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Re: Source: Teams inquiring on Kyle O'Quinn 

Post#61 » by Knicksfan1992 » Thu Dec 15, 2016 8:16 pm

NYKnicksTAPE wrote:I'd take KOQ for a 1st rounder or KOQ packaged with LT for a player on an expiring contract that could help us this season


Thing with trading KOQ for a pick is you're most likely trading him to an already good team who feels they need 1 more piece. So the pick is probably in the mid to late 20's. The likelihood of that pick developing into the kind of player Kyle is, currently, over the life of his contract is pretty slim. I'd rather hold on to Kyle until draft night if that's the case and see who falls and strike then. Or package him with our pick to move up into the late lottery possibly.
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Re: Source: Teams inquiring on Kyle O'Quinn 

Post#62 » by Dantares » Thu Dec 15, 2016 8:16 pm

Knicksfan1992 wrote:We could really use an impact wing or a young guard. Maybe if Boston strikes out on all of their primary targets they'd bite on O'Quinn. I happen to like KOQ and don't want to move him for just any old package. His contract is pennies with the new salary cap in place. Problem with moving KOQ is that their are a lot of bigs on the perceived market with not a lot of clear landing spots for them

Wilson Chandler would be awesome but, I don't think they're interested in adding another big their already cluttered rotation.

O'Quinn for Shabazz Muhammad makes some sense for both teams. However, I'd rather have a more defensive minded wing.

We'd probably have to add something but Phil could finally make up for his "biggest mistake" by trying to get Jae Crowder this time around.

Also Atlanta could probably use some depth behind Dwight. They have a ton of young wings and Korver. We could land my man Bembry and probably a pick as well.

Maybe the Raptors bite on KOQ being a PF and send us TRoss.

One of the Blazers wings would make a lot of sense for us and they could use what KOQ brings badly.


if we trade for a wing player I want anthony roberson. that dude is a beast on defense, he is like a bigger tony allen.
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Re: Source: Teams inquiring on Kyle O'Quinn 

Post#63 » by blueNorange » Thu Dec 15, 2016 8:18 pm

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no i won't, clearly o'quinn is more talented but no way is a bench player 'part of the core'

the core is kristaps porzingis and willy hernangomez.


I know what you're trying to say, but KOQ is a pretty young guy still. And he may not be coming off the bench for much longer. Also, we can only hope Willy will eventually be as good as Kyle has been defensively and on the glass.

If Kyle continues playing this well the rest of the season, he deserves to be here long-term. We're gonna need him. Noah is more of a bench player at this point, so a tough and talented big like KO should be invaluable to a team with a player like KP developing in the front court.

Seriously... we need him.

o'quinn isn't a guy you refuse to trade.
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Re: Source: Teams inquiring on Kyle O'Quinn 

Post#64 » by blueNorange » Thu Dec 15, 2016 8:18 pm

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Knicksfan1992 wrote:We could really use an impact wing or a young guard. Maybe if Boston strikes out on all of their primary targets they'd bite on O'Quinn. I happen to like KOQ and don't want to move him for just any old package. His contract is pennies with the new salary cap in place. Problem with moving KOQ is that their are a lot of bigs on the perceived market with not a lot of clear landing spots for them

Wilson Chandler would be awesome but, I don't think they're interested in adding another big their already cluttered rotation.

O'Quinn for Shabazz Muhammad makes some sense for both teams. However, I'd rather have a more defensive minded wing.

We'd probably have to add something but Phil could finally make up for his "biggest mistake" by trying to get Jae Crowder this time around.

Also Atlanta could probably use some depth behind Dwight. They have a ton of young wings and Korver. We could land my man Bembry and probably a pick as well.

Maybe the Raptors bite on KOQ being a PF and send us TRoss.

One of the Blazers wings would make a lot of sense for us and they could use what KOQ brings badly.


if we trade for a wing player I want anthony roberson. that dude is a beast on defense, he is like a bigger tony allen.

why would the thunder trade him?
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Re: Source: Teams inquiring on Kyle O'Quinn 

Post#65 » by Knicksfan1992 » Thu Dec 15, 2016 8:18 pm

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Knicksfan1992 wrote:We could really use an impact wing or a young guard. Maybe if Boston strikes out on all of their primary targets they'd bite on O'Quinn. I happen to like KOQ and don't want to move him for just any old package. His contract is pennies with the new salary cap in place. Problem with moving KOQ is that their are a lot of bigs on the perceived market with not a lot of clear landing spots for them

Wilson Chandler would be awesome but, I don't think they're interested in adding another big their already cluttered rotation.

O'Quinn for Shabazz Muhammad makes some sense for both teams. However, I'd rather have a more defensive minded wing.

We'd probably have to add something but Phil could finally make up for his "biggest mistake" by trying to get Jae Crowder this time around.

Also Atlanta could probably use some depth behind Dwight. They have a ton of young wings and Korver. We could land my man Bembry and probably a pick as well.

Maybe the Raptors bite on KOQ being a PF and send us TRoss.

One of the Blazers wings would make a lot of sense for us and they could use what KOQ brings badly.


if we trade for a wing player I want anthony roberson. that dude is a beast on defense, he is like a bigger tony allen.


Yeah Roberson is a nice player. I'd like him on that bench unit with Holliday/LT/and him being interchangeable on defense. Problem is he can't hit water if he fell out of a boat. :lol:
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Re: Source: Teams inquiring on Kyle O'Quinn 

Post#66 » by kane2021 » Thu Dec 15, 2016 8:18 pm

I expect koq to slow at some point in the season and Noah to pick it up. Salary wise there's really not a lot that can be done unless you dumb his value down with lance. I'm also factoring in his replacement cost. Unless some team does something stupid and makes a offer you can't turn down I don't see much reason to trade him.


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Re: Source: Teams inquiring on Kyle O'Quinn 

Post#67 » by King of Canada » Thu Dec 15, 2016 8:18 pm

We need what KOQ brings. We'd be stupid to move him if he can keep it up.
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Post#68 » by Dantares » Thu Dec 15, 2016 8:21 pm

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Knicksfan1992 wrote:We could really use an impact wing or a young guard. Maybe if Boston strikes out on all of their primary targets they'd bite on O'Quinn. I happen to like KOQ and don't want to move him for just any old package. His contract is pennies with the new salary cap in place. Problem with moving KOQ is that their are a lot of bigs on the perceived market with not a lot of clear landing spots for them

Wilson Chandler would be awesome but, I don't think they're interested in adding another big their already cluttered rotation.

O'Quinn for Shabazz Muhammad makes some sense for both teams. However, I'd rather have a more defensive minded wing.

We'd probably have to add something but Phil could finally make up for his "biggest mistake" by trying to get Jae Crowder this time around.

Also Atlanta could probably use some depth behind Dwight. They have a ton of young wings and Korver. We could land my man Bembry and probably a pick as well.

Maybe the Raptors bite on KOQ being a PF and send us TRoss.

One of the Blazers wings would make a lot of sense for us and they could use what KOQ brings badly.


if we trade for a wing player I want anthony roberson. that dude is a beast on defense, he is like a bigger tony allen.

why would the thunder trade him?



because its christmas time and the thunder should be in the spirit of giving. but to answer your question, yeah they wouldn't trade him.
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Re: Source: Teams inquiring on Kyle O'Quinn 

Post#69 » by Meat » Thu Dec 15, 2016 8:24 pm

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Jay10 wrote:the difference between O'Quinn from last season to this season, is he has a coach that knows what he's doing.

or he got in shape and isn't taking dumb shots anymore.

or he's getting playtime, his per 36 numbers are pretty on par with his career
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Re: Source: Teams inquiring on Kyle O'Quinn 

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Knicksfan1992 wrote:We could really use an impact wing or a young guard. Maybe if Boston strikes out on all of their primary targets they'd bite on O'Quinn. I happen to like KOQ and don't want to move him for just any old package. His contract is pennies with the new salary cap in place. Problem with moving KOQ is that their are a lot of bigs on the perceived market with not a lot of clear landing spots for them

Wilson Chandler would be awesome but, I don't think they're interested in adding another big their already cluttered rotation.

O'Quinn for Shabazz Muhammad makes some sense for both teams. However, I'd rather have a more defensive minded wing.

We'd probably have to add something but Phil could finally make up for his "biggest mistake" by trying to get Jae Crowder this time around.

Also Atlanta could probably use some depth behind Dwight. They have a ton of young wings and Korver. We could land my man Bembry and probably a pick as well.

Maybe the Raptors bite on KOQ being a PF and send us TRoss.

One of the Blazers wings would make a lot of sense for us and they could use what KOQ brings badly.


if we trade for a wing player I want anthony roberson. that dude is a beast on defense, he is like a bigger tony allen.

why would the thunder trade him?


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Post#71 » by JohnStarksTheDunk » Thu Dec 15, 2016 8:24 pm

For the right price, no one on this team except for KP should be considered untouchable. If someone blows you away with an offer for KOQ, you take it. With that said, he's probably worth more to the Knicks right now than his trade value, because he has one of the friendliest contracts in the league, which makes him a great complement to Noah. When you're overpaying for one guy, you have to balance that with bargain contracts, and if you look at the production you get from both players with their combined salaries, it's a lot more palatable.

As someone else mentioned, the Knicks need players and won't be looking to just get a mid-late 1st rounder for him, so that means any deal would have to be for a clear upgrade.
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Re: Source: Teams inquiring on Kyle O'Quinn 

Post#72 » by blueNorange » Thu Dec 15, 2016 8:24 pm

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Jay10 wrote:the difference between O'Quinn from last season to this season, is he has a coach that knows what he's doing.

or he got in shape and isn't taking dumb shots anymore.

or he's getting playtime, his per 36 numbers are pretty on par with his career

why do you think he didn't get playing time last year?

1. not in shape
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Post#73 » by CJackson » Thu Dec 15, 2016 8:24 pm

Aside from maybe the first few games of the season, there is not a single player other than KOQ that has delivered impactful minutes RELIABLY.

Teams fall apart without at least one highly consistent player and this season that has been KOQ.

Take away a player who has become so dependable and it makes the variables of coaching twice as hard.
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Post#74 » by DOT » Thu Dec 15, 2016 8:27 pm

It'll be to Boston, Minny, or Portland if he is moved.
I'm thinking Minny because there's nobody on Portland we can match salaries with, and Danny Ainge is only looking to trade for a superstar, which KOQ may be in our hearts, but isn't on the court.
So I'd say KOQ for Tyus Jones/ Kris Dunn, whichever the Wolves like less.
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Post#75 » by Bill Pidto » Thu Dec 15, 2016 8:28 pm

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blueNorange wrote:no i won't, clearly o'quinn is more talented but no way is a bench player 'part of the core'

the core is kristaps porzingis and willy hernangomez.


I know what you're trying to say, but KOQ is a pretty young guy still. And he may not be coming off the bench for much longer. Also, we can only hope Willy will eventually be as good as Kyle has been defensively and on the glass.

If Kyle continues playing this well the rest of the season, he deserves to be here long-term. We're gonna need him. Noah is more of a bench player at this point, so a tough and talented big like KO should be invaluable to a team with a player like KP developing in the front court.

Seriously... we need him.

o'quinn isn't a guy you refuse to trade.


Nah, he's not untouchable, but I doubt the Knicks get an offer for him they can't refuse (lottery pick/all-star/all-star caliber prospect). He's in that grey area right now in terms of value. Too good to trade away for an OK package, not yet good enough to trade away a great package to get him.

I think he's part of the core though. He's our best center. Our second most important big behind KP. Arguably our second most impactful player, period. You don't have to be an all-star to be a part of a team's core. Not that a future all-star selection is out of the question for KOQ..
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Re: Source: Teams inquiring on Kyle O'Quinn 

Post#76 » by NYKnicksTAPE » Thu Dec 15, 2016 8:30 pm

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NYKnicksTAPE wrote:I'd take KOQ for a 1st rounder or KOQ packaged with LT for a player on an expiring contract that could help us this season


Thing with trading KOQ for a pick is you're most likely trading him to an already good team who feels they need 1 more piece. So the pick is probably in the mid to late 20's. The likelihood of that pick developing into the kind of player Kyle is, currently, over the life of his contract is pretty slim. I'd rather hold on to Kyle until draft night if that's the case and see who falls and strike then. Or package him with our pick to move up into the late lottery possibly.

yeah, waiting until draft night would probably be a better option than trading him for a pick right now
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Post#77 » by Deeeez Knicks » Thu Dec 15, 2016 8:31 pm

I like KOQ and he is playing great, but if the right deal comes along you have to consider it especially since we have Willy.

I think we could really use a defensive SF/PF type. Like say, package LT and KOQ for someone like Aminu?

A versatile defensive F like that could really help our defense.
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Post#78 » by BKAY » Thu Dec 15, 2016 8:35 pm

Been saying for a while now KOQ is the best or at least one of the very best contract in the NBA. Personally I'd keep him. The flexibility his contract combined with Willy provides is great....really really good value at the C spot. Even with Noahs 18mil per, our 3 Cs salaries are 24mil for the next 3 year. Real nice value.
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Re: Source: Teams inquiring on Kyle O'Quinn 

Post#79 » by Fat Kat » Thu Dec 15, 2016 8:36 pm

blueNorange wrote:
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blueNorange wrote:or he got in shape and isn't taking dumb shots anymore.

or he's getting playtime, his per 36 numbers are pretty on par with his career

why do you think he didn't get playing time last year?

1. not in shape
2. took dumb shots


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Post#80 » by magnumt » Thu Dec 15, 2016 8:36 pm

K-DOT wrote:It'll be to Boston, Minny, or Portland if he is moved.
I'm thinking Minny because there's nobody on Portland we can match salaries with, and Danny Ainge is only looking to trade for a superstar, which KOQ may be in our hearts, but isn't on the court.
So I'd say KOQ for Tyus Jones/ Kris Dunn, whichever the Wolves like less.
Plus maybe a future 2nd


OMG if we walk away with Dunn AND a pick(s) for KOQ. :o :droop:

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