Where is Jahlil Okafor?

[ET Da Gawd]

Do you mean the way Embiid is treated and how dominant he is? There's a stark difference between Embiid and Okafor. If we had porzingis he would have played well for us last year. Embiid and porzingis would be the best frontcourt duo ever. They would be blocking shots all day and then Simmons would be the orchestrator. Porzingis would have been loved in Philly. Embiid is loved. We love great players.

if kristaps played for us last year...yea he would not be successful getting doubled every possession...just because NYK is beating up bums and getting hype does not mean zinger has evolved into an allstar overnight...ppl on this board do not look at the nuances

Yeah. Porzingis is beating up bums. Porzingis is a beast. Ok let me just come out and ask you two questions.
1. Who do you think is better between Okafor and porzingis?

2. Who would you rather have on this team between Okafor and porzingis?

Okafor & Okafor....I was telling ppl last year...eventually when JahxJoel start playing...Joel will be the spacer/stretch big...even in practice yesterday he was playing 4 while nerlens/jah played 5...Joel will never be a strictly downlow player...thats why Jah is the balance...also...no way we win a chip with joel having to do everything..he will get hurt at the current rate btw usage & all his spills and falls

[Sixerscan]

Remember last week when people were acting like I was a crazy person for saying people on here regularly compare okafor and porzingis?

[Unbreakable99]

if kristaps played for us last year...yea he would not be successful getting doubled every possession...just because NYK is beating up bums and getting hype does not mean zinger has evolved into an allstar overnight...ppl on this board do not look at the nuances

Yeah. Porzingis is beating up bums. Porzingis is a beast. Ok let me just come out and ask you two questions.
1. Who do you think is better between Okafor and porzingis?

2. Who would you rather have on this team between Okafor and porzingis?

Okafor & Okafor....I was telling ppl last year...eventually when JahxJoel start playing...Joel will be the spacer/stretch big...even in practice yesterday he was playing 4 while nerlens/jah played 5...Joel will never be a strictly downlow player...thats why Jah is the balance...also...no way we win a chip with joel having to do everything..he will get hurt at the current rate btw usage & all his spills and falls

Omg. I can't take you serious. If you think Okafor is better than porzingis let alone on the same level then that's crazy talk. You are on an island. It's not even close between the two. Just stop man. Porzingis is going to be an all star this year. Okafor may never be on an all star team the rate he's going. Come on man. How can you seriously say with a straight face Okafor is the better player and better fit for us? Smh.

[ET Da Gawd]

Knicks have a balanced roster & Carmelo & Rose..if u cant see that as a stark difference to the bevy of bums on this roster there is 0 for us to discuss...agree to disagree...I think zinger benefits from a better roster, you think its make no difference...do ya thing bruh

[TeamHigh]

Knicks have a balanced roster & Carmelo & Rose..if u cant see that as a stark difference to the bevy of bums on this roster there is 0 for us to discuss...agree to disagree...I think zinger benefits from a better roster, you think its make no difference...do ya thing bruh

So then why is Embiid clearly better than Okafor? Does he not play with the same bums?

Hell, why does Noel have no problem posting positive advanced statistics with the same bunch of bums but not Okafor?

[Unbreakable99]

Knicks have a balanced roster & Carmelo & Rose..if u cant see that as a stark difference to the bevy of bums on this roster there is 0 for us to discuss...agree to disagree...I think zinger benefits from a better roster, you think its make no difference...do ya thing bruh

This narrative is false. If Okafor plays with bums then why can Embiid play with the same roster and look light years better. Explain this graph then.

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[Ericb5]

Knicks have a balanced roster & Carmelo & Rose..if u cant see that as a stark difference to the bevy of bums on this roster there is 0 for us to discuss...agree to disagree...I think zinger benefits from a better roster, you think its make no difference...do ya thing bruh

This narrative is false. If Okafor plays with bums then why can Embiid play with the same roster and look light years better. Explain this graph then.

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I don't agree that Okafor is as good as Porzingis, but Embiid is a superstar freak of nature so saying that he can do something that Okafor can't is not a meaningful statement. The question is whether Porzingis could do it, and not Embiid.

[Unbreakable99]

Knicks have a balanced roster & Carmelo & Rose..if u cant see that as a stark difference to the bevy of bums on this roster there is 0 for us to discuss...agree to disagree...I think zinger benefits from a better roster, you think its make no difference...do ya thing bruh

This narrative is false. If Okafor plays with bums then why can Embiid play with the same roster and look light years better. Explain this graph then.

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I don't agree that Okafor is as good as Porzingis, but Embiid is a superstar freak of nature so saying that he can do something that Okafor can't is not a meaningful statement. The question is whether Porzingis could do it, and not Embiid.

Porzingis would look light years better than Okafor on this same roster too. Okafor and Porzingis are on different levels. One is going to be a top 10 players soon. The other will be a bench player.

[spikeslovechild]

Let me just say this on Porzingis their rookie years were not that far apart. However, this year Okafor has taken a step back and Porzinigis a big leap forward.

They aren't even in the same discussion right now. We need to stop worrying about Porzingis and worry more about Okafor.

[LloydFree]

Knicks have a balanced roster & Carmelo & Rose..if u cant see that as a stark difference to the bevy of bums on this roster there is 0 for us to discuss...agree to disagree...I think zinger benefits from a better roster, you think its make no difference...do ya thing bruh

So then why is Embiid clearly better than Okafor? Does he not play with the same bums?

Hell, why does Noel have no problem posting positive advanced statistics with the same bunch of bums but not Okafor?

Because they are better basketball players. It's pretty simple.

[spikeslovechild]

Knicks have a balanced roster & Carmelo & Rose..if u cant see that as a stark difference to the bevy of bums on this roster there is 0 for us to discuss...agree to disagree...I think zinger benefits from a better roster, you think its make no difference...do ya thing bruh

So then why is Embiid clearly better than Okafor? Does he not play with the same bums?

Hell, why does Noel have no problem posting positive advanced statistics with the same bunch of bums but not Okafor?

Embiid is clearly better. Noel "positive" advanced statistics are not all that impressive really.

[Negrodamus]

Knicks have a balanced roster & Carmelo & Rose..if u cant see that as a stark difference to the bevy of bums on this roster there is 0 for us to discuss...agree to disagree...I think zinger benefits from a better roster, you think its make no difference...do ya thing bruh

So then why is Embiid clearly better than Okafor? Does he not play with the same bums?

Hell, why does Noel have no problem posting positive advanced statistics with the same bunch of bums but not Okafor?

Embiid is clearly better. Noel "positive" advanced statistics are not all that impressive really.

Totally.

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[Ericb5]

This narrative is false. If Okafor plays with bums then why can Embiid play with the same roster and look light years better. Explain this graph then.

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I don't agree that Okafor is as good as Porzingis, but Embiid is a superstar freak of nature so saying that he can do something that Okafor can't is not a meaningful statement. The question is whether Porzingis could do it, and not Embiid.

Porzingis would look light years better than Okafor on this same roster too. Okafor and Porzingis are on different levels. One is going to be a top 10 players soon. The other will be a bench player.

I don't see Porzingis being a top 10 player, but the point is that Embiid IS, and that is a different level than both of them. Someone tried to use Embiid's success with the same teammates as Okafor as evidence that Okafor should be able to have the same success.

Embiid is so great that he can make it work with anyone, and neither Porzingis nor Okafor will be able to do that, even if Porzingis is better than Okafor.




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[Ericb5]

Let me just say this on Porzingis their rookie years were not that far apart. However, this year Okafor has taken a step back and Porzinigis a big leap forward.

They aren't even in the same discussion right now. We need to stop worrying about Porzingis and worry more about Okafor.

Agreed.

Porzingis has left him in the dust, but that doesn't make Porzingis a franchise player.

Embiid is a franchise player.


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[phifans]

Let me just say this on Porzingis their rookie years were not that far apart. However, this year Okafor has taken a step back and Porzinigis a big leap forward.

They aren't even in the same discussion right now. We need to stop worrying about Porzingis and worry more about Okafor.

Not gonna making excuses for Okafor but they are clearly under different environment. I doubt if Porz would be that impressive either if coming off the bench behind Embiid after missing half year because of injury.

[Unbreakable99]

I don't agree that Okafor is as good as Porzingis, but Embiid is a superstar freak of nature so saying that he can do something that Okafor can't is not a meaningful statement. The question is whether Porzingis could do it, and not Embiid.

Porzingis would look light years better than Okafor on this same roster too. Okafor and Porzingis are on different levels. One is going to be a top 10 players soon. The other will be a bench player.

I don't see Porzingis being a top 10 player, but the point is that Embiid IS, and that is a different level than both of them. Someone tried to use Embiid's success with the same teammates as Okafor as evidence that Okafor should be able to have the same success.

Embiid is so great that he can make it work with anyone, and neither Porzingis nor Okafor will be able to do that, even if Porzingis is better than Okafor.




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Porzingis is a franchise player. He's so easy to play with too. He doesn't require much usage. He's definitely a guy who can be the leading scorer and best player on a championship caliber team. And Porzingis would make our team better with the same players. Maybe not as good as Embiid but close.

[Ericb5]

Porzingis would look light years better than Okafor on this same roster too. Okafor and Porzingis are on different levels. One is going to be a top 10 players soon. The other will be a bench player.

I don't see Porzingis being a top 10 player, but the point is that Embiid IS, and that is a different level than both of them. Someone tried to use Embiid's success with the same teammates as Okafor as evidence that Okafor should be able to have the same success.

Embiid is so great that he can make it work with anyone, and neither Porzingis nor Okafor will be able to do that, even if Porzingis is better than Okafor.




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Porzingis is a franchise player. He's so easy to play with too. He doesn't require much usage. He's definitely a guy who can be the leading scorer and best player on a championship caliber team. And Porzingis would make our team better with the same players. Maybe not as good as Embiid but close.

Well I just disagree.

He has improved a lot this year, and if he continues to improve who knows where he ends up, but putting him in the same class with Embiid is insulting to Embiid. Calling Porzingis a franchise player is like calling Myles Turner one. You are assuming that he climbs several more rungs up the ladder just because he has shown ability at a young age.

Let's just see if he can get better than Melo(who never was a franchise player) first, before we anoint him one.



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[TTP]

Let me just say this on Porzingis their rookie years were not that far apart. However, this year Okafor has taken a step back and Porzinigis a big leap forward.

They aren't even in the same discussion right now. We need to stop worrying about Porzingis and worry more about Okafor.

They were extremely far apart their rookie years.

[spikeslovechild]

So then why is Embiid clearly better than Okafor? Does he not play with the same bums?

Hell, why does Noel have no problem posting positive advanced statistics with the same bunch of bums but not Okafor?

Embiid is clearly better. Noel "positive" advanced statistics are not all that impressive really.

Totally.

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How many centers do you think averaged the kind of PPG Okafor did his rookie year? Anyone can cherry pick certain stats that fits a certain narrative.

[TTP]

I don't agree that Okafor is as good as Porzingis, but Embiid is a superstar freak of nature so saying that he can do something that Okafor can't is not a meaningful statement. The question is whether Porzingis could do it, and not Embiid.

Porzingis would look light years better than Okafor on this same roster too. Okafor and Porzingis are on different levels. One is going to be a top 10 players soon. The other will be a bench player.

I don't see Porzingis being a top 10 player, but the point is that Embiid IS, and that is a different level than both of them. Someone tried to use Embiid's success with the same teammates as Okafor as evidence that Okafor should be able to have the same success.

Embiid is so great that he can make it work with anyone, and neither Porzingis nor Okafor will be able to do that, even if Porzingis is better than Okafor.




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I'd be surprised if Porzingis weren't a top 10 player at some point in his career, potentially within a few years. I would not be surprised if he peaked around top 5.