2017 John Lynch hired as GM & Kyle Shanahan named HC

[Jikkle]

Still find it hilarious you guys ran out Jim Tomsula with a better record in a BETTER division with lesser talent than 2016's team. Aren't we still paying Jim Tom anyways? Can we get him back?

We ran him out because Tomsula sucked. Just because one turd doesn't smell as bad as another turd it's still a smelly turd.

[Ray_Dogg]

Still find it hilarious you guys ran out Jim Tomsula with a better record in a BETTER division with lesser talent than 2016's team. Aren't we still paying Jim Tom anyways? Can we get him back?

I don't want Tomsula back but you're exactly right, he outperformed Chip with basically the same roster and people are jumping up to make excuses.

Neither of these clowns is the answer. Just because they made the wrong choice in Chip doesn't mean getting rid of Tomsula wasn't the right move.

[I_am_1z]

Still find it hilarious you guys ran out Jim Tomsula with a better record in a BETTER division with lesser talent than 2016's team. Aren't we still paying Jim Tom anyways? Can we get him back?

I don't want Tomsula back but you're exactly right, he outperformed Chip with basically the same roster and people are jumping up to make excuses.

Neither of these clowns is the answer. Just because they made the wrong choice in Chip doesn't mean getting rid of Tomsula wasn't the right move.

There's been a drastic drop going from Tomsula to Kelly. What people don't recognize is that when we went from Harbaugh to Tomsula, they had two completely different rosters. Harbaugh had a super bowl contender and didn't manage to make the playoffs, then everyone retired and Tomsula took over. For a first year HC things were looking up, but now with Chip Kelly they're completely distraught.

[Ray_Dogg]

I don't want Tomsula back but you're exactly right, he outperformed Chip with basically the same roster and people are jumping up to make excuses.

Neither of these clowns is the answer. Just because they made the wrong choice in Chip doesn't mean getting rid of Tomsula wasn't the right move.

There's been a drastic drop going from Tomsula to Kelly. What people don't recognize is that when we went from Harbaugh to Tomsula, they had two completely different rosters. Harbaugh had a super bowl contender and didn't manage to make the playoffs, then everyone retired and Tomsula took over. For a first year HC things were looking up, but now with Chip Kelly they're completely distraught.

He was gifted two wins and essentially won three games. He was a flat out joke speaking to the public. He was so far in over his head I don't care what kind of roster he had. He should be nothing more than a DL coach. I can't believe you have a love affair for freaking Tomsula. Even Jed York knew he had to go and he's his biggest fan in the world besides his wife. You sound like some kind of Baalke truther. Throwing shade on Harbaugh and praising Tomsula.

Harbaugh didn't make the playoffs? We almost went to two Super Bowls so I don't know what is up with your revisionist history. He is to blame for the end when Kaep faceplanted and Baalke never provided any weapons on offense or another QB during Harbs entire regime? Only thing I will blame Harbaugh for is sticking with Roman, that dude had run his course and what he had left was no longer effective granted there is only so much you can do with a has been like Kaep at QB.

[Pattersonca65]

I don't want Tomsula back but you're exactly right, he outperformed Chip with basically the same roster and people are jumping up to make excuses.

Neither of these clowns is the answer. Just because they made the wrong choice in Chip doesn't mean getting rid of Tomsula wasn't the right move.

There's been a drastic drop going from Tomsula to Kelly. What people don't recognize is that when we went from Harbaugh to Tomsula, they had two completely different rosters. Harbaugh had a super bowl contender and didn't manage to make the playoffs, then everyone retired and Tomsula took over. For a first year HC things were looking up, but now with Chip Kelly they're completely distraught.

Not sure where this drastic drop is. Statistically, the offense has been better under Chip. Under Tomsula, the offense last year was ranked at or near the bottom in the league in almost every category. Under Tomsula, no one wanted to become a coordinator in SF. Tomsula had to settle for Geep Chryst and Mangini. Our current Wide Receiver coach turned down an offer to be our offensive coordinator last year. That is how bad things are. All you have to do is watch the offense this year and anyone can see it is better than last year but is still limited by not having a QB. The defense took a step back. And I can't totally blame Chip for that as Baalke nixed Chip's choice for DC and we got O'Neil instead

[Jikkle]

http://www.knbr.com/2016/12/13/dilfer-last-three-49ers-coaching-staffs-have-failed-miserably/

The York/Baalke defense force starting to come out strong.

I mean c'mon Trent at least try to look like you're being objective here.

Who's behind the hiring of these 3 separate coaching staffs that have been the problem? And you're going to try to sell the idea that the team is talented and 3 completely separate coaching staffs have screwed it up?

And what former 49ers players have gone to other teams recently and been amazing? If guys were talented but not properly developed they would be doing better on other teams.

That's not to excuse the coaching but clearly York and Baalke are the bigger issues at the moment.

[Pattersonca65]

Dilfer's claims are beyond ridiculous. I could write an essay responding to such nonsense but why bother. He is doing a great job of making himself look like an idiot

[Pattersonca65]

http://www.knbr.com/2016/12/13/dilfer-last-three-49ers-coaching-staffs-have-failed-miserably/

The York/Baalke defense force starting to come out strong.

I mean c'mon Trent at least try to look like you're being objective here.

Who's behind the hiring of these 3 separate coaching staffs that have been the problem? And you're going to try to sell the idea that the team is talented and 3 completely separate coaching staffs have screwed it up?

And what former 49ers players have gone to other teams recently and been amazing? If guys were talented but not properly developed they would be doing better on other teams.

That's not to excuse the coaching but clearly York and Baalke are the bigger issues at the moment.

Just take one position for example. Lemonier, Tank, Harold. Is it the coaches fault these guys are busts and can't even sniff the QB?

[Ray_Dogg]

Dilfer is just reedic, period. Total clown show.

[Pattersonca65]

http://www.ninersnation.com/2016/12/14/13956730/trent-baalke-rumors-49ers-broncos

[49er4life1979]

http://www.knbr.com/2016/12/13/dilfer-last-three-49ers-coaching-staffs-have-failed-miserably/

The York/Baalke defense force starting to come out strong.

I mean c'mon Trent at least try to look like you're being objective here.

Who's behind the hiring of these 3 separate coaching staffs that have been the problem? And you're going to try to sell the idea that the team is talented and 3 completely separate coaching staffs have screwed it up?

And what former 49ers players have gone to other teams recently and been amazing? If guys were talented but not properly developed they would be doing better on other teams.

That's not to excuse the coaching but clearly York and Baalke are the bigger issues at the moment.

Just take one position for example. Lemonier, Tank, Harold. Is it the coaches fault these guys are busts and can't even sniff the QB?

Yep. And what about AJ Jenkins, Patton, Ellington, Smelter? LOL. Jenkins, one of the biggest busts in team history and Smelter was an ACL special among a long list of ACL specials that busted. Patton is no more than a 4th, maybe 3rd WR on a depth chart, and same with Ellington (he has potential though IF he can stay healthy).

[Pattersonca65]

http://www.knbr.com/2016/12/13/dilfer-last-three-49ers-coaching-staffs-have-failed-miserably/

The York/Baalke defense force starting to come out strong.

I mean c'mon Trent at least try to look like you're being objective here.

Who's behind the hiring of these 3 separate coaching staffs that have been the problem? And you're going to try to sell the idea that the team is talented and 3 completely separate coaching staffs have screwed it up?

And what former 49ers players have gone to other teams recently and been amazing? If guys were talented but not properly developed they would be doing better on other teams.

That's not to excuse the coaching but clearly York and Baalke are the bigger issues at the moment.

Just take one position for example. Lemonier, Tank, Harold. Is it the coaches fault these guys are busts and can't even sniff the QB?

Yep. And what about AJ Jenkins, Patton, Ellington, Smelter? LOL. Jenkins, one of the biggest busts in team history and Smelter was an ACL special among a long list of ACL specials that busted. Patton is no more than a 4th, maybe 3rd WR on a depth chart, and same with Ellington (he has potential though IF he can stay healthy).

Yep, the WR situation is bad. The Cleveland Browns just waived Lemonier. He couldn't even make Cleveland's roster. You don't see many of Baalke's picks doing anything on any other team either. Tells you how good these players are. Dilfer is an idiot.

[I_am_1z]

Neither of these clowns is the answer. Just because they made the wrong choice in Chip doesn't mean getting rid of Tomsula wasn't the right move.

There's been a drastic drop going from Tomsula to Kelly. What people don't recognize is that when we went from Harbaugh to Tomsula, they had two completely different rosters. Harbaugh had a super bowl contender and didn't manage to make the playoffs, then everyone retired and Tomsula took over. For a first year HC things were looking up, but now with Chip Kelly they're completely distraught.

He was gifted two wins and essentially won three games. He was a flat out joke speaking to the public. He was so far in over his head I don't care what kind of roster he had. He should be nothing more than a DL coach. I can't believe you have a love affair for freaking Tomsula. Even Jed York knew he had to go and he's his biggest fan in the world besides his wife. You sound like some kind of Baalke truther. Throwing shade on Harbaugh and praising Tomsula.

Harbaugh didn't make the playoffs? We almost went to two Super Bowls so I don't know what is up with your revisionist history. He is to blame for the end when Kaep faceplanted and Baalke never provided any weapons on offense or another QB during Harbs entire regime? Only thing I will blame Harbaugh for is sticking with Roman, that dude had run his course and what he had left was no longer effective granted there is only so much you can do with a has been like Kaep at QB.

I don't recall the two gifted wins, but do remember the refs costing us a win against Arizona. You're not even being reasonable here. You say he was in over his head yet don't make an argument. Sounds like you're just upset he kept relaying the same ol 'got to win next week' line to the media—and perhaps farting at a presser, but why does this matter?

Also do you think I'm talking about the 3 years Harbaugh did make the playoffs? Or am I possibly talking about the one year he missed the playoffs and was fired despite having a Superbowl caliber roster? Baalke didn't give him any weapons, yet Crabtree is still around doing things for playoff team. Harbaugh had Gore/Hyde and an OL that specialized in mauling opponents. Greg Roman was the issue and according to some reports all Harbaugh had to do to stay was fire Roman, instead he allowed him to stay.

[Ray_Dogg]

Tomsula was a joke and so was his coaching staff. Chicago and the last Rams game were wins gifted to us.

You are trolling if you thought 2014 was a super bowl team.
No Bowman. Willis 6 games. Aldon Smith 6 games and two sacks. The D was already done by the end of the season. Crabtree was doing nothing special and Vernon had mailed it in.

[I_am_1z]

Tomsula was a joke and so was his coaching staff. Chicago and the last Rams game were wins gifted to us.

You are trolling if you thought 2014 was a super bowl team.
No Bowman. Willis 6 games. Aldon Smith 6 games and two sacks. The D was already done by the end of the season. Crabtree was doing nothing special and Vernon had mailed it in.

They were a Superbowl caliber team heading into the season. No Bowman but we did have Willis those first six games and went 4-2. After that Chris Borland wasn't too shabby a spell for Willis. The team players really seemed split on whether Harbaugh was a good coach or just plain crazy. If the offense ever evolved, that team would have made the playoffs. The wheels on the Harbaugh regime were falling off fast, so I never understood the give Harbaugh one last year crowd.

Tomsula did what we expected with a team that had been gutted severely. Any coach would have a difficult time getting back to 7-9 with the leftovers. A 5-11 record that SHOULD HAVE BEEN 6-10, wasn't anything to scoff at, but the worst fanbase whined their way into getting a new head coach with more experience and notoriety. Now we're on pace to give up the most rushing yards in franchise history, but we have posters on here claiming there's no drastic drop from Tomsula to Kelly.

[49er4life1979]

Neither of these clowns is the answer. Just because they made the wrong choice in Chip doesn't mean getting rid of Tomsula wasn't the right move.

There's been a drastic drop going from Tomsula to Kelly. What people don't recognize is that when we went from Harbaugh to Tomsula, they had two completely different rosters. Harbaugh had a super bowl contender and didn't manage to make the playoffs, then everyone retired and Tomsula took over. For a first year HC things were looking up, but now with Chip Kelly they're completely distraught.

Not sure where this drastic drop is. Statistically, the offense has been better under Chip. Under Tomsula, the offense last year was ranked at or near the bottom in the league in almost every category. Under Tomsula, no one wanted to become a coordinator in SF. Tomsula had to settle for Geep Chryst and Mangini. Our current Wide Receiver coach turned down an offer to be our offensive coordinator last year. That is how bad things are. All you have to do is watch the offense this year and anyone can see it is better than last year but is still limited by not having a QB. The defense took a step back. And I can't totally blame Chip for that as Baalke nixed Chip's choice for DC and we got O'Neil instead

Patterson I totally agree with you. The offense this year, given the fact we have no QB, no WRs, has been been good at least in spurts. I would love to see what Chip does with a good QB and an improved receiving core along with an already good RB and decent TE. I mean to write off Chip based on this year is ridiculous. Remember what Bill Belichick said, "It takes 3 years to build a program in this league, Chip Kelly will end up somewhere and do a great job." Now I know Belichick is Chip's friend, but he has a point. At least give it another year with Chip's players and a better defensive coordinator too.

[49er4life1979]

Tomsula was a joke and so was his coaching staff. Chicago and the last Rams game were wins gifted to us.

You are trolling if you thought 2014 was a super bowl team.
No Bowman. Willis 6 games. Aldon Smith 6 games and two sacks. The D was already done by the end of the season. Crabtree was doing nothing special and Vernon had mailed it in.

Yes that 2014 team was already in a steady decline. A talented team, but nowhere near as the previous 3 years. And Aldon actually missed the first 9 games that year. Like you said Bowman missed the whole season, Willis about half, Justin Smith in decline, and Kaepernick was also having a very mediocre season.

[I_am_1z]

There's been a drastic drop going from Tomsula to Kelly. What people don't recognize is that when we went from Harbaugh to Tomsula, they had two completely different rosters. Harbaugh had a super bowl contender and didn't manage to make the playoffs, then everyone retired and Tomsula took over. For a first year HC things were looking up, but now with Chip Kelly they're completely distraught.

Not sure where this drastic drop is. Statistically, the offense has been better under Chip. Under Tomsula, the offense last year was ranked at or near the bottom in the league in almost every category. Under Tomsula, no one wanted to become a coordinator in SF. Tomsula had to settle for Geep Chryst and Mangini. Our current Wide Receiver coach turned down an offer to be our offensive coordinator last year. That is how bad things are. All you have to do is watch the offense this year and anyone can see it is better than last year but is still limited by not having a QB. The defense took a step back. And I can't totally blame Chip for that as Baalke nixed Chip's choice for DC and we got O'Neil instead

Patterson I totally agree with you. The offense this year, given the fact we have no QB, no WRs, has been been good at least in spurts. I would love to see what Chip does with a good QB and an improved receiving core along with an already good RB and decent TE. I mean to write off Chip based on this year is ridiculous. Remember what Bill Belichick said, "It takes 3 years to build a program in this league, Chip Kelly will end up somewhere and do a great job." Now I know Belichick is Chip's friend, but he has a point. At least give it another year with Chip's players and a better defensive coordinator too.

I wonder if he gave the same praise to Bill O'Brien, Romeo Crennel, and Charlie Weis?

To write off Tomsula within a year was ridiculous. It's not like Chip Kelly attracted any sexy coordinator picks. I have no idea where you're going with this opinion of yours. Last year GEEP CHRYST had to work with no OL, no WRs, no RBs, and no QB. The fact that team managed a 5-11 (again, should have been 6-10) record with absolute trash of an offense was kind of noteworthy. Devey, Pears, Marcus Martin.

[thesack12]

Last season's coaching "hierarchy" was filled with undeserving guys completely in over their heads that were flat out unqualified. Each of Tomsula, Chryst, and Mangini were all at least 1 coaching level above what their competency level was. Tomsula might have made a decent defensive coordinator, but he was foolishly gifted the head coaching job. Chryst was at best a middling QB's coach, he definitely didn't deserve a promotion. He was given the job only because they couldn't get anybody else worth they're weight in salt. Outside of his NE days when he was riding Belichick's coattails, Mangini was VERY proven to be a poor performer in the higher levels of NFL coaching. Like Chryst, Mangini was gifted DC because the team couldn't get anybody else worth a damn so they were forced to stay in house and gave their TE's coach the DC position.

All three of Tomsula, Chryst, and Mangini are currently not employed in the NFL. There is a reason for that.

[49er4life1979]

Not sure where this drastic drop is. Statistically, the offense has been better under Chip. Under Tomsula, the offense last year was ranked at or near the bottom in the league in almost every category. Under Tomsula, no one wanted to become a coordinator in SF. Tomsula had to settle for Geep Chryst and Mangini. Our current Wide Receiver coach turned down an offer to be our offensive coordinator last year. That is how bad things are. All you have to do is watch the offense this year and anyone can see it is better than last year but is still limited by not having a QB. The defense took a step back. And I can't totally blame Chip for that as Baalke nixed Chip's choice for DC and we got O'Neil instead

Patterson I totally agree with you. The offense this year, given the fact we have no QB, no WRs, has been been good at least in spurts. I would love to see what Chip does with a good QB and an improved receiving core along with an already good RB and decent TE. I mean to write off Chip based on this year is ridiculous. Remember what Bill Belichick said, "It takes 3 years to build a program in this league, Chip Kelly will end up somewhere and do a great job." Now I know Belichick is Chip's friend, but he has a point. At least give it another year with Chip's players and a better defensive coordinator too.

I wonder if he gave the same praise to Bill O'Brien, Romeo Crennel, and Charlie Weis?

To write off Tomsula within a year was ridiculous. It's not like Chip Kelly attracted any sexy coordinator picks. I have no idea where you're going with this opinion of yours. Last year GEEP CHRYST had to work with no OL, no WRs, no RBs, and no QB. The fact that team managed a 5-11 (again, should have been 6-10) record with absolute trash of an offense was kind of noteworthy. Devey, Pears, Marcus Martin.

Where do you get that they should've been 6-10? The AZ ref screw job? Ok I will give you that one. But I will also take two victories away and say they should've actually been 4-12. They got very lucky in Chicago with the OT win, it should've never went to OT had the Bears not missed a game winning chip shot FG. And the other was the season finale against the Rams...Yes the offense stunk last year, but so does the defense this year. Not saying last year's D was great, but this year's is just horrible. Last year's D had Ian Williams playing very well at NT, Bowman had a Pro Bowl season, and our best pass rusher Aaron Lynch had a solid season with 6.5 sacks I believe....I say give Chip another season with HIS players. He has not been shy about this team not being his team and basically throwing Baalke under the bus as he should.