Where is Jahlil Okafor?

[CoreyGallagher]

Okafor now has the same OBPM as he did last season (-2.6) with a positive DBPM (+0.3), VORP has also raised to about an even 0.0. Still a ways to go, obviously, as it's still negative overall, but that's considerable improvement from last season and even just from the beginning of this season.

[SelfishPlayer]

Amazing how Okafor plays better WITH BETTER PLAYERS! It's a miracle! Imagine if he played with a real NBA point guard.

[76ciology]

Okafor now has the same OBPM as he did last season (-2.6) with a noticeably positive DBPM (+0.3), VORP has also raised to about an even 0.0. Still a ways to go, obviously, as it's still negative overall, but that's considerable improvement from last season and even just from the beginning of this season.

Was about to post this. Not saying much, but most improved player from the roster last season?

He just need to keep improving his D this season and really really try to expand his range during offseason.

For now and despite most say, I like him playing alongside Holmes and Biid. Then I have Biid and Noel sharing most of the minutes at center.

[Sixerscan]

VORP is a counting stat... that starts at 0.0... claiming he's "most improved" is incredibly misleading

[Sixerscan]

Our offense isn't great with Embiid either, tho. 99.3 ORtg (would rank 27th) that's better than Okafor's 94.9 for the season (considerably last), but still leaves much to be desired.

(To Okafor's credit, his on ORtg since November 26th has been 101.8, but even that would only rank 21st)

Lol now we're comparing Okafor to Embiid, great. Who was talking about just offense? And that's 4 pp100p better lol that's some great bending over backwards.

That's nice of you to give Okafor some credit though. That's the real problem around here, not enough people making excuses for him.

"Embiid is able to succeed with crappy teammates more than Okafor because he's a lot better than Okafor and the two shouldn't be compared" <- all that has to be said.

Embiid is a future franchise player that can rise above bad teammates and impact games through sheer force of will, Okafor is a (hopefully very good?) role player that needs to be put in a position to succeed (And also put himself in position to succeed by getting in better shape and giving a full effort all the time).

[Sixerscan]

I don't think the Okafor/Embiid opening can work but I saw some good things from Jah.

I'd be surprised if Porzingis weren't a top 10 player at some point in his career, potentially within a few years. I would not be surprised if he peaked around top 5.

I don't know if it is because he is white, but he is being way overrated. He is a tall athletic shooter that blocks shots. He isn't a rebounder, defender, or passer. Unless he puts on 30-40 pounds he won't be able to play center.

Towns, Davis, Simmons, and Embiid are the types of players that you are talking about. Porzingis is a Paul George, Derozan, Carmelo Anthony type of guy to me. An all star some day, but not the type of guy that carries a franchise or challenges for an MVP award. That is what I think of as a franchise player. A player that can carry a team to contending, and is in the mix for the MVP award.

George, Derozan, or Melo will never get close to an MVP, but they are still considered stars. Lillard is another one.



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Porzingis is rated the #1 rim protector in the league. I watched his recent Laker game and it was the best rim protection performance I've seen from anyone this season. His problem is strength. He can't check physical C's and cant back down anyone in the post. That being said I don't know what his projection really is. He might just max out at that level your suggesting but he might have a chance to be something more.

We don't care about rim protection around here... unless Okafor has some random stats that reflect positively on him then people spend all summer pointing to them insinuating that he's actually a good defender.

[LloydFree]

Our offense isn't great with Embiid either, tho. 99.3 ORtg (would rank 27th) that's better than Okafor's 94.9 for the season (considerably last), but still leaves much to be desired.

(To Okafor's credit, his on ORtg since November 26th has been 101.8, but even that would only rank 21st)

Lol now we're comparing Okafor to Embiid, great. Who was talking about just offense? And that's 4 pp100p better lol that's some great bending over backwards.

That's nice of you to give Okafor some credit though. That's the real problem around here, not enough people making excuses for him.

"Embiid is able to succeed with crappy teammates more than Okafor because he's a lot better than Okafor and the two shouldn't be compared" <- all that has to be said.

Embiid is a future franchise player that can rise above bad teammates and impact games through sheer force of will, Okafor is a (hopefully very good?) role player that needs to be put in a position to succeed (And also put himself in position to succeed by getting in better shape and giving a full effort all the time).

When you are a top 3 pick in the NBA draft, you are expected to have the talent and ability to make the game easier for lesser teammates and help lift their games. But in this case we have a #3 overall pick who not only lacks the ability to make the game easier for (so-called) lesser teammates, but actively makes them worse. We have a situation here, where we have to find specific teammates to make the #3 pick look like a good player. And that seems to makes perfect sense to a lot of people.

Okafor's upside is exactly what you said: A good role player. The only problem is the "role" he's most equipped to play isn't very valuable in the NBA.

Hopefully the trade deadline will put an end to these ridiculous Okafor discussions.

[rzzzzz]

did anybody catch last night's game? Henderson was efficient and RoCo was more than fair. but Toronto's back court/wings tore us apart (with some very friendly calls), when a gimpy Embiid went out after getting smacked in the eye by Ilya. somehow he and Okafor got only 15 shots, despite Okafor shooting the high percentages again. and folks here think Jah was the problem? how's AD been doing in NO? maybe they should trade him pennies on the dollar.

[Sixerscan]

Nice now we are comparing him to Anthony Davis.

Don't get where you are getting that this conversation is about blaming him for last nights game...

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[rzzzzz]

Don't get where you are getting that this conversation is about blaming him for last nights game...

i don't know. "role player" "improved...incredibly misleading" "trade deadline will put an end to ridiculous Okafor discussion" ain't exactly the most supportive stuff right after a game. not like "bounce in his step." and even someone as gifted as AD needs at least a little help to win a ballgame. which we're on schedule for, if we got the patience.

[Sixerscan]

Don't get where you are getting that this conversation is about blaming him for last nights game...

i don't know. "role player" "improved...incredibly misleading" "trade deadline will put an end to ridiculous Okafor discussion" ain't exactly the most supportive stuff right after a game. not like "bounce in his step." and even someone as gifted as AD needs at least a little help to win a ballgame. which we're on schedule for, if we got the patience.

You're really misreading stuff then.

[76ciology]

Okafor's jersey number is same with Kobe.


What?! You're comparing him with Kobe?!


Chill guys.

[JojoSlimbiid]

I mean it's been obvious for awhile but Jahlil is just gonna be our scapegoat until he isn't here anymore. Whether issues are his fault or not he'll get the blame by sheer virtue of just being on the roster. No need to rage against the machine it's just the way it is for folks around here.

[CoreyGallagher]

Lol now we're comparing Okafor to Embiid, great.

Not a direct comparison, which is how you seem to be reading absolutely everything posted in this thread as...

Who was talking about just offense? And that's 4 pp100p better lol that's some great bending over backwards.

I was, I specifically stated that in the beginning of my post.
I never said that 4 pp100p wasn't considerable. In fact I said that it was. (27th > considerably last)

"Embiid is able to succeed with crappy teammates more than Okafor because he's a lot better than Okafor and the two shouldn't be compared" <- all that has to be said.

Embiid is a future franchise player that can rise above bad teammates and impact games through sheer force of will, Okafor is a (hopefully very good?) role player that needs to be put in a position to succeed (And also put himself in position to succeed by getting in better shape and giving a full effort all the time).

I never said otherwise, I don't think that people are actually directly comparing them so I didn't feel a need to iterate/excerpt the obvious.

[CoreyGallagher]

VORP is a counting stat... that starts at 0.0... claiming he's "most improved" is incredibly misleading

I didn't say that he was 'most improved'. I said that it was an improvement as he had dipped into negative and, with the rest of his metrics, it has improved the last few games (even if it is just back to even).

[Negrodamus]

MOD FIGHT!

[Sixerscan]

VORP is a counting stat... that starts at 0.0... claiming he's "most improved" is incredibly misleading

I didn't say that he was 'most improved'. I said that it was an improvement as he had dipped into negative and, with the rest of his metrics, it has improved the last few games (even if it is just back to even).

Was referring the post directly above mine saying he was "most improved player from the roster last season"

[sixers101683]

I don't think the Okafor/Embiid opening can work but I saw some good things from Jah.

I'd be surprised if Porzingis weren't a top 10 player at some point in his career, potentially within a few years. I would not be surprised if he peaked around top 5.

I don't know if it is because he is white, but he is being way overrated. He is a tall athletic shooter that blocks shots. He isn't a rebounder, defender, or passer. Unless he puts on 30-40 pounds he won't be able to play center.

Towns, Davis, Simmons, and Embiid are the types of players that you are talking about. Porzingis is a Paul George, Derozan, Carmelo Anthony type of guy to me. An all star some day, but not the type of guy that carries a franchise or challenges for an MVP award. That is what I think of as a franchise player. A player that can carry a team to contending, and is in the mix for the MVP award.

George, Derozan, or Melo will never get close to an MVP, but they are still considered stars. Lillard is another one.



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Porzingis is rated the #1 rim protector in the league. I watched his recent Laker game and it was the best rim protection performance I've seen from anyone this season. His problem is strength. He can't check physical C's and cant back down anyone in the post. That being said I don't know what his projection really is. He might just max out at that level your suggesting but he might have a chance to be something more.

imagine if we took porzingis instead of oakfor, maybe if hinkie didnt trade mcw and maybe kept ish smith and kept the team together instead of stripping it, i really think this team would be alot better than anyone thinks. that's how rebuilds work, you have to keep the team together and not strip it.

[Ericb5]

I don't think the Okafor/Embiid opening can work but I saw some good things from Jah.

I don't know if it is because he is white, but he is being way overrated. He is a tall athletic shooter that blocks shots. He isn't a rebounder, defender, or passer. Unless he puts on 30-40 pounds he won't be able to play center.

Towns, Davis, Simmons, and Embiid are the types of players that you are talking about. Porzingis is a Paul George, Derozan, Carmelo Anthony type of guy to me. An all star some day, but not the type of guy that carries a franchise or challenges for an MVP award. That is what I think of as a franchise player. A player that can carry a team to contending, and is in the mix for the MVP award.

George, Derozan, or Melo will never get close to an MVP, but they are still considered stars. Lillard is another one.



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Porzingis is rated the #1 rim protector in the league. I watched his recent Laker game and it was the best rim protection performance I've seen from anyone this season. His problem is strength. He can't check physical C's and cant back down anyone in the post. That being said I don't know what his projection really is. He might just max out at that level your suggesting but he might have a chance to be something more.

imagine if we took porzingis instead of oakfor, maybe if hinkie didnt trade mcw and maybe kept ish smith and kept the team together instead of stripping it, i really think this team would be alot better than anyone thinks. that's how rebuilds work, you have to keep the team together and not strip it.

I agree that we would be in better shape if we had Porzingis over Okafor, in fact from the first month of last season I was saying that I would prefer Porzingis to Okafor because he fit better with Embiid. As soon as I realized that Porzingis wasn't a bust.

The debate isn't whether or not Porzingis is better than Okafor. The debate is whether or not Porzingis is a franchise player. THAT is the part where I think people are overrating him. They are assuming facts not in evidence.

He is tall and uncommonly athletic and that makes him stand out. He has a sweet stroke, and that makes him stand out. He is white, and that makes him standout. It makes him seem like more of a unicorn that he is white is what I mean. Not that people like him more because he is white. He is also a very likable kid, who competes.

Let's not turn around and compare him to Embiid or Davis though. I mean let's be real.