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Grading Hornacek

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Re: Grading Hornacek 

Post#141 » by NYKAL » Tue Dec 13, 2016 7:00 pm

Dr. Detfink wrote:Jeff has the Knicks playing like the East Coast version of the Phoenix Suns. They're fun to watch. Scoring in bunches but no threat to Raptors or Cavs until they work on that -2.3 differential. Problem, I don't think the Knicks can get better on D to pose a serious conference final threat.


agreed. We have guys willing to defend but, only a couple of decent defenders. We don't have a single guy who can lock-down his or a position. Not a single one. We need at least one stopper, preferably at the guard/small forwards position(s). Its one of the reasons I was so high on Thansis last season. Thought if he could ever learn so slow down a bit, he might be an NBA player but that boat has sailed.
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Re: Grading Hornacek 

Post#142 » by Riot Randolph » Tue Dec 13, 2016 7:23 pm

Dr. Detfink wrote:Jeff has the Knicks playing like the East Coast version of the Phoenix Suns. They're fun to watch. Scoring in bunches but no threat to Raptors or Cavs until they work on that -2.3 differential. Problem, I don't think the Knicks can get better on D to pose a serious conference final threat.

..take out b2b and that differential disappears...
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Post#143 » by KP6 » Tue Dec 13, 2016 7:54 pm

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KP6 wrote:C from me, we are a .500 team and thats middle of the road in my book.


KP6 wrote:We are what you are and we are 7-7 and there no hiding from that fact.

that Sir is a C grade
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Well, we're no longer just a ".500 team". We're going for 5 games above .500 (15-10) with a win over Hornacek's former (Phoenix) team and have gone 7-3 throughout our past 10 games (since this thread was created).

We've now won 10 out of our previous 14 games (10-4) and 6-1 throughout our previous 7 games as well as 4 consecutive road victories.

We're no longer a "middle of the road team" either ala a win tonight and we'll own an NBA top 10 record.

Just wondering if you've changed your tune in regards to Horny just yet? Because at this rate he'll contend for Coach of the Year honors.

Nonetheless he's doing all of this during only his 1st season in N.Y within a team that's featuring 10 players in whom weren't on the roster last year (including 5 rookies & 1 second year player). In short no NBA head coach is going through as much (current) roster-turnover in comparison to that of Jeff Hornacek.

A++ thus far.


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Re: Grading Hornacek 

Post#144 » by DOT » Tue Dec 13, 2016 8:18 pm

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Dr. Detfink wrote:Jeff has the Knicks playing like the East Coast version of the Phoenix Suns. They're fun to watch. Scoring in bunches but no threat to Raptors or Cavs until they work on that -2.3 differential. Problem, I don't think the Knicks can get better on D to pose a serious conference final threat.

..take out b2b and that differential disappears...

Yeah, I don't know what it is with all these people who just love to spurt out the -2.3 point differential like we haven't lost three games by 30 points and every other game has been close. The same thing happened to the Grizzlies last year, I believe, where they would either get blown out or have a close game
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Re: Grading Hornacek 

Post#145 » by misterfrazier10 » Tue Dec 13, 2016 8:58 pm

Dr. Detfink wrote:Jeff has the Knicks playing like the East Coast version of the Phoenix Suns. They're fun to watch. Scoring in bunches but no threat to Raptors or Cavs until they work on that -2.3 differential. Problem, I don't think the Knicks can get better on D to pose a serious conference final threat.


I took a look at this

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2017.html

and based on it I am still skeptical. I would wait to the 35th game or around ten games away to weigh in, bit it's gonna be at least a C and hopefully strong B.
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Re: Grading Hornacek 

Post#146 » by don't panac » Tue Dec 13, 2016 9:04 pm

K-DOT wrote:
knicks85 wrote:
Dr. Detfink wrote:Jeff has the Knicks playing like the East Coast version of the Phoenix Suns. They're fun to watch. Scoring in bunches but no threat to Raptors or Cavs until they work on that -2.3 differential. Problem, I don't think the Knicks can get better on D to pose a serious conference final threat.

..take out b2b and that differential disappears...

Yeah, I don't know what it is with all these people who just love to spurt out the -2.3 point differential like we haven't lost three games by 30 points and every other game has been close. The same thing happened to the Grizzlies last year, I believe, where they would either get blown out or have a close game


just take out the two cavs games and the differential is +0.4
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Re: Grading Hornacek 

Post#147 » by Dr. Detfink » Tue Dec 13, 2016 9:07 pm

don't panac wrote:
K-DOT wrote:
knicks85 wrote:..take out b2b and that differential disappears...

Yeah, I don't know what it is with all these people who just love to spurt out the -2.3 point differential like we haven't lost three games by 30 points and every other game has been close. The same thing happened to the Grizzlies last year, I believe, where they would either get blown out or have a close game


just take out the two cavs games and the differential is +0.4


Meh. Just take out any team with a winning record and the Knicks are plus 7.
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Re: Grading Hornacek 

Post#148 » by MadGrinch » Wed Dec 14, 2016 1:47 am

i gave him a C they are winning ok , the offense has been good but the defense has been absolutely dreadful
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Re: Grading Hornacek 

Post#149 » by BKAY » Wed Dec 14, 2016 2:03 am

Too early to say. His quizzes and tests add up to an A for me so far but we'll see how he finished the year out. Still in the honeymoon phase and ish can go sour quick in NBA. So far, he certainly hasn't done anything to lose the job.
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Re: Grading Hornacek 

Post#150 » by cayuck » Wed Dec 14, 2016 7:40 am

Not sure what Hornacek can do to get the team to take the next step. The defense is clearly the area where any improvement would help their chances a lot. Not sure if there are any moves to be made by Phil, maybe he can bring in 1 or 2 bench players, but it seems like mostly Hornacek will have to figure out a way to make this defense more effective with the pieces he has.
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Post#151 » by Adelheid » Wed Dec 14, 2016 8:15 am

Replace Kurt nuff said
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Post#152 » by BasicBall » Wed Dec 14, 2016 8:26 am

Good coach, good personality, good use of his bench, everyone stays ready. Wish he'd use Melo @ 4 a bit more but I get it. I think we got lucky getting him as coach. He's got a system and style of play that will attract free agents
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Re: Grading Hornacek 

Post#153 » by RiseOfTheEmpire » Thu Dec 15, 2016 3:55 am

Best coach we've had in a long, long time. There are very few cerebral coaches in the league, most are washed up retreads going from team to team, but Hornacek is a thinking man who makes reads and makes decisions, sometimes they backfire, sure (even Popovich pulled Duncan one time to blow a Finals win) but at least he doesn't stand around with his arms crossed chewing gum waiting for something to happen.

He does things in games that I do in 2K, it's unreal. First time we've had a coach that actually does something you're at home thinking, gets an A from me. Hope he stays, learns and grows with this organization.
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Re: Grading Hornacek 

Post#154 » by blanko » Thu Dec 15, 2016 4:07 am

I think he is a good coach. But I think there was some struggle with Phil earlier on how much triangle they would run. I don't think you can run the triangle with 9 new players on the roster. Jeff is doing the right thing by using it in deadball situations. As for the defense, he wanted to hire his old defensive coach but he is on the cavs staff and they refused to release him.


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Re: Grading Hornacek 

Post#155 » by PrecociousNeoph » Thu Dec 15, 2016 6:45 am

under the circumstances he's done a good job. hes definitely been better than derek fisher who somehow couldnt even settle on a rotation until like half the season was over
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Re: Grading Hornacek 

Post#156 » by N8isScofield » Thu Dec 15, 2016 7:50 am

DievsZingis wrote:Best coach we've had in a long, long time. There are very few cerebral coaches in the league, most are washed up retreads going from team to team, but Hornacek is a thinking man who makes reads and makes decisions, sometimes they backfire, sure (even Popovich pulled Duncan one time to blow a Finals win) but at least he doesn't stand around with his arms crossed chewing gum waiting for something to happen.

He does things in games that I do in 2K, it's unreal. First time we've had a coach that actually does something you're at home thinking, gets an A from me. Hope he stays, learns and grows with this organization.

I'm not sure how similar a coach's in game moves are to a random internet person's in a video game is the proper metric to judge their performance but I would agree with the rest of what you said. :lol:
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Re: Grading Hornacek 

Post#157 » by CJackson » Thu Dec 15, 2016 7:57 am

Don't let the smile fool you. Jeff is the toughest, most independent minded coach we've had this century. And he's also good at his job and he is still relatively inexperienced as a coach with plenty of upside to become a great coach.
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Re: Grading Hornacek 

Post#158 » by RiseOfTheEmpire » Thu Dec 15, 2016 11:11 am

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DievsZingis wrote:Best coach we've had in a long, long time. There are very few cerebral coaches in the league, most are washed up retreads going from team to team, but Hornacek is a thinking man who makes reads and makes decisions, sometimes they backfire, sure (even Popovich pulled Duncan one time to blow a Finals win) but at least he doesn't stand around with his arms crossed chewing gum waiting for something to happen.

He does things in games that I do in 2K, it's unreal. First time we've had a coach that actually does something you're at home thinking, gets an A from me. Hope he stays, learns and grows with this organization.

I'm not sure how similar a coach's in game moves are to a random internet person's in a video game is the proper metric to judge their performance but I would agree with the rest of what you said. :lol:


I play some serious team ball on 2K unlike most who chuck with one player :lol: Seriously though, how often do we think to ourselves what the coach should do during games? We do it in the game threads, it's natural, and when I play, I do the same, only I actually have the power to make the change lol. For example, I've stayed with our bench players in a damn video game, and when I see Carmelo, Rose or Noah riding Jeff's pine while guys like Baker and Co. are cutting a 14 point lead I say holy ****, this guy has some balls to actually do this. It's working and he's sticking with it. Granted, he may have for too long last night, but at least he coached.

Kyle's stat line in the same game was tremendous, but his pick and roll defense was killing us in the 4th, that's why he got pulled. Many didn't see this, just saw that Kyle was scoring and thought Jeff didn't know what he was doing. The reason why I was flabbergasted last night was because I'VE PULLED KYLE IN GAMES FOR THE SAME REASON. I saw what was happening last night on defense but thought Jeff wouldn't do it because Kyle is scoring and this is real life, but he did and it blew my mind! That's what I meant lol.

Fisher for example would stick to his rotations and take out a scorching Melo in the first quarter, or Woodson who would match up but never force the other coach to adjust to his lineup ("The east is biiiigggg, mannn!!!) I remember a common question being asked a lot during Woodson's tenure....."Why is he so stubborn?"

All I know is it feels good watching him, feels like we have a Stevens/Kerr/Walton kind, a logical thinking coach. Here is a nice quote from Earl Watson/Phoenix coach about Jeff:

“Jeff is very creative and needs space to be creative,’’ Watson said before the Suns stunned Hornacek’s hot Knicks, 113-111, at Talking Stick Resort Arena. “He understands basketball on another level. His mind works like a fluid puzzle. You never come out with the same ATO [after timeout play]. He sees something, he’ll change it. Jeff is super creative.”
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Re: Grading Hornacek 

Post#159 » by E-Balla » Thu Dec 15, 2016 11:49 am

CJackson wrote:Don't let the smile fool you. Jeff is the toughest, most independent minded coach we've had this century. And he's also good at his job and he is still relatively inexperienced as a coach with plenty of upside to become a great coach.

Inexperienced? Eeeh. He's been around as long as Bud, Joerger, Stevens, etc. Not tenured yet but he's been coaching since 2010.
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Re: Grading Hornacek 

Post#160 » by ChaosHamster » Thu Dec 15, 2016 12:31 pm

DievsZingis wrote:Best coach we've had in a long, long time. There are very few cerebral coaches in the league, most are washed up retreads going from team to team, but Hornacek is a thinking man who makes reads and makes decisions, sometimes they backfire, sure (even Popovich pulled Duncan one time to blow a Finals win) but at least he doesn't stand around with his arms crossed chewing gum waiting for something to happen.

He does things in games that I do in 2K, it's unreal. First time we've had a coach that actually does something you're at home thinking, gets an A from me. Hope he stays, learns and grows with this organization.


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