Season Speculation, Trade Ideas and Discussion

[lilfishi22]

No way. Right now Warren is probably our best player.

Valancuinas for pj tucker, tyson chander and a future 1st rounder??

I'd still pass. Going after Valancuinas means we are going to try to win. Right now we're nowhere close to ready for this. Our team is super young and we need someone like Chandler for his leadership.

How could you see this move as us going for wins? We'd essentially be trading two old vets (who's job is to win) for a young big with potential who still hasn't reached his prime yet. We're going younger by trading for JV (doesn't turn 25 until the end of the season) and he's only YR1 into his new deal which I consider to be fairly reasonable for someone of his age, production and potential.

[sportscrazy]

If this off-season the Knicks were to offer Kyle O'Quinn, Lance Thomas and their 2018 First Round Draft Pick to Phoenix for pure cap space, would the Suns have any interest?

[lilfishi22]

If this off-season the Knicks were to offer Kyle O'Quinn, Lance Thomas and their 2018 First Round Draft Pick to Phoenix for pure cap space, would the Suns have any interest?

What kind of protection on that 1st round pick? This will basically be using our cap space for a 1st rounder from the Knicks

[TeamTragic]

If this off-season the Knicks were to offer Kyle O'Quinn, Lance Thomas and their 2018 First Round Draft Pick to Phoenix for pure cap space, would the Suns have any interest?

We don't need picks (we have youth and our own pick) and are not interested in becoming a non-profit NBA team.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

If this off-season the Knicks were to offer Kyle O'Quinn, Lance Thomas and their 2018 First Round Draft Pick to Phoenix for pure cap space, would the Suns have any interest?

We don't need picks (we have youth and our own pick) and are not interested in becoming a non-profit NBA team.

I actually think that's a pretty solid package of players. I'd probably take that over whatever free agent we'd be able to sign. Quality offer, imo.

[sportscrazy]

If this off-season the Knicks were to offer Kyle O'Quinn, Lance Thomas and their 2018 First Round Draft Pick to Phoenix for pure cap space, would the Suns have any interest?

We don't need picks (we have youth and our own pick) and are not interested in becoming a non-profit NBA team.

I actually think that's a pretty solid package of players. I'd probably take that over whatever free agent we'd be able to sign. Quality offer, imo.

My line of thinking is that O'Quinn allows you to let Alex Len get overpaid elsewhere, Lance Thomas takes over the P.J. Tucker minutes and your long-term cap picture isn't destroyed in the process while having 3 2018 first round picks between your own, Miami's and New York's plus Chriss, Bender, Booker and your 2017 first round pick and the veterans mixed in. It would allow for a "Consolidate for a Star Trade" Approach or "Let The Team Grow Together" Patient Approach.

[lilfishi22]

If this off-season the Knicks were to offer Kyle O'Quinn, Lance Thomas and their 2018 First Round Draft Pick to Phoenix for pure cap space, would the Suns have any interest?

We don't need picks (we have youth and our own pick) and are not interested in becoming a non-profit NBA team.

I actually think that's a pretty solid package of players. I'd probably take that over whatever free agent we'd be able to sign. Quality offer, imo.

For me, it's all about the protection on the pick. The Knicks currently owns a solid 14-10 record which is good for 3rd in the East but we're talking about the Knicks, they could still end up being 40-42. Next season, who knows. Zinger is dope but the rest of the team is meh, especially going forward with Melo, Rose and Noah all getting older. That pick could be top 10 pick in 2018 so the level of protection is vital. O'Quinn is not a bad big. A little undersized but he rebounds well and he's a good shot blocker. Thomas doesn't do much for me. Both are on reasonable deals and could be moved later on. The prize obviously is that pick and this deal isn't bad.

[bwgood77]

If this off-season the Knicks were to offer Kyle O'Quinn, Lance Thomas and their 2018 First Round Draft Pick to Phoenix for pure cap space, would the Suns have any interest?

We don't need picks (we have youth and our own pick) and are not interested in becoming a non-profit NBA team.

I actually think that's a pretty solid package of players. I'd probably take that over whatever free agent we'd be able to sign. Quality offer, imo.

I don't know what we'd do with Lance though. He has played less than 230 minutes this year for the Knicks and even if Tucker is gone, Lance is probably at best like having a more expensive version of him. He has shot well from 3 this year (45.5%) but only on 22 attempts. I just don't know if it's worth taking on the $7 million a year for the next 3.5 years when we have Dudley, Warren and two rookie PFs. His #s are just really ugly. http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/t/thomala01.html

I guess if he is just a bench guy that only plays if really needed and doesn't take too much time from young guys than getting another pick and a fairly solid big might be ok, but I'd probably prefer not to clog the cap space with another player that doesn't add anything to the team.

[sportscrazy]

We don't need picks (we have youth and our own pick) and are not interested in becoming a non-profit NBA team.

I actually think that's a pretty solid package of players. I'd probably take that over whatever free agent we'd be able to sign. Quality offer, imo.

For me, it's all about the protection on the pick. The Knicks currently owns a solid 14-10 record which is good for 3rd in the East but we're talking about the Knicks, they could still end up being 40-42. Next season, who knows. Zinger is dope but the rest of the team is meh, especially going forward with Melo, Rose and Noah all getting older. That pick could be top 10 pick in 2018 so the level of protection is vital. O'Quinn is not a bad big. A little undersized but he rebounds well and he's a good shot blocker. Thomas doesn't do much for me. Both are on reasonable deals and could be moved later on. The prize obviously is that pick and this deal isn't bad.

Let's say the premise is the Knicks are creating the cap space to guarantee Chris Paul coming to NY and protect the pick with a top 3 protection.

So you're getting a Knicks 2018 first round pick knowing they're adding Chris Paul right after the trade, but the only protection is top 3.

[lilfishi22]

We don't need picks (we have youth and our own pick) and are not interested in becoming a non-profit NBA team.

I actually think that's a pretty solid package of players. I'd probably take that over whatever free agent we'd be able to sign. Quality offer, imo.

I don't know what we'd do with Lance though. He has played less than 230 minutes this year for the Knicks and even if Tucker is gone, Lance is probably at best like having a more expensive version of him. He has shot well from 3 this year (45.5%) but only on 22 attempts. I just don't know if it's worth taking on the $7 million a year for the next 3.5 years when we have Dudley, Warren and two rookie PFs. His #s are just really ugly. http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/t/thomala01.html

Thomas does nothing for me and he's undoubtedly the bad contract among the assets coming back. If you consider him untradeable then this deal is probably off the table. If you think he can be moved later down the road then it may be worth taking on his deal for O'Quinn and the 1st.

[RunDogGun]

I've liked O'Quinn since he came into this league, so I'd have to crunch the numbers to see the worth for us. If we moved Knight and took back less salary, I could see this deal as a possibility. I'm a bit surprised that you didn't tap Philly first with a deal like this.

[lilfishi22]

I actually think that's a pretty solid package of players. I'd probably take that over whatever free agent we'd be able to sign. Quality offer, imo.

For me, it's all about the protection on the pick. The Knicks currently owns a solid 14-10 record which is good for 3rd in the East but we're talking about the Knicks, they could still end up being 40-42. Next season, who knows. Zinger is dope but the rest of the team is meh, especially going forward with Melo, Rose and Noah all getting older. That pick could be top 10 pick in 2018 so the level of protection is vital. O'Quinn is not a bad big. A little undersized but he rebounds well and he's a good shot blocker. Thomas doesn't do much for me. Both are on reasonable deals and could be moved later on. The prize obviously is that pick and this deal isn't bad.

Let's say the premise is the Knicks are creating the cap space to guarantee Chris Paul coming to NY and protect the pick with a top 3 protection.

So you're getting a Knicks 2018 first round pick knowing they're adding Chris Paul right after the trade, but the only protection is top 3.

So the risk is whether CP3 will join the Knicks in 2018 or not. If it's very likely to a guarantee that he's going to the Knicks, I'd probably walk away even with no protection. If it's 50/50 and top 3 protection on that pick, then I'd still consider it. That pick gets a whole lot more valuable if the Knicks strike out on CP3 and ends up with just cap space and the ageing players they have or hands out an ugly deal to a 4-5th tier PG.

[bwgood77]

I actually think that's a pretty solid package of players. I'd probably take that over whatever free agent we'd be able to sign. Quality offer, imo.

I don't know what we'd do with Lance though. He has played less than 230 minutes this year for the Knicks and even if Tucker is gone, Lance is probably at best like having a more expensive version of him. He has shot well from 3 this year (45.5%) but only on 22 attempts. I just don't know if it's worth taking on the $7 million a year for the next 3.5 years when we have Dudley, Warren and two rookie PFs. His #s are just really ugly. http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/t/thomala01.html

Thomas does nothing for me and he's undoubtedly the bad contract among the assets coming back. If you consider him untradeable then this deal is probably off the table. If you think he can be moved later down the road then it may be worth taking on his deal for O'Quinn and the 1st.

Well I assume if the Knicks are willing to trade a first rounder to get rid of him then he's pretty untradeable.

[TeamTragic]

If this off-season the Knicks were to offer Kyle O'Quinn, Lance Thomas and their 2018 First Round Draft Pick to Phoenix for pure cap space, would the Suns have any interest?

We don't need picks (we have youth and our own pick) and are not interested in becoming a non-profit NBA team.

I actually think that's a pretty solid package of players. I'd probably take that over whatever free agent we'd be able to sign. Quality offer, imo.

How it is a solid package? We already have youth that needs time to develop and has barely played this season. We don't need more picks as we already will have a high pick in the next draft. We have multiple players (including maybe Bledsoe) that we might trade depending on free agancy.

Why should we help the Knicks? Maybe they should try to sucker a different team.

[nbafan341]

No way. Right now Warren is probably our best player.

Valancuinas for pj tucker, tyson chander and a future 1st rounder??

Top 8 protection and I'd probably do it

I was thinking a future 1st rounder way into te future when the suns are in the playoffs and the pick is a mid/15-20 but top 8 protected works too! love jv and his potential but hes not developing wuick enough for a team that wants to contend and chandler looks like he can still have another run left in the tank.

[bwgood77]

Valancuinas for pj tucker, tyson chander and a future 1st rounder??

Top 8 protection and I'd probably do it

I was thinking a future 1st rounder way into te future when the suns are in the playoffs and the pick is a mid/15-20 but top 8 protected works too! love jv and his potential but hes not developing wuick enough for a team that wants to contend and chandler looks like he can still have another run left in the tank.

It would have to be a first rounder that turned into two seconds after a couple years and never became less protected or unprotected. I haven't watched enough of JV to know if I'd do it, especially if we are going to keep Len. He's a solid rebounder, but so is Len, and although his contract might not be that bad, he still will make close to $50 million over the next 3 years. All I've read is that he is slow on defense without much rim protection.

It seems like most Toronto fans are lower on JV than Suns fans are on Len, and I don't know if he's better enough to give up on Len and give up a first, and I don't want to necessarily pay both contracts in that range or let Len walk for nothing while trading for someone who might not be that much better.

It seems like a fairly reasonable trade, but a lot depends on the plans for Len. I think right now is just bad timing to do something like that.

[nbafan341]

Top 8 protection and I'd probably do it

I was thinking a future 1st rounder way into te future when the suns are in the playoffs and the pick is a mid/15-20 but top 8 protected works too! love jv and his potential but hes not developing wuick enough for a team that wants to contend and chandler looks like he can still have another run left in the tank.

It would have to be a first rounder that turned into two seconds after a couple years and never became less protected or unprotected. I haven't watched enough of JV to know if I'd do it, especially if we are going to keep Len. He's a solid rebounder, but so is Len, and although his contract might not be that bad, he still will make close to $50 million over the next 3 years. All I've read is that he is slow on defense without much rim protection.

It seems like most Toronto fans are lower on JV than Suns fans are on Len, and I don't know if he's better enough to give up on Len and give up a first, and I don't want to necessarily pay both contracts in that range or let Len walk for nothing while trading for someone who might not be that much better.

It seems like a fairly reasonable trade, but a lot depends on the plans for Len. I think right now is just bad timing to do something like that.

Ill be honest with you, that is JV huge problem. He is slow and seems a bit unmotivated. He had terrific offensive potential and I firmly believe he could eventually become anservicable defender on a developing team that wont scapegoat him like the raptors. I have faith hed give any other team in the nba 12/8

[TeamTragic]

I actually think that's a pretty solid package of players. I'd probably take that over whatever free agent we'd be able to sign. Quality offer, imo.

For me, it's all about the protection on the pick. The Knicks currently owns a solid 14-10 record which is good for 3rd in the East but we're talking about the Knicks, they could still end up being 40-42. Next season, who knows. Zinger is dope but the rest of the team is meh, especially going forward with Melo, Rose and Noah all getting older. That pick could be top 10 pick in 2018 so the level of protection is vital. O'Quinn is not a bad big. A little undersized but he rebounds well and he's a good shot blocker. Thomas doesn't do much for me. Both are on reasonable deals and could be moved later on. The prize obviously is that pick and this deal isn't bad.

Let's say the premise is the Knicks are creating the cap space to guarantee Chris Paul coming to NY and protect the pick with a top 3 protection.

So you're getting a Knicks 2018 first round pick knowing they're adding Chris Paul right after the trade, but the only protection is top 3.

Paul is going to leave that Clipper lineup to play with trash in New York? Come on man. This whole Knicks are going to get a superstar just because they have Porzingis is getting really old.

[NavLDO]

Would suns be interested in cory joseph for Pj tucker and Tyson Chandler?

To me the value here is so far off that I wouldn't have thought an offer like this would even be suggested. I'm wondering where the disconnect is? Are you viewing Chandler as a negative perhaps, maybe because of contract or age? I'm not overly familiar with Cory but I thought he was in PJ's ballpark, a below average player that can help a team in short stretches. Is that not his level?

If values were reasonably equal (and I don't think they're even close) I would say it's still a no go. We have far greater need at the center spot than we do at guard.

Sorry, let me rephrase this: jonas valancuinas + delon wright for tj warren and tyson chandler?

Seriously. That's like us coming to you with Alex Len and Tyler Ulis for Kyle Lowry and Lucas Nogueira

[Kerrsed]

I want nothing to do with JV.

I mean when his own team cant trust him with minutes (specially in crunch time) that really says something about him and his potential. The kid is lackluster and suffers from being even more-so inconsistent than our own Alex Len. His offense is a bit better than Len's but his defense is just as bad. Here we are trying to justify re-signing Len and some are ok with trading for his carbon copy thats making $14M/$15M/$16M/$17M a season!

F that noise!

Id rather just trade Knight for Noel. You know what you are getting from him night in and night out, defense and rebounding, the two things that this team really needs from their C spot. Im also sure that re-signing him could come out cheaper in the long run as well.

Just say NO to JV, there is a reason that Raptor fans are trying their damnedest to pawn him off on other teams.