Joel Embiid -- The Process is now Live

[Kobblehead]

Guys, BB needs to pump up either Noel and Okofar if we want to have a chance to trade one of them.

Who cares? Neither of those players are important. Neither is the compensation for them. Not in comparison to the development of Embiid and Simmons.

Are you saying you don't care about improving their trade value?

Not at the expense of developing Embiid and/or Simmons. Everything pales in comparison.

[kriss73]

Guys, BB needs to pump up either Noel and Okofar if we want to have a chance to trade one of them.

Who cares? Neither of those players are important. Neither is the compensation for them. Not in comparison to the development of Embiid and Simmons.

It depends: how long?
For a month or so? Why not, both Embiid and Saric are versatile players, in a way that Noel and Okafor will never be.
So they can try something new, maybe useful in the future, and you can show up Jah and Nerlens in the meantime
All season long? In this case it's a bad idea.

[Negrodamus]

I don't think Embiid playing the "4" really matters. He's not going to defend the stretch big man in games unless he switches on screens (a distinct, yet welcomed possibility), so that's not the problem at hand. On offense, he's going to do much like he's already doing: pick and pop, pick and roll, take his man off the dribble, post his man up.

I think this board might be a bit too label crazy. Embiid is going to do whatever the hell he wants to on offense because he can literally do everything. Perhaps forcing the other team's shot blocker, like a Gobert or Whiteside, to defend Embiid on the perimeter is one of his greatest assets. Think about that when a 6'7, or under, defender is being posted up by Ben Simmons with no backside shot blocking. If Embiid being on the perimeter makes him a "4", then he can be a 4. The matchup nightmare other teams will face will be extraordinary regardless. That's why I'm advocating Nerlens getting re-signed and being our starting stretch big man defender. No one is going to stop Embiid, Simmons, and (insert top 2017 draft pick here) on offense. No one is going to take advantage of Embiid and Noel on defense.

Thinking about the Simmons, Noel, Embiid front court has me excited. I loved this tweet today:

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Yea, and his lack of rebounding doesn't matter. Embiid and Simmons put up freakish rebound numbers in college. They'll be able to use that ability with our length contesting every shot. Noel will be the big man version of Marcus Smart except he doesn't shoot 5 threes a game.

[LloydFree]

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Just what I feared. Instead of using his 1st year to develop this guy into a low post beast like Olajuwon, theyre hell bent on having him play the 4 to accommodate lesser players.

The Anthony Davis syndrome

Oh well. In 2014, I guess we would have been happy if Embiid turned out to be a Patrick Ewing-like, jumpshooting Center. I was hoping for Olajuwon, but I guess I'll have to settle for the lesser Hall of Famer.

[Ericb5]

Just what I feared. Instead of using his 1st year to develop this guy into a low post beast like Olajuwon, theyre hell bent on having him play the 4 to accommodate lesser players.

The Anthony Davis syndrome

Oh well. In 2014, I guess we would have been happy if Embiid turned out to be a Patrick Ewing-like, jumpshooting Center. I was hoping for Olajuwon, but I guess I'll have to settle for the lesser Hall of Famer.

Even in this scenario though he would only be playing the 4 for about a quarter to a third of his minutes, as it would only be when he is sharing the court with one of the other two guys. One of the other two HAVE to be traded anyway so I am talking about the scenario where only one of them exist on the Sixers.

The rest of the minutes (whichever player between Okafor and Noel stays)will get, would be backing up the 5 when Embiid is on the bench.

At this point though I am starting to just assume that both Okafor and Noel will be traded eventually and this will be a non issue.

[sixers hoops]

so I've been spending way too much time thinking about this, but this next week or so we have
4 consecutive home games- Toronto, LA Lakers, Brooklyn, New Orleans

my thinking is the Toronto game is a automatic loss, where we could win the next 3. i wonder if they would sit him against Toronto and play him the other 3 and let him get us some wins.

probably not.

He's played like 3 times in the last two weeks. None of those are back to backs, not sure why he wouldn't play in all 4.

maybe, it just seems rare that he plays in 4 consecutive games.

Well, he wouldn't play 4 consecutive if there were any back to backs in there, since he doesn't play in back to backs.

If there are no back to backs, he would most likely play all four.

[sixers hoops]

He's played like 3 times in the last two weeks. None of those are back to backs, not sure why he wouldn't play in all 4.

maybe, it just seems rare that he plays in 4 consecutive games.

Well, he wouldn't play 4 consecutive if there were any back to backs in there, since he doesn't play in back to backs.

If there are no back to backs, he would most likely play all four.

Actually it looks like he missed 3 games that weren't back to backs , so you may be right.

[76ciology]

If you are just going to waste Noel's rim protection at 4, then why not just play ilyasova/RoCo at four against stretch 4s while also providing offense/spacing on the other end.

I really like the Noel playing with a unit that plays fast paced heavy volume 3s while anchoring the D At the second unit though.

[Kirk Van Houten]

If you are just going to waste Noel's rim protection at 4, then why not just play ilyasova/RoCo at four against stretch 4s while also providing offense/spacing on the other end.

I really like the Noel playing with a unit that plays fast paced heavy volume 3s while anchoring the D At the second unit though.

I think everyone likes the idea of Noel with the second unit. It's up to BB & BC to convince him of taking on a 6th man salary and role. Both of which will be difficult.


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[TeamHigh]

I think this board might be a bit too label crazy. Embiid is going to do whatever the hell he wants to on offense because he can literally do everything. Perhaps forcing the other team's shot blocker, like a Gobert or Whiteside, to defend Embiid on the perimeter is one of his greatest assets.

Here's a thing I don't understand whenever people mention this. Why would a Gobert or Whiteside be guarding Embiid at all if Embiid is floating out on the perimeter in order to accommodate another player in the post? Why wouldn't they stay home in the post and guard that player and help on Embiid if he tries to take it inside?

Then Embiid has to deal with a quicker, peskier perimeter 4 who can better harass his outside shot, and Gobert or Whiteside swallows up Jah or Noel inside, and your offense stalls.

The reason Embiid is so effective outside is because, at the 5, he forces the opponent's rim protection out all the way to the perimeter and opens up driving lanes with his mere presence. Then add his shooting touch + driving ability and it's easy to see why he's effective there.

None of that applies when there's another low post player that shifts the defense over to him.

[PhilasFinest]

I think this board might be a bit too label crazy. Embiid is going to do whatever the hell he wants to on offense because he can literally do everything. Perhaps forcing the other team's shot blocker, like a Gobert or Whiteside, to defend Embiid on the perimeter is one of his greatest assets.

Here's a thing I don't understand whenever people mention this. Why would a Gobert or Whiteside be guarding Embiid at all if Embiid is floating out on the perimeter in order to accommodate another player in the post? Why wouldn't they stay home in the post and guard that player and help on Embiid if he tries to take it inside?

Then Embiid has to deal with a quicker, peskier perimeter 4 who can better harass his outside shot, and Gobert or Whiteside swallows up Jah or Noel inside, and your offense stalls.

The reason Embiid is so effective outside is because, at the 5, he forces the opponent's rim protection out all the way to the perimeter and opens up driving lanes with his mere presence. Then add his shooting touch + driving ability and it's easy to see why he's effective there.

None of that applies when there's another low post player that shifts the defense over to him.

The thing is....just because your on the floor to "space" it, doesn't mean you HAVE to stay out on the perimeter exclusively.

If you want to put a smaller, quicker 4 on Embiid to contest his jumper, Embiid can easily just turn and back him down. If the 5 leaves to double, its leaving someone open.

[76ciology]

And that's why Embiid is special. He can space the floor like a 4 and anchor the D like a 5, unlike other bigs like DMC, AD, KAT and KP. That said, you can place a stretch 4 with him to give you optimal spacing on offense while always have his ELITE defensive presence.

[phifans]

I think this board might be a bit too label crazy. Embiid is going to do whatever the hell he wants to on offense because he can literally do everything. Perhaps forcing the other team's shot blocker, like a Gobert or Whiteside, to defend Embiid on the perimeter is one of his greatest assets.

Here's a thing I don't understand whenever people mention this. Why would a Gobert or Whiteside be guarding Embiid at all if Embiid is floating out on the perimeter in order to accommodate another player in the post? Why wouldn't they stay home in the post and guard that player and help on Embiid if he tries to take it inside?

Then Embiid has to deal with a quicker, peskier perimeter 4 who can better harass his outside shot, and Gobert or Whiteside swallows up Jah or Noel inside, and your offense stalls.

The reason Embiid is so effective outside is because, at the 5, he forces the opponent's rim protection out all the way to the perimeter and opens up driving lanes with his mere presence. Then add his shooting touch + driving ability and it's easy to see why he's effective there.

None of that applies when there's another low post player that shifts the defense over to him.

The thing is....just because your on the floor to "space" it, doesn't mean you HAVE to stay out on the perimeter exclusively.

If you want to put a smaller, quicker 4 on Embiid to contest his jumper, Embiid can easily just turn and back him down. If the 5 leaves to double, its leaving someone open.

People just forget that In basketball game Power Forward is also a big man. Maybe in small ball theory 4 means more like a taller shooter for them.

[Sixerscan]

Here's a thing I don't understand whenever people mention this. Why would a Gobert or Whiteside be guarding Embiid at all if Embiid is floating out on the perimeter in order to accommodate another player in the post? Why wouldn't they stay home in the post and guard that player and help on Embiid if he tries to take it inside?

Then Embiid has to deal with a quicker, peskier perimeter 4 who can better harass his outside shot, and Gobert or Whiteside swallows up Jah or Noel inside, and your offense stalls.

The reason Embiid is so effective outside is because, at the 5, he forces the opponent's rim protection out all the way to the perimeter and opens up driving lanes with his mere presence. Then add his shooting touch + driving ability and it's easy to see why he's effective there.

None of that applies when there's another low post player that shifts the defense over to him.

The thing is....just because your on the floor to "space" it, doesn't mean you HAVE to stay out on the perimeter exclusively.

If you want to put a smaller, quicker 4 on Embiid to contest his jumper, Embiid can easily just turn and back him down. If the 5 leaves to double, its leaving someone open.

People just forget that In basketball game Power Forward is also a big man. Maybe in small ball theory 4 means more like a taller shooter for them.

Depends on the offense you run.

Doubt they'd actually run a 4 out set with Embiid out there with another center though. Lot of horns I'm guessing.

Embiid is really good guys. It's probably not going to be a disaster at the level of Noel/Okafor no matter what they do with him. Just a question of if it's better or worse than the alternatives.

[Mik317]

Embiid has virtually been playing the 4 all season with the way we struggle to get him the ball down low lol.

[Eta Carinae]

This feels like a hot take. I prefer Embiid at 5 also but his BB cap is so incredibly high that I feel like he will only become better by playing some minutes at 4 and learn patterns and so on. As someone mentioned earlier it will probably not be many minutes anyway.

[Ericb5]

This feels like a hot take. I prefer Embiid at 5 also but his BB cap is so incredibly high that I feel like he will only become better by playing some minutes at 4 and learn patterns and so on. As someone mentioned earlier it will probably not be many minutes anyway.

I'm for anything that grows his skills and experience, but long term, I want him doing what he is best at, and not just what he CAN do.

Embiid and Simmons are the future of this team, and I want them to have the maximum freedom to play in the most effective ways, and that will probably mean that Okafor and Noel will have to be traded. I don't want that to be the case, but if we are being realistic, it probably WILL be the case at least in the long run.

I'm going to just stop worrying about it. Our 2017 pick and the Lakers pick will turn out to be more important for this team than Okafor and Noel.


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[Ericb5]

Double post

[Negrodamus]

I think this board might be a bit too label crazy. Embiid is going to do whatever the hell he wants to on offense because he can literally do everything. Perhaps forcing the other team's shot blocker, like a Gobert or Whiteside, to defend Embiid on the perimeter is one of his greatest assets.

Here's a thing I don't understand whenever people mention this. Why would a Gobert or Whiteside be guarding Embiid at all if Embiid is floating out on the perimeter in order to accommodate another player in the post? Why wouldn't they stay home in the post and guard that player and help on Embiid if he tries to take it inside?

Then Embiid has to deal with a quicker, peskier perimeter 4 who can better harass his outside shot, and Gobert or Whiteside swallows up Jah or Noel inside, and your offense stalls.

The reason Embiid is so effective outside is because, at the 5, he forces the opponent's rim protection out all the way to the perimeter and opens up driving lanes with his mere presence. Then add his shooting touch + driving ability and it's easy to see why he's effective there.

None of that applies when there's another low post player that shifts the defense over to him.

Then you let Embiid feast on Favors or Luke Babbit (is he starting for the Heat?) in the post. You take what the defense gives you. Everyone isn't stationary on the court at the fan's conceived idea of what their position is.

[Eta Carinae]

This feels like a hot take. I prefer Embiid at 5 also but his BB cap is so incredibly high that I feel like he will only become better by playing some minutes at 4 and learn patterns and so on. As someone mentioned earlier it will probably not be many minutes anyway.

I'm for anything that grows his skills and experience, but long term, I want him doing what he is best at, and not just what he CAN do.

Embiid and Simmons are the future of this team, and I want them to have the maximum freedom to play in the most effective ways, and that will probably mean that Okafor and Noel will have to be traded. I don't want that to be the case, but if we are being realistic, it probably WILL be the case at least in the long run.

I'm going to just stop worrying about it. Our 2017 pick and the Lakers pick will turn out to be more important for this team than Okafor and Noel.


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Agree. I think he is already finding a pretty good balance between when to post and when to float out to the line. I also think that for now the 3 pointer has been a very good option when hes not finding position low or getting stagnant with the ball. But I am no expert