Knicks not ruling out DRose extension later in the season

[Yankeeknickfan]

Doing this would be dumb. I mean, what's the point? Even if he plays well, we should let him get through a full 82 game season(+ playoffs?), and see how healthy he is.

[cayuck]

Came here looking for actual insight on Derrick Rose and just find a couple posters in some bitter argument with a million old quotes I don't really care about, kinda sad since Rose is playing well.

Sounds like people are way to extreme about the situation. His knees will always be a factor when it comes to his contract, we will never be able to erase his old knee injuries so even for the people super high on Rose they have to admit there needs to be a lot of reservation about giving him max money and years.

That said, the people who think he's some terrible player or horrible point guard seem irrationally low on him. He's been adjusting to the new team and a new offense without preseason. It's been clear he doesn't see every open man, but as the season has gone on his vision and decision making have been getting better with each game. Obviously his elite skill is driving and finishing at the rim. He's not some superstar player, but he definitely has value as a player and contributes a lot. Some of his best moments have come when he has played as the SG so signing another PG doesn't seem out of the question even if Jennings is retained for the bench.

[blueNorange]

Doing this would be dumb. I mean, what's the point? Even if he plays well, we should let him get through a full 82 game season(+ playoffs?), and see how healthy he is.

i can agree to that.

[DOT]

Came here looking for actual insight on Derrick Rose and just find a couple posters in some bitter argument with a million old quotes I don't really care about, kinda sad since Rose is playing well.

Sounds like people are way to extreme about the situation. His knees will always be a factor when it comes to his contract, we will never be able to erase his old knee injuries so even for the people super high on Rose they have to admit there needs to be a lot of reservation about giving him max money and years.

That said, the people who think he's some terrible player or horrible point guard seem irrationally low on him. He's been adjusting to the new team and a new offense without preseason. It's been clear he doesn't see every open man, but as the season has gone on his vision and decision making have been getting better with each game. Obviously his elite skill is driving and finishing at the rim. He's not some superstar player, but he definitely has value as a player and contributes a lot. Some of his best moments have come when he has played as the SG so signing another PG doesn't seem out of the question even if Jennings is retained for the bench.

I'm just here for the guy BNO, he's a real clown, it's great
But seriously, on topic I'll repeat what I said at the beginning of the thread, If he stays healthy, plays more than 70 games with no serious concerns about his knees, I would be fine with a 2+1 extension for around 70 mil, I think that's fair. He will get max from someone, though, cause Mike Conley making 30 mil is going to set the bar for point guard contracts

[DOT]

Came here looking for actual insight on Derrick Rose and just find a couple posters in some bitter argument with a million old quotes I don't really care about, kinda sad since Rose is playing well.

Sounds like people are way to extreme about the situation. His knees will always be a factor when it comes to his contract, we will never be able to erase his old knee injuries so even for the people super high on Rose they have to admit there needs to be a lot of reservation about giving him max money and years.

That said, the people who think he's some terrible player or horrible point guard seem irrationally low on him. He's been adjusting to the new team and a new offense without preseason. It's been clear he doesn't see every open man, but as the season has gone on his vision and decision making have been getting better with each game. Obviously his elite skill is driving and finishing at the rim. He's not some superstar player, but he definitely has value as a player and contributes a lot. Some of his best moments have come when he has played as the SG so signing another PG doesn't seem out of the question even if Jennings is retained for the bench.

I'm just here for the guy BNO, he's a real clown, it's great
But seriously, on topic I'll repeat what I said at the beginning of the thread, If he stays healthy, plays more than 70 games with no serious concerns about his knees, I would be fine with a 2+1 extension for around 70 mil, I think that's fair. He will get max from someone, though, cause Mike Conley making 30 mil is going to set the bar for point guard contracts

[Capn'O]

4.9 assists to 2.7 turnovers; 16.8 points on 15.1 shots; 25.9% from three; 103 oRTG vs 113 dRTG; -1.6 bpm; .048ws/48; and 50.4% TS% (which is the first time it's been over 50% since 2011-2012...and is still significantly below league average).

That is very bad.

I thought I remembered a stats post from 2 weeks back and dug this out for comparison. Checking back in on these numbers:

4.6 assists ( )
2.5 TOs ( )
17.0 ppg ( )
14.8 shots ( )
24.2% from 3 ( )
106 oRTG ( )
114 dRTG ( )
-1.4 BPM ( )
.063 ws/48 ( )
.522 TS% ( )

Keeping in mind these numbers are still influenced by his early performance, which was remarkably bad. In short time, it is notable that he has improved on almost everything except assists, defensive rating, and 3 pt percentage. The latter concerns me less as his efficiency generally is improving.

His advanced metrics are trending upward and have been since about mid-November. Interested to watch if this is sustainable. If it is, I have to reconsider my initial stance as the eye test tells me he's meshing much better with the team. One critical element is whether Jennings or a similar distributor can be kept/obtained and how far back Noah comes as that mitigates Rose's limitations there.

[cayuck]

I'm just here for the guy BNO, he's a real clown, it's great
But seriously, on topic I'll repeat what I said at the beginning of the thread, If he stays healthy, plays more than 70 games with no serious concerns about his knees, I would be fine with a 2+1 extension for around 70 mil, I think that's fair. He will get max from someone, though, cause Mike Conley making 30 mil is going to set the bar for point guard contracts

I agree if he could have a mostly healthy 70ish game season I'd be happy with a two year deal and an option for a 3rd. If someone else is willing to give him the max I'd be very hesitant to match it though. This is where the Noah contract is really hurting us. Idk if we could restructure that deal or what, but at this point if we lose Rose I'd probably end up blaming Phil for giving Noah this crazy 4 year deal, hopefully Noah proves me wrong and actually shows he's worth it.

[NYKMentality85]

contract year isn't something i made up, it's legit.

you're in the final year of a contract and want to make a lot of money, you play your best basketball.

Then why have you been talking up Jrue Holiday, isn't he also in a "contract year"?

And was Derrick Rose in a "contract year" when he became the NBA's youngest MVP of All-Time?

[Nothing worse than little hypocritical hypocrites].

jrue is a free agent, but he's been consistent his entire career. he's not having a better season than previous. and i don't talk him up, i said he'd be a solid signing at pg because the knicks are going to screw it up and not have a top pick in a very pg dominant draft.

what does derrick rose winning the mvp 6 years ago have anything to do with derrick rose playing for a contract right now?

Consistent? The only thing Jrue has been "consistent with" is missing games due to injury.

Over the past two seasons Rose has played in a combined 129 games [129 starts] between 2014-2015 / 2015-2016; and has only misses two games here in 2016.

Over the past two seasons JRue has played in a combined 108 games [60 starts] between 2014- 2015 / 2015-2016 and has already missed 15 games here in 2016.

If JRue can't even remain healthy during a contract year, then what makes you seem to believe or feel he'll ever remain healthy?

[blueNorange]

Then why have you been talking up Jrue Holiday, isn't he also in a "contract year"?

And was Derrick Rose in a "contract year" when he became the NBA's youngest MVP of All-Time?

[Nothing worse than little hypocritical hypocrites].

jrue is a free agent, but he's been consistent his entire career. he's not having a better season than previous. and i don't talk him up, i said he'd be a solid signing at pg because the knicks are going to screw it up and not have a top pick in a very pg dominant draft.

what does derrick rose winning the mvp 6 years ago have anything to do with derrick rose playing for a contract right now?

Consistent? The only thing Jrue has been "consistent with" is missing games due to injury.

Over the past two seasons Rose has played in a combined 129 games [129 starts] between 2014-2015 / 2015-2016; and has only misses two games here in 2016.

Over the past two seasons JRue has played in a combined 108 games [60 starts] between 2014- 2015 / 2015-2016 and has already missed 15 games here in 2016.

If JRue can't even remain healthy during a contract year, then what makes you seem to believe or feel he'll ever remain healthy?

you do know holiday didn't play to start the season because he chose to be with his wife, who had a brain tumor right?

glad you think that's funny.

[NBA Fan 1234]

Jrue missed the first month of the season caring for his sick wife, not because he was hurt.

[DOT]

I'm just here for the guy BNO, he's a real clown, it's great
But seriously, on topic I'll repeat what I said at the beginning of the thread, If he stays healthy, plays more than 70 games with no serious concerns about his knees, I would be fine with a 2+1 extension for around 70 mil, I think that's fair. He will get max from someone, though, cause Mike Conley making 30 mil is going to set the bar for point guard contracts

I agree if he could have a mostly healthy 70ish game season I'd be happy with a two year deal and an option for a 3rd. If someone else is willing to give him the max I'd be very hesitant to match it though. This is where the Noah contract is really hurting us. Idk if we could restructure that deal or what, but at this point if we lose Rose I'd probably end up blaming Phil for giving Noah this crazy 4 year deal, hopefully Noah proves me wrong and actually shows he's worth it.

Even if we had the space, I'd still be hesitant. If he wants more than 3 ~80 (with an option), I say good luck, then use the space to resign Jennings and try my luck with the draft. I don't think Noah's deal is too bad, yet, but in years 3 and 4 it'll be no bueno. Regardless of what happens the rest of the season and into next year, we already did the hard part of rebuilding in finding our cornerstone (Kris), so it'll be interesting to see what we do

[Buttah304]

Then why have you been talking up Jrue Holiday, isn't he also in a "contract year"?

And was Derrick Rose in a "contract year" when he became the NBA's youngest MVP of All-Time?

[Nothing worse than little hypocritical hypocrites].

jrue is a free agent, but he's been consistent his entire career. he's not having a better season than previous. and i don't talk him up, i said he'd be a solid signing at pg because the knicks are going to screw it up and not have a top pick in a very pg dominant draft.

what does derrick rose winning the mvp 6 years ago have anything to do with derrick rose playing for a contract right now?

Consistent? The only thing Jrue has been "consistent with" is missing games due to injury.

Over the past two seasons Rose has played in a combined 129 games [129 starts] between 2014-2015 / 2015-2016; and has only misses two games here in 2016.

Over the past two seasons JRue has played in a combined 108 games [60 starts] between 2014- 2015 / 2015-2016 and has already missed 15 games here in 2016.

If JRue can't even remain healthy during a contract year, then what makes you seem to believe or feel he'll ever remain healthy?

Holiday missed that many games this year because his wife had a brain tumor. Doesn't sound like you are aware of that at all with your "contract year comment".

Last season Rose played 66 games and Holiday 65 so It's nice to see they are both healthy. Having said that I just think Holiday is the all around better player (shooter, defender, and floor general).

Give me Jrue and Justin all day.

[TruthBeTold]

The man had a good game and he has been decent so far as a Knick. I know knicks fans are not exactly the.....

Fans, wait until D-Rose complete the season before demanding that Phil should bring him back. What if CP3 decided NYC might be the place to be, especially if the knicks finish the season strong? Patient people.

Learn from the off season and go for the BEST AVAILABLE, NOT WHO YOU LIKE THE BEST.

[robillionaire]

cp3 will be 32 this season getting over the hill and still hasn't been to a conference finals because he is a choker, so I don't really want to lock him up for 4-5 years either

[ibraheim718]

Came here looking for actual insight on Derrick Rose and just find a couple posters in some bitter argument with a million old quotes I don't really care about, kinda sad since Rose is playing well.

So why not just leave the thread?

[ibraheim718]

Jrue missed the first month of the season caring for his sick wife, not because he was hurt.

How did they not know that? She's a USA soccer player.

[TruthBeTold]

cp3 will be 32 this season getting over the hill and still hasn't been to a conference finals because he is a choker, so I don't really want to lock him up for 4-5 years either

Don't judge a player base on age. Judge him base his consistent performance and how important he is to his team.

I wanted the Knicks to get Courtney Lee, but once I saw D-Wade become available, the choice was an easy one for me. Where would the Bulls be today without D-Wade? Does the Knicks still have a chance to make the Playoffs if Courtney Lee goes down and Justin Holiday steps in? At age 32, CP3 is still an elite point guard playing in the west. There is a pretty good chance he will be an all star again this year. Can you I honestly say the same for the younger Rose? Not right now. All I'm trying to say is focus on current performance and not age.

Believe me, I'm usually right about these things. Mostly because of my superior intelligence and wisdom.

[3toheadmelo]

Jrue also missed 3 games due to a toe injury. Don't act like he's been completely healthy so far

[JBreezeNY]

Jrue also missed 3 games due to a toe injury. Don't act like he's been completely healthy so far

3 games?

Meh

[cayuck]

Came here looking for actual insight on Derrick Rose and just find a couple posters in some bitter argument with a million old quotes I don't really care about, kinda sad since Rose is playing well.

So why not just leave the thread?

Because I was hoping to bring the thread back on topic and actually talk about Rose.

Do you hope every thread descends into a petty argument between two boring people?