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Post#1682 » by Scutt » Thu Dec 15, 2016 6:12 am

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sunskerr wrote:Are there any legs to this Noel rumor? I don't see how it fixes any problems. In fact I think it puts us in a worse position because he's another restricted free agent. We already have Len who seems to have improved.


Are you watching the games? Len has been horrible this season. I'm not exaggerating. If you want proof then see below.

grumpysaddle wrote:This is just... This guy needs to go. Alex Len having that bad of a +/- is concerning, but i think he spends most of his time on the floor with Knight, unfortunately. Plus Len was awful to start the season, but he's been turning it around lately. But yeah, Knight by far the worst total +/-, the worst per game, and the worst per 36. There is no way the team isn't trying to tank "subtly". What can the Suns even squeeze out of another team, though?

Player Team +/- +/- Per Game +/- Per 36 Min
443 Brandon Knight PHX -214 -8.6 -12.7
442 Timofey Mozgov LAL -172 -6.6 -11.3
441 Emmanuel Mudiay DEN -162 -6.8 -8.1
439 Evan Turner POR -153 -5.7 -8.1
440 Luol Deng LAL -153 -5.7 -8.1
438 Justin Anderson DAL -143 -6.2 -11.4
437 Alex Len PHO -135 -5.6 -8.7
436 Trevor Booker BKN -128 -5.8 -7.4
435 Buddy Hield NO -127 -4.9 -9.9
434 Dario Saric PHI -124 -5.2 -7.6


EDIT: I spent a **** of time making that look pretty while avoiding doing work, and the spacing doesn't even show up after submitting. RAGE.


That is really bad. No surprise though. Len is pure garbage and down in the lower half with Knight. If you are anywhere near Knight this season then you are a terrible player that does not deserve a contract.

Mark my words. If we give Len a big contract he will be worse than Robin Lopez. He will not have any motivation and he will regress.


Robin Lopez was drafted with the 15th pick, 8 years ago. This year he is averaging like 10, 8, and 2 and is a solid starting center who provides good defense. He is also not being a liability at the end of games because he can hit free throws at a decent clip. Go look at how many #15 picks turn into starters and hang around for 8 years, not too many. You know it is ok to draft and hold onto role players right? Just because our draft picks are not stars doesn't mean we have to cast them off as absolute garbage. I can understand that some people here do not want to sign Len to a big contract this summer. That is fine, but please stop with this " he is so terrible that he doesn't deserve a new contract" stuff, you are just being ignorant or trolling. Alex Len is averaging nearly 9,8, and 2 as a 23 year old backup. There are plenty of teams who would be happy to have that production from their backup center.

Robin Lopez was an excellent draft choice. He played very well for us his 2nd year, and earned a starting spot and was being talked as our center of the future. In his 3rd year, he was the only big on our roster and was recovering from off season back surgery, so he struggled a bit. The Suns decided to give up on him and went and traded for Gortat, forcing Lopez to the bench. Funny how history seems to repeat itself. Suns drafted Len and he earned a starting spot in his 2nd year, showing plenty of flashes of potential. Yet they felt the need to sign a vet in Chandler and send Len back to the bench. The Suns clearly have some real issues when it comes to patience and developing their 7 footers. Poor Bender will probably never get a chance :cry:
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas and Discussion 

Post#1683 » by TeamTragic » Thu Dec 15, 2016 6:19 am

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sunskerr wrote:Are there any legs to this Noel rumor? I don't see how it fixes any problems. In fact I think it puts us in a worse position because he's another restricted free agent. We already have Len who seems to have improved.


Are you watching the games? Len has been horrible this season. I'm not exaggerating. If you want proof then see below.

grumpysaddle wrote:This is just... This guy needs to go. Alex Len having that bad of a +/- is concerning, but i think he spends most of his time on the floor with Knight, unfortunately. Plus Len was awful to start the season, but he's been turning it around lately. But yeah, Knight by far the worst total +/-, the worst per game, and the worst per 36. There is no way the team isn't trying to tank "subtly". What can the Suns even squeeze out of another team, though?

Player Team +/- +/- Per Game +/- Per 36 Min
443 Brandon Knight PHX -214 -8.6 -12.7
442 Timofey Mozgov LAL -172 -6.6 -11.3
441 Emmanuel Mudiay DEN -162 -6.8 -8.1
439 Evan Turner POR -153 -5.7 -8.1
440 Luol Deng LAL -153 -5.7 -8.1
438 Justin Anderson DAL -143 -6.2 -11.4
437 Alex Len PHO -135 -5.6 -8.7
436 Trevor Booker BKN -128 -5.8 -7.4
435 Buddy Hield NO -127 -4.9 -9.9
434 Dario Saric PHI -124 -5.2 -7.6


EDIT: I spent a **** of time making that look pretty while avoiding doing work, and the spacing doesn't even show up after submitting. RAGE.


That is really bad. No surprise though. Len is pure garbage and down in the lower half with Knight. If you are anywhere near Knight this season then you are a terrible player that does not deserve a contract.

Mark my words. If we give Len a big contract he will be worse than Robin Lopez. He will not have any motivation and he will regress.


Robin Lopez was drafted with the 15th pick, 8 years ago. This year he is averaging like 10, 8, and 2 and is a solid starting center who provides good defense. He is also not being a liability at the end of games because he can hit free throws at a decent clip. Go look at how many #15 picks turn into starters and hang around for 8 years, not too many.

Robin Lopez was an excellent draft choice. He played very well for us his 2nd year, and earned a starting spot and was being talked as our center of the future. In his 3rd year, he was the only big on our roster and was recovering from off season back surgery, so he struggled a bit. The Suns decided to give up on him and went and traded for Gortat, forcing Lopez to the bench. Funny how history seems to repeat itself. Suns drafted Len and he earned a starting spot in his 2nd year, showing plenty of flashes of potential. Yet they felt the need to sign a vet in Chandler and send Len back to the bench. The Suns clearly have some real issues when it comes to having the patience to develop their 7 footers. Poor Bender will probably never get a chance :cry:


I don't disagree with your post. Gortat was great when we traded for him. Then he regressed pretty badly. We just haven't made the best decisions for the center position outside Chandler. Maybe Noel can end this nightmare?
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Post#1684 » by Scutt » Thu Dec 15, 2016 6:37 am

^ The grass is always greener for you it seems. Both Len and Noel are due for new contracts this summer. Alex Len is actually playing this season and putting up similar stats to Noel in less minutes, but he does not deserve a contract? Noel is not even playing, has injury and attitude concerns, yet you think he can solve our issues? Your logic escapes me. At least Len is healthy and big enough to player the center position.
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Post#1685 » by Kerrsed » Thu Dec 15, 2016 6:53 am

sunskerr wrote:Are there any legs to this Noel rumor? I don't see how it fixes any problems. In fact I think it puts us in a worse position because he's another restricted free agent. We already have Len who seems to have improved.


Noel is Tyson Chandler version 2.0 (But with better offense). As most Suns fans have stated, if we had Chandler 7 years ago, we would have been set. Hell, look at what Chandler is still able to do for us, if we could have that replicated and for the next 5-10 years, i would be ecstatic. And to be able to have our medical team working on Noel, all while getting tutelage from Chandler and i dont see how it wouldnt be a win in our favor.

Sure he is a restricted FA, but you know what, we have the money to spend, specially if we are able to trade Knight for him. I would rather be giving Noel the $14M+ that Knight is getting, just to know that we have a real defender/rebounder on the squad. Anything more that he can do for us in a game is just a bonus to me.

C's need to be strong in 2 spots to be effective in the league, and thats defending and rebounding, both things Noel excels at.

As for the "Rumors", i dont think there really is any, just a bunch of smart fans from both teams realizing that this would be a perfect trade for both parties. We need what Noel can bring to our team, which is what they currently have in abundance, and they could really use an upgrade at their starting PG spot, and more specifically a shoot 1st PG, as Simmons will be playing point-forward when he returns. They have the capspace to take on Knight, and with Knight gone, we will have more than enough capspace to re-ink Noel.
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas and Discussion 

Post#1686 » by thamadkant » Thu Dec 15, 2016 7:39 am

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The Iso and ball watch system... accidentally too... since Watson doesnt even plan it.


Notice last game with under a minute left... Watson didnt have a play board with him during the time out, he was instead preaching in the huddle.

I watch 10 games a week and almost all games I've seen during critical timeouts has the coach drawing up plays...
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas and Discussion 

Post#1687 » by DaleyBlind » Thu Dec 15, 2016 12:46 pm

Would you guys do this

Suns get - K.J McDaniels, Tyler Ennis, 18 1st
Rockets get - PJ Tucker
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Post#1688 » by WeekapaugGroove » Thu Dec 15, 2016 1:33 pm

DaleyBlind wrote:Would you guys do this

Suns get - K.J McDaniels, Tyler Ennis, 18 1st
Rockets get - PJ Tucker

Not only would i do this but I would personally drive tucker to the airport.

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Post#1689 » by ImNotMcDiSwear » Thu Dec 15, 2016 4:04 pm

Quick question - given that Chandler and Len have basically been playing at about the same level as starters this season... should we deal Alex? Plenty of team out there need or could use a young rim protector, as they don't grow on trees: Boston, Charlotte, Cleveland, Dallas, Golden State (who couldn't re-sign him, so not really an option), Indiana, Milwaukee, Minnesota, New Orleans, Portland, San Antonio(?). That's a lot of potential suitors.

Part of my thinking is - with Tyson under a reasonable contract for two more seasons, playing as good as Alex will play, yet for some reason not easy to deal, and given the fact that McD has said in repeated radio interviews that they expect Dragan to eventually play 4/5... maybe Alex is the odd man out.

Not exactly sure what we'd want in return. Perhaps a cheaper backup 5 and a pick and/or a prospect? Perhaps as part of a deal to get a young rotation player in return?
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Post#1690 » by Zelaznyrules » Thu Dec 15, 2016 4:43 pm

cosmofizzo wrote:Quick question - given that Chandler and Len have basically been playing at about the same level as starters this season... should we deal Alex? Plenty of team out there need or could use a young rim protector, as they don't grow on trees: Boston, Charlotte, Cleveland, Dallas, Golden State (who couldn't re-sign him, so not really an option), Indiana, Milwaukee, Minnesota, New Orleans, Portland, San Antonio(?). That's a lot of potential suitors.

Part of my thinking is - with Tyson under a reasonable contract for two more seasons, playing as good as Alex will play, yet for some reason not easy to deal, and given the fact that McD has said in repeated radio interviews that they expect Dragan to eventually play 4/5... maybe Alex is the odd man out.

Not exactly sure what we'd want in return. Perhaps a cheaper backup 5 and a pick and/or a prospect? Perhaps as part of a deal to get a young rotation player in return?


Where did you get the idea that Tyson hasn't been easy to deal? I wasn't aware that we'd made any effort to trade him.
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Post#1691 » by bwgood77 » Thu Dec 15, 2016 4:51 pm

cosmofizzo wrote:Quick question - given that Chandler and Len have basically been playing at about the same level as starters this season... should we deal Alex? Plenty of team out there need or could use a young rim protector, as they don't grow on trees: Boston, Charlotte, Cleveland, Dallas, Golden State (who couldn't re-sign him, so not really an option), Indiana, Milwaukee, Minnesota, New Orleans, Portland, San Antonio(?). That's a lot of potential suitors.

Part of my thinking is - with Tyson under a reasonable contract for two more seasons, playing as good as Alex will play, yet for some reason not easy to deal, and given the fact that McD has said in repeated radio interviews that they expect Dragan to eventually play 4/5... maybe Alex is the odd man out.

Not exactly sure what we'd want in return. Perhaps a cheaper backup 5 and a pick and/or a prospect? Perhaps as part of a deal to get a young rotation player in return?


I think the board overall is fairly split on Len. I say no because we need a young rim protector too. Most of those teams are either well over (or around) the cap and wouldn't want to pay him (Cleveland, Portland, SA, Dallas) or do have young rim protectors (Minnesota - Dieng, Towns, Indiana - Myles Turner, Milwaukee - Henson, New Orleans, Ajinca, Davis). Dallas might clear cap space but they don't have anything to trade that we'd want or that they would trade, and Portland might not care about the tax, but all they have are guards and likely want to keep their picks given that they have so many high salaries.

I also think Noel might be more desirable for some team IF they want a rim protector. Boston might want one but I don't think they are looking to deplete their assets for a player like Len and are holding out for a big splash.
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Post#1692 » by Flying Colors » Thu Dec 15, 2016 6:02 pm

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sunskerr wrote:Are there any legs to this Noel rumor? I don't see how it fixes any problems. In fact I think it puts us in a worse position because he's another restricted free agent. We already have Len who seems to have improved.


Are you watching the games? Len has been horrible this season. I'm not exaggerating. If you want proof then see below.

grumpysaddle wrote:This is just... This guy needs to go. Alex Len having that bad of a +/- is concerning, but i think he spends most of his time on the floor with Knight, unfortunately. Plus Len was awful to start the season, but he's been turning it around lately. But yeah, Knight by far the worst total +/-, the worst per game, and the worst per 36. There is no way the team isn't trying to tank "subtly". What can the Suns even squeeze out of another team, though?

Player Team +/- +/- Per Game +/- Per 36 Min
443 Brandon Knight PHX -214 -8.6 -12.7
442 Timofey Mozgov LAL -172 -6.6 -11.3
441 Emmanuel Mudiay DEN -162 -6.8 -8.1
439 Evan Turner POR -153 -5.7 -8.1
440 Luol Deng LAL -153 -5.7 -8.1
438 Justin Anderson DAL -143 -6.2 -11.4
437 Alex Len PHO -135 -5.6 -8.7
436 Trevor Booker BKN -128 -5.8 -7.4
435 Buddy Hield NO -127 -4.9 -9.9
434 Dario Saric PHI -124 -5.2 -7.6


EDIT: I spent a **** of time making that look pretty while avoiding doing work, and the spacing doesn't even show up after submitting. RAGE.


That is really bad. No surprise though. Len is pure garbage and down in the lower half with Knight. If you are anywhere near Knight this season then you are a terrible player that does not deserve a contract.

Mark my words. If we give Len a big contract he will be worse than Robin Lopez. He will not have any motivation and he will regress.


Robin Lopez was drafted with the 15th pick, 8 years ago. This year he is averaging like 10, 8, and 2 and is a solid starting center who provides good defense. He is also not being a liability at the end of games because he can hit free throws at a decent clip. Go look at how many #15 picks turn into starters and hang around for 8 years, not too many. You know it is ok to draft and hold onto role players right? Just because our draft picks are not stars doesn't mean we have to cast them off as absolute garbage. I can understand that some people here do not want to sign Len to a big contract this summer. That is fine, but please stop with this " he is so terrible that he doesn't deserve a new contract" stuff, you are just being ignorant or trolling. Alex Len is averaging nearly 9,8, and 2 as a 23 year old backup. There are plenty of teams who would be happy to have that production from their backup center.

Robin Lopez was an excellent draft choice. He played very well for us his 2nd year, and earned a starting spot and was being talked as our center of the future. In his 3rd year, he was the only big on our roster and was recovering from off season back surgery, so he struggled a bit. The Suns decided to give up on him and went and traded for Gortat, forcing Lopez to the bench. Funny how history seems to repeat itself. Suns drafted Len and he earned a starting spot in his 2nd year, showing plenty of flashes of potential. Yet they felt the need to sign a vet in Chandler and send Len back to the bench. The Suns clearly have some real issues when it comes to patience and developing their 7 footers. Poor Bender will probably never get a chance :cry:

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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas and Discussion 

Post#1693 » by ImNotMcDiSwear » Thu Dec 15, 2016 6:49 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
cosmofizzo wrote:Quick question - given that Chandler and Len have basically been playing at about the same level as starters this season... should we deal Alex? Plenty of team out there need or could use a young rim protector, as they don't grow on trees: Boston, Charlotte, Cleveland, Dallas, Golden State (who couldn't re-sign him, so not really an option), Indiana, Milwaukee, Minnesota, New Orleans, Portland, San Antonio(?). That's a lot of potential suitors.

Part of my thinking is - with Tyson under a reasonable contract for two more seasons, playing as good as Alex will play, yet for some reason not easy to deal, and given the fact that McD has said in repeated radio interviews that they expect Dragan to eventually play 4/5... maybe Alex is the odd man out.

Not exactly sure what we'd want in return. Perhaps a cheaper backup 5 and a pick and/or a prospect? Perhaps as part of a deal to get a young rotation player in return?


I think the board overall is fairly split on Len. I say no because we need a young rim protector too. Most of those teams are either well over (or around) the cap and wouldn't want to pay him (Cleveland, Portland, SA, Dallas) or do have young rim protectors (Minnesota - Dieng, Towns, Indiana - Myles Turner, Milwaukee - Henson, New Orleans, Ajinca, Davis). Dallas might clear cap space but they don't have anything to trade that we'd want or that they would trade, and Portland might not care about the tax, but all they have are guards and likely want to keep their picks given that they have so many high salaries.

I also think Noel might be more desirable for some team IF they want a rim protector. Boston might want one but I don't think they are looking to deplete their assets for a player like Len and are holding out for a big splash.


I agree regarding Cleveland, but that's about where our agreement ends. I think Portland would love to have Alex rather than Leonard and Plumlee, and I think they would gladly deal one or both in order to acquire (and pay) Alex. San Antonio has to pay Jonathan Simmons, but otherwise, they may be interested in looking to move on from Gasol/Aldridge with a young rim protector. Dallas... well they're probably not interested simply because they're in the tank and otherwise have nothing to offer, so we're not far off in our analysis there.

Minnesota wants to add another big next to Towns, and my guess is they want a pure 5 - Alex is that. But it would be expensive keeping both him and Dieng, so they're probably not a great fit. IMO, Myles Turner is not really a pure 5, and they should want to put another true 5 -preferably, a young one - in their rotation. Also IMO, Alex is much better than Henson - every time they match up, Alex turns into Rudy Gobert - so I imagine they'd like an upgrade. Henson is a bench 5, IMO. Finally, Ajinca and Asik have both been terrible for New Orleans, so I imagine they'd love to replace them with Alex.

That is all to say, I think we have options. Alex will probably come cheaper than Noel, is evidently more of a professional than Noel, and doesn't have nearly the injury history Noel has. Plus, he's a true 5 and he puts up true 5 numbers.

The point is, I don't think we should keep them both, and there's reason to think that either one could be moved. In my mind, it depends largely on what other teams are willing to give up.
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Post#1694 » by bwgood77 » Thu Dec 15, 2016 7:10 pm

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Robin Lopez was drafted with the 15th pick, 8 years ago. This year he is averaging like 10, 8, and 2 and is a solid starting center who provides good defense. He is also not being a liability at the end of games because he can hit free throws at a decent clip. Go look at how many #15 picks turn into starters and hang around for 8 years, not too many. You know it is ok to draft and hold onto role players right? Just because our draft picks are not stars doesn't mean we have to cast them off as absolute garbage. I can understand that some people here do not want to sign Len to a big contract this summer. That is fine, but please stop with this " he is so terrible that he doesn't deserve a new contract" stuff, you are just being ignorant or trolling. Alex Len is averaging nearly 9,8, and 2 as a 23 year old backup. There are plenty of teams who would be happy to have that production from their backup center.

Robin Lopez was an excellent draft choice. He played very well for us his 2nd year, and earned a starting spot and was being talked as our center of the future. In his 3rd year, he was the only big on our roster and was recovering from off season back surgery, so he struggled a bit. The Suns decided to give up on him and went and traded for Gortat, forcing Lopez to the bench. Funny how history seems to repeat itself. Suns drafted Len and he earned a starting spot in his 2nd year, showing plenty of flashes of potential. Yet they felt the need to sign a vet in Chandler and send Len back to the bench. The Suns clearly have some real issues when it comes to patience and developing their 7 footers. Poor Bender will probably never get a chance :cry:

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Post#1695 » by bwgood77 » Thu Dec 15, 2016 7:18 pm

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cosmofizzo wrote:Quick question - given that Chandler and Len have basically been playing at about the same level as starters this season... should we deal Alex? Plenty of team out there need or could use a young rim protector, as they don't grow on trees: Boston, Charlotte, Cleveland, Dallas, Golden State (who couldn't re-sign him, so not really an option), Indiana, Milwaukee, Minnesota, New Orleans, Portland, San Antonio(?). That's a lot of potential suitors.

Part of my thinking is - with Tyson under a reasonable contract for two more seasons, playing as good as Alex will play, yet for some reason not easy to deal, and given the fact that McD has said in repeated radio interviews that they expect Dragan to eventually play 4/5... maybe Alex is the odd man out.

Not exactly sure what we'd want in return. Perhaps a cheaper backup 5 and a pick and/or a prospect? Perhaps as part of a deal to get a young rotation player in return?


I think the board overall is fairly split on Len. I say no because we need a young rim protector too. Most of those teams are either well over (or around) the cap and wouldn't want to pay him (Cleveland, Portland, SA, Dallas) or do have young rim protectors (Minnesota - Dieng, Towns, Indiana - Myles Turner, Milwaukee - Henson, New Orleans, Ajinca, Davis). Dallas might clear cap space but they don't have anything to trade that we'd want or that they would trade, and Portland might not care about the tax, but all they have are guards and likely want to keep their picks given that they have so many high salaries.

I also think Noel might be more desirable for some team IF they want a rim protector. Boston might want one but I don't think they are looking to deplete their assets for a player like Len and are holding out for a big splash.


I agree regarding Cleveland, but that's about where our agreement ends. I think Portland would love to have Alex rather than Leonard and Plumlee, and I think they would gladly deal one or both in order to acquire (and pay) Alex. San Antonio has to pay Jonathan Simmons, but otherwise, they may be interested in looking to move on from Gasol/Aldridge with a young rim protector. Dallas... well they're probably not interested simply because they're in the tank and otherwise have nothing to offer, so we're not far off in our analysis there.

Minnesota wants to add another big next to Towns, and my guess is they want a pure 5 - Alex is that. But it would be expensive keeping both him and Dieng, so they're probably not a great fit. IMO, Myles Turner is not really a pure 5, and they should want to put another true 5 -preferably, a young one - in their rotation. Also IMO, Alex is much better than Henson - every time they match up, Alex turns into Rudy Gobert - so I imagine they'd like an upgrade. Henson is a bench 5, IMO. Finally, Ajinca and Asik have both been terrible for New Orleans, so I imagine they'd love to replace them with Alex.

That is all to say, I think we have options. Alex will probably come cheaper than Noel, is evidently more of a professional than Noel, and doesn't have nearly the injury history Noel has. Plus, he's a true 5 and he puts up true 5 numbers.

The point is, I don't think we should keep them both, and there's reason to think that either one could be moved. In my mind, it depends largely on what other teams are willing to give up.


If you think all these teams would love to have Len, why don't you want him? Why Chandler for the long term? You want to draft another raw center? They usually take a while to develop (though some recently have developed faster). How is Myles Turner not a true 5? You are talking about a rim protector, and Myles Turner and John Henson are far better rim protectors/shot blockers than Len.

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I don't think it's easy to trade upcoming RFA's who you will have to pay (though of course McD traded for one), particularly ones that haven't shown they can be really good, unless you are just not looking for much of a return. Portland might not want him but then we'd either probably have to take back Plumlee or they'd have to find another team who wants a guy like that.
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Post#1696 » by ImNotMcDiSwear » Thu Dec 15, 2016 7:26 pm

bwgood77 wrote:If you think all these teams would love to have Len, why don't you want him? Why Chandler for the long term? You want to draft another raw center?


As mentioned, McD has stated that he sees Bender as a 4/5, so in a sense, we already have another raw center.

It's not that I don't want him, it's that I don't want both him and Chandler. We've been assuming Tyson will be moved, but I'm not so sure any more.
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Post#1697 » by bwgood77 » Thu Dec 15, 2016 7:40 pm

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bwgood77 wrote:If you think all these teams would love to have Len, why don't you want him? Why Chandler for the long term? You want to draft another raw center?


As mentioned, McD has stated that he sees Bender as a 4/5, so in a sense, we already have another raw center.

It's not that I don't want him, it's that I don't want both him and Chandler. We've been assuming Tyson will be moved, but I'm not so sure any more.


I think Chandler makes sense to have until Bender is ready to play a little more at the 5. I don't think either Chandler or Len will be moved this year, and I think if one moves this year it would be Chandler more near the deadline. But ultimately I expect Chandler to more likely be moved next year mid season if he still is playing well or perhaps in the off season.
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas and Discussion 

Post#1698 » by lilfishi22 » Thu Dec 15, 2016 10:51 pm

cosmofizzo wrote:Quick question - given that Chandler and Len have basically been playing at about the same level as starters this season... should we deal Alex? Plenty of team out there need or could use a young rim protector, as they don't grow on trees: Boston, Charlotte, Cleveland, Dallas, Golden State (who couldn't re-sign him, so not really an option), Indiana, Milwaukee, Minnesota, New Orleans, Portland, San Antonio(?). That's a lot of potential suitors.

Part of my thinking is - with Tyson under a reasonable contract for two more seasons, playing as good as Alex will play, yet for some reason not easy to deal, and given the fact that McD has said in repeated radio interviews that they expect Dragan to eventually play 4/5... maybe Alex is the odd man out.

Not exactly sure what we'd want in return. Perhaps a cheaper backup 5 and a pick and/or a prospect? Perhaps as part of a deal to get a young rotation player in return?

I'm far from enamoured by Len but Chandler is not an option for the future so it makes no sense to trade youth (unless they suck) over an older player. As great as Chandler has been this season, Len without a doubt is more valuable to us than he is because Len is still young and can be part of our future. Chandler is a two year bandaid/mentor for our C position. Will Len end up being our C of the future, maybe, maybe not but we know Chandler definitely won't be. I also don't see an issue with a Len/Bender front line. I think Bender especially is versatile enough to play next to Len who's more of a traditional C.

In my view, for a young team like us, we should be getting rid of the old and keeping the young.
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas and Discussion 

Post#1700 » by lilfishi22 » Thu Dec 15, 2016 11:20 pm

bwgood77 wrote:I think Chandler makes sense to have until Bender is ready to play a little more at the 5. I don't think either Chandler or Len will be moved this year, and I think if one moves this year it would be Chandler more near the deadline. But ultimately I expect Chandler to more likely be moved next year mid season if he still is playing well or perhaps in the off season.

I mentioned this in a past post but do you think there's any thinking internally to keep Chandler around to "diminish" Len's contract year?

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