats to NLR, it'll give him a headache.

if jrue's a shooting guard, what does that make derrick rose?

a shooting guard that can't shoot?

how could there be worse choices when rose is rated as one of the worst pg's in the nba

i mean it's like you guys are so battered that you're just grateful for anything. derrick rose isn't a good basketball player.

which is a barely .500 team, but enough to keep melo and fans that accept mediocrity happy with an 8th seed and being in the opening graphics for tnt playoff basketball.

oh and don't forget the threads trashing charles barkley because he thinks this team sucks. as always charles is right about the knicks.

sign patty mills and re-sign ennings, those 2 would be 10x's better than derrick rose.

:lol:

can keep spewing whatever you want, derrick rose isn't good and there's stats that support this.

he's not efficient and has tunnel vision.

he's not dead last like Derrick Rose

go ahead, still doesn't mean rose isn't trash

also rolo is 227th in the entire nba in RPM, while rose is 376th in the entire nba ... so whatever point you're trying to prove, keep in mind that rolo is more productive on the court than rose.

wow and you tell people that you're very knowledgable. okay bud, whatever makes you sleep at night.

one bricks 6 shots, the other bricks 16 shots
one runs an offense, the other is too dumb to run one
one plays defense, the other gets beat then blames his teammates

okay, how does this have to do with derrick rose being horrible?

so you agree rose is terrible?

but he doesn't make the team better, that's the thing. [quote/]

ketchup like tomato sauce homie.

And there you have it folks. Just about each post that bNo has posted within this Derrick Rose thread, consisting of nothing but repetitive hatred for that of Derrick Rose with multiple posts containing little to no substance whatsoever; other than more Derrick Rose hatred.

Mind you this is all coming from the same person who considered that the potential drafting of Steph Curry to N.Y as an "epic failure", Jennings as nothing more than a "10th man on everyone elses bench" and Derrick (freaking) Williams as being "better than any current Knicks bench player" ala Jennings, Kuzminskas, Hernangomez, O'Quinn & Holiday.

Therefore his player evaluation on players (such as Rose) should be taken with a grain of salt & mocked at the same time.[/quote]

ketchup like tomato sauce homie.[/quote]

[blueNorange]

All i know is Rose has been balling out.

as he should be, if you're in a contract year and you don't ball out then truly something went wrong.

So Rose in a contract year shouldn't be trusted, but "ennings" and Holiday should be?
Contract year only applies to guys who are scrubs (LFT) who then magically appear out of the woodworks to have a great season (Kent Bazemore).
It doesn't work for someone like Rose who has worked his ass off trying to get back to being an elite player (he's not) through two major injuries which would be career ending for most players, especially one like Rose who relies heavily on athleticism.
I guess the Warriors shouldn't resign Kevin Durant or Stephen Curry, as they are clearly only trying to get paid and won't be anywhere near this level next year when they get that fat contract, like how DeMar DeRozan regressed so much this year

contract year isn't something i made up, it's legit.

you're in the final year of a contract and want to make a lot of money, you play your best basketball.

[NYKMentality85]

Therefore his player evaluation on players (such as Rose) should be taken with a grain of salt & mocked at the same time.

Also, this dude thinks we should get Jrue Holiday, even though he's missed 40 more games than Rose over the last three years

No worries, he's only calling for "Jrue" because Jrue is currently not on the Knicks.

Kind of like how he immediately went to talking up Derrick Williams the moment he signed with the Heat; claiming Derrick Williams was (all of a sudden) better than any player on N.Y's bench (Jennings, Kuzminskas, Hernangomez, O'Quinn & Holiday).

And i really couldn't care less what the guy has to say about Jrue or Rose (i just don't appreciate his bold face lies). His player evaluation is that of an 8 year old. Any man who considered Steph Curry as an awful draft selection while talking up his favorites in Jonny Flynn & Ricky Rubio; no longer has an NBA right to talk about "guard play".

[NYKMentality85]

as he should be, if you're in a contract year and you don't ball out then truly something went wrong.

So Rose in a contract year shouldn't be trusted, but "ennings" and Holiday should be?
Contract year only applies to guys who are scrubs (LFT) who then magically appear out of the woodworks to have a great season (Kent Bazemore).
It doesn't work for someone like Rose who has worked his ass off trying to get back to being an elite player (he's not) through two major injuries which would be career ending for most players, especially one like Rose who relies heavily on athleticism.
I guess the Warriors shouldn't resign Kevin Durant or Stephen Curry, as they are clearly only trying to get paid and won't be anywhere near this level next year when they get that fat contract, like how DeMar DeRozan regressed so much this year

contract year isn't something i made up, it's legit.

you're in the final year of a contract and want to make a lot of money, you play your best basketball.

Then why have you been talking up Jrue Holiday, isn't he also in a "contract year"?

And was Derrick Rose in a "contract year" when he became the NBA's youngest MVP of All-Time?

[Nothing worse than little hypocritical hypocrites].

[blueNorange]

So Rose in a contract year shouldn't be trusted, but "ennings" and Holiday should be?
Contract year only applies to guys who are scrubs (LFT) who then magically appear out of the woodworks to have a great season (Kent Bazemore).
It doesn't work for someone like Rose who has worked his ass off trying to get back to being an elite player (he's not) through two major injuries which would be career ending for most players, especially one like Rose who relies heavily on athleticism.
I guess the Warriors shouldn't resign Kevin Durant or Stephen Curry, as they are clearly only trying to get paid and won't be anywhere near this level next year when they get that fat contract, like how DeMar DeRozan regressed so much this year

contract year isn't something i made up, it's legit.

you're in the final year of a contract and want to make a lot of money, you play your best basketball.

Then why have you been talking up Jrue Holiday, isn't he also in a "contract year"?

And was Derrick Rose in a "contract year" when he became the NBA's youngest MVP of All-Time?

[Nothing worse than little hypocritical hypocrites].

jrue is a free agent, but he's been consistent his entire career. he's not having a better season than previous. and i don't talk him up, i said he'd be a solid signing at pg because the knicks are going to screw it up and not have a top pick in a very pg dominant draft.

what does derrick rose winning the mvp 6 years ago have anything to do with derrick rose playing for a contract right now?

[DOT]

as he should be, if you're in a contract year and you don't ball out then truly something went wrong.

So Rose in a contract year shouldn't be trusted, but "ennings" and Holiday should be?
Contract year only applies to guys who are scrubs (LFT) who then magically appear out of the woodworks to have a great season (Kent Bazemore).
It doesn't work for someone like Rose who has worked his ass off trying to get back to being an elite player (he's not) through two major injuries which would be career ending for most players, especially one like Rose who relies heavily on athleticism.
I guess the Warriors shouldn't resign Kevin Durant or Stephen Curry, as they are clearly only trying to get paid and won't be anywhere near this level next year when they get that fat contract, like how DeMar DeRozan regressed so much this year

contract year isn't something i made up, it's legit.

you're in the final year of a contract and want to make a lot of money, you play your best basketball.

Ryan Anderson
Harrison Barnes
Nicolas Batum
Bradley Beal
Jordan Clarkson
Mike Conley
Seth Curry
Matthew Dellavedova
DeMar DeRozan
Andre Drummond
Kevin Durant
Tim Frazier
Langston Galloway
LeBron James
Richard Jefferson
Courtney Lee
Jeremy Lin
Luc Mbah a Moute
Chandler Parsons
Miles Plumlee
Rajon Rondo
Ish Smith
Mirza Teletovic
Garrett Temple
Anthony Tolliver
Dwyane Wade
Hassan Whiteside

All of these guys signed new deals in the offseason, and did not see a major reduction in numbers, or in some cases even improved their numbers.

So I guess since
Steven Adams
Rudy Gobert
Giannis Antetokounmpo
were just given large contract extensions they are scrubs now?
FOH

[DOT]

contract year isn't something i made up, it's legit.

you're in the final year of a contract and want to make a lot of money, you play your best basketball.

Then why have you been talking up Jrue Holiday, isn't he also in a "contract year"?

And was Derrick Rose in a "contract year" when he became the NBA's youngest MVP of All-Time?

[Nothing worse than little hypocritical hypocrites].

jrue is a free agent, but he's been consistent his entire career. he's not having a better season than previous. and i don't talk him up, i said he'd be a solid signing at pg because the knicks are going to screw it up and not have a top pick in a very pg dominant draft.

what does derrick rose winning the mvp 6 years ago have anything to do with derrick rose playing for a contract right now?

Ignoring Jrue's injury issues because they don't fit your agenda, eh?

[blueNorange]

So Rose in a contract year shouldn't be trusted, but "ennings" and Holiday should be?
Contract year only applies to guys who are scrubs (LFT) who then magically appear out of the woodworks to have a great season (Kent Bazemore).
It doesn't work for someone like Rose who has worked his ass off trying to get back to being an elite player (he's not) through two major injuries which would be career ending for most players, especially one like Rose who relies heavily on athleticism.
I guess the Warriors shouldn't resign Kevin Durant or Stephen Curry, as they are clearly only trying to get paid and won't be anywhere near this level next year when they get that fat contract, like how DeMar DeRozan regressed so much this year

contract year isn't something i made up, it's legit.

you're in the final year of a contract and want to make a lot of money, you play your best basketball.

Ryan Anderson
Harrison Barnes
Nicolas Batum
Bradley Beal
Jordan Clarkson
Mike Conley
Seth Curry
Matthew Dellavedova
DeMar DeRozan
Andre Drummond
Kevin Durant
Tim Frazier
Langston Galloway
LeBron James
Richard Jefferson
Courtney Lee
Jeremy Lin
Luc Mbah a Moute
Chandler Parsons
Miles Plumlee
Rajon Rondo
Ish Smith
Mirza Teletovic
Garrett Temple
Anthony Tolliver
Dwyane Wade
Hassan Whiteside

All of these guys signed new deals in the offseason, and did not see a major reduction in numbers, or in some cases even improved their numbers.

So I guess since
Steven Adams
Rudy Gobert
Giannis Antetokounmpo
were just given large contract extensions they are scrubs now?
FOH

at the guys bolded to beef up a list

also ..

did any of those players have 2 horrible knee surgeries?
did any of those players rate as the worst starting player in their respective positions 2 years in a row?

adams got the contract because he's consistent
gobert got the contract because he's consistent
giannis got the contract because he's consistent

derrick rose isn't consistent outside of the past 10 games or so. but don't worry i'll FOH.

[blueNorange]

Then why have you been talking up Jrue Holiday, isn't he also in a "contract year"?

And was Derrick Rose in a "contract year" when he became the NBA's youngest MVP of All-Time?

[Nothing worse than little hypocritical hypocrites].

jrue is a free agent, but he's been consistent his entire career. he's not having a better season than previous. and i don't talk him up, i said he'd be a solid signing at pg because the knicks are going to screw it up and not have a top pick in a very pg dominant draft.

what does derrick rose winning the mvp 6 years ago have anything to do with derrick rose playing for a contract right now?

Ignoring Jrue's injury issues because they don't fit your agenda, eh?

but you're ignoring rose's injury.

[Jose7]

Bno is a clown when it comes to basketball 0 clue about basketball..same guy who claimed steph curry would be a d league player out of the league...don't take his opinion and trolling seriously.

Back to the topic...that was the apex of roses game last night.

He's a big time driver to the basket, he can get anywhere on the court..don't expect to consistently create for others or find a trailer KP every times. He's a scorer..hes gonna require lots of attention..but he's not gonna always find people on the court open shots.

[blueNorange]

Bno is a clown when it comes to basketball 0 clue about basketball..same guy who claimed steph curry would be a d league player out of the league...don't take his opinion and trolling seriously.

Back to the topic...that was the apex of roses game last night.

He's a big time driver to the basket, he can get anywhere on the court..don't expect to consistently create for others or find a trailer KP every times. He's a scorer..hes gonna require lots of attention..but he's not gonna always find people on the court open shots.

i said curry is a glorified chucker, and he is. cleveland beat the warriors because they made curry put the ball on the floor which took him out of his greatest strength which is spotting up and shooting which he never misses.

and i also owned up to being wrong on him 3 years ago and admit to it everytime.