Source: Teams inquiring on Kyle O'Quinn

[SelbyCobra]

Nah, he's not untouchable, but I doubt the Knicks get an offer for him they can't refuse (lottery pick/all-star/all-star caliber prospect). He's in that grey area right now in terms of value. Too good to trade away for an OK package, not yet good enough to trade away a great package to get him.

I agree with the notion that he's not untouchable, but disagree that he's in a grey area on the trade market, and for one reason:

In most major sports contracts are traded just as much as actual players. In KOQ's case the contract goes beyond the simple tack-on mention of, "and he's on a great contract." Under his level of play through the first 25-30% of the season, the deal that Phil signed him to can literally be talked about in the category of "most valuable contracts in the NBA".

This isn't to say that KOQ is one of the most valuable players in the NBA (he's absolutely not), but the combination of his current production and his ridiculous contract make him one of the more valuable assets to an NBA team in the entire league. Over the next three years he'll make less money than Dragan Bender.

Meanwhile, of all Forward-Centers (not straight up PFs or Center-Forwards) on BRef who have played at least 300 minutes this year...

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Rk               Player  Season Age  Tm  G  MP eFG%  TS%  PER
1         Anthony Davis 2016-17  23 NOP 24 919 .509 .584 29.3
2    Karl-Anthony Towns 2016-17  21 MIN 25 877 .509 .549 21.8
3           Kyle OQuinn 2016-17  26 NYK 24 372 .575 .593 21.4
4          Clint Capela 2016-17  22 HOU 26 649 .631 .619 20.5
5          Myles Turner 2016-17  20 IND 25 730 .553 .606 20.5
6            Al Horford 2016-17  30 BOS 15 489 .534 .565 20.2
7    Kristaps Porzingis 2016-17  21 NYK 25 862 .527 .565 19.8
8             Pau Gasol 2016-17  36 SAS 24 637 .527 .541 18.6
9           Serge Ibaka 2016-17  27 ORL 27 823 .535 .565 17.8
10          Cody Zeller 2016-17  24 CHO 23 584 .608 .634 17.5
11        Channing Frye 2016-17  33 CLE 17 303 .583 .610 17.0
12         Mike Muscala 2016-17  25 ATL 25 552 .613 .638 15.6
13     Tristan Thompson 2016-17  25 CLE 24 700 .598 .583 14.8
14         Tyler Zeller 2016-17  27 BOS 23 300 .468 .487 14.4
15         Nene Hilario 2016-17  34 HOU 21 364 .578 .595 13.9
16       Frank Kaminsky 2016-17  23 CHO 24 620 .437 .463 11.8
17          Lavoy Allen 2016-17  27 IND 22 314 .333 .353  7.6
18           Boris Diaw 2016-17  34 UTA 17 367 .475 .494  6.3


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Generated 12/15/2016.

I believe there's a huge value to him on the trade market right now, because he's playing well, yes, but primarily because of how that play augments his total value being signed to a 3/12 deal in this climate.

[AmazingJason]

You gonna trade this????

DAMN, Kyle looking fit as f*ck.

I wonder how much bodyfat he lost from last year. He was looking more like the center version of Melo back then

I kid, I kid

[CJackson]

Nah, he's not untouchable, but I doubt the Knicks get an offer for him they can't refuse (lottery pick/all-star/all-star caliber prospect). He's in that grey area right now in terms of value. Too good to trade away for an OK package, not yet good enough to trade away a great package to get him.

I agree with the notion that he's not untouchable, but disagree that he's in a grey area on the trade market, and for one reason:

In most major sports contracts are traded just as much as actual players. In KOQ's case the contract goes beyond the simple tack-on mention of, "and he's on a great contract." Under his level of play through the first 25-30% of the season, the deal that Phil signed him to can literally be talked about in the category of "most valuable contracts in the NBA".

This isn't to say that KOQ is one of the most valuable players in the NBA (he's absolutely not), but the combination of his current production and his ridiculous contract make him one of the more valuable assets to an NBA team in the entire league. Over the next three years he'll make less money than Dragan Bender.

Meanwhile, of all Forward-Centers (not straight up PFs or Center-Forwards) on BRef who have played at least 300 minutes this year...

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Rk               Player  Season Age  Tm  G  MP eFG%  TS%  PER
1         Anthony Davis 2016-17  23 NOP 24 919 .509 .584 29.3
2    Karl-Anthony Towns 2016-17  21 MIN 25 877 .509 .549 21.8
3           Kyle OQuinn 2016-17  26 NYK 24 372 .575 .593 21.4
4          Clint Capela 2016-17  22 HOU 26 649 .631 .619 20.5
5          Myles Turner 2016-17  20 IND 25 730 .553 .606 20.5
6            Al Horford 2016-17  30 BOS 15 489 .534 .565 20.2
7    Kristaps Porzingis 2016-17  21 NYK 25 862 .527 .565 19.8
8             Pau Gasol 2016-17  36 SAS 24 637 .527 .541 18.6
9           Serge Ibaka 2016-17  27 ORL 27 823 .535 .565 17.8
10          Cody Zeller 2016-17  24 CHO 23 584 .608 .634 17.5
11        Channing Frye 2016-17  33 CLE 17 303 .583 .610 17.0
12         Mike Muscala 2016-17  25 ATL 25 552 .613 .638 15.6
13     Tristan Thompson 2016-17  25 CLE 24 700 .598 .583 14.8
14         Tyler Zeller 2016-17  27 BOS 23 300 .468 .487 14.4
15         Nene Hilario 2016-17  34 HOU 21 364 .578 .595 13.9
16       Frank Kaminsky 2016-17  23 CHO 24 620 .437 .463 11.8
17          Lavoy Allen 2016-17  27 IND 22 314 .333 .353  7.6
18           Boris Diaw 2016-17  34 UTA 17 367 .475 .494  6.3


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Generated 12/15/2016.

I believe there's a huge value to him on the trade market right now, because he's playing well, yes, but primarily because of how that play augments his total value being signed to a 3/12 deal in this climate.

Not 3.5 years though. He's in year 2 of a 4 year deal with an opt-out in the fourth year so technically he's only nailed down for another 1.5 seasons

[misterfrazier10]

Is the level of basketball he is playing worth a top ten draft pick? I love that he's a local, he got in shape, he is a banger and a passer. I think he could be a very important piece during the KP era. But if a team offers a top ten draft pick I think you have to think about it.

[DrCoach]

He is big, going into his prime and on a super cheap contract.

I was telling everybody in they summer that he was good and half the board wanted to trade him.

That said, I would only give him up for a late lotto or higher pick or a young stud.

[CJackson]

One other thing. Going into the end of next season, the Knicks could offer him an extension (I don't know the technicalities of this though) instead of waiting for him to opt-out and get an offer that is too expensive to match.

If KOQ remains at his current level this year and next he should remain a Knick. And for the very reason he is true blue old school type of Knick player who'd likely want to remain in his home town, the continued value at which the Knicks could secure his long term services may still be a very good deal compared to paying for a player on the open market.

If KOQ plays like he has been into next year I don't see how we would have found comparable production for under $10M on the open market. He certainly has been as valuable as Rolo was. I'd say more so.

It all depends on whether he can sustain this. If he can I think there will be an incentive for him to remain a Knick at a price that helps the team.

[jvsimonetti0514]

I like KOQ and he is playing great, but if the right deal comes along you have to consider it especially since we have Willy.

I think we could really use a defensive SF/PF type. Like say, package LT and KOQ for someone like Aminu?

A versatile defensive F like that could really help our defense.

Would love Aminu but don't see that happening at all from Portland perspective -- they could use the beef but don't see them giving up on AA.

Portland is the 23rd ranked rebounding team in the league and have wayyyy too many wings. Aminu is just awful offensively this year TS% of .337. Maybe they'd be willing to part with Mo Harkless and a pick instead for KOQ.

[SelbyCobra]

Nah, he's not untouchable, but I doubt the Knicks get an offer for him they can't refuse (lottery pick/all-star/all-star caliber prospect). He's in that grey area right now in terms of value. Too good to trade away for an OK package, not yet good enough to trade away a great package to get him.

I agree with the notion that he's not untouchable, but disagree that he's in a grey area on the trade market, and for one reason:

In most major sports contracts are traded just as much as actual players. In KOQ's case the contract goes beyond the simple tack-on mention of, "and he's on a great contract." Under his level of play through the first 25-30% of the season, the deal that Phil signed him to can literally be talked about in the category of "most valuable contracts in the NBA".

This isn't to say that KOQ is one of the most valuable players in the NBA (he's absolutely not), but the combination of his current production and his ridiculous contract make him one of the more valuable assets to an NBA team in the entire league. Over the next three years he'll make less money than Dragan Bender.

Meanwhile, of all Forward-Centers (not straight up PFs or Center-Forwards) on BRef who have played at least 300 minutes this year...

Code: Select all

                                                             
                                         
Rk               Player  Season Age  Tm  G  MP eFG%  TS%  PER
1         Anthony Davis 2016-17  23 NOP 24 919 .509 .584 29.3
2    Karl-Anthony Towns 2016-17  21 MIN 25 877 .509 .549 21.8
3           Kyle OQuinn 2016-17  26 NYK 24 372 .575 .593 21.4
4          Clint Capela 2016-17  22 HOU 26 649 .631 .619 20.5
5          Myles Turner 2016-17  20 IND 25 730 .553 .606 20.5
6            Al Horford 2016-17  30 BOS 15 489 .534 .565 20.2
7    Kristaps Porzingis 2016-17  21 NYK 25 862 .527 .565 19.8
8             Pau Gasol 2016-17  36 SAS 24 637 .527 .541 18.6
9           Serge Ibaka 2016-17  27 ORL 27 823 .535 .565 17.8
10          Cody Zeller 2016-17  24 CHO 23 584 .608 .634 17.5
11        Channing Frye 2016-17  33 CLE 17 303 .583 .610 17.0
12         Mike Muscala 2016-17  25 ATL 25 552 .613 .638 15.6
13     Tristan Thompson 2016-17  25 CLE 24 700 .598 .583 14.8
14         Tyler Zeller 2016-17  27 BOS 23 300 .468 .487 14.4
15         Nene Hilario 2016-17  34 HOU 21 364 .578 .595 13.9
16       Frank Kaminsky 2016-17  23 CHO 24 620 .437 .463 11.8
17          Lavoy Allen 2016-17  27 IND 22 314 .333 .353  7.6
18           Boris Diaw 2016-17  34 UTA 17 367 .475 .494  6.3


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Generated 12/15/2016.

I believe there's a huge value to him on the trade market right now, because he's playing well, yes, but primarily because of how that play augments his total value being signed to a 3/12 deal in this climate.

Not 3.5 years though. He's in year 2 of a 4 year deal with an opt-out in the fourth year so technically he's only nailed down for another 1.5 seasons

That was 3 years/$12 million I was writing, so it should have said 2/8 due to the player option in year 4 I missed. I was counting this year as a whole because the reality is you'd trade for him in-season to impact your results this year (and he would).

[drekwins]

If you guys think that OQuinn is going to net a top 10 pick, you are out-of-touch. The most he'd get is a late 1st or another serviceable player that plays a different position. Wilson Chandler would be awesome. Backup undersized centers do not become big time prospects for playing a GOOD (not great) quarter season. Teams are asking because they think that they can get a good player for a reasonable price... not because they think he's a "must have"

[Newyorknick94]

If you guys think that OQuinn is going to net a top 10 pick, you are out-of-touch. The most he'd get is a late 1st or another serviceable player that plays a different position. Wilson Chandler would be awesome. Backup undersized centers do not become big time prospects for playing a GOOD (not great) quarter season. Teams are asking because they think that they can get a good player for a reasonable price... not because they think he's a "must have"

Yea there probably offering garbage hoping for us to bite.

[Newyorknick94]

While we have them on the phone we should try to give them lance lol

[K_ick_God]

Nah I wouldn't make him available.

[DaKnicksAreBack]

Sold for a first. I will help him pack.

Yep. We should sell high for a change. I'm not sold on him as a player. He's been playing great,but I'll take a first for him with the quickness.

[NYKMentality85]

if a team is offering a first round pick for o'quinn, you take it and run away laughing.

considering your total inability to accurately gauge his ability and value leading into the season your current opinion is worthless

Exactly NLR, exactly. blueNorange mocked, made fun of, laughed at, disrespected & literally trashed Kyle O'Quinn throughout the entire offseason (i have quotes to prove it). His player evaluation ability is that of an 8 year old.

But yet now he feels and believes as if he has the right to remark & comment on Kyle O'Quinn's status and/or value?

Nope. It doesn't quite work like that. Now, in regards to Kyle O'Quinn moving forward? He can shut his mouth and sit in the corner like a good liitle boy.

On a side note if Cleveland gave up two 1st rounders for Mozgov? Well, then, O'Quinn is going to cost you for his services. And if it's only 1 first rounder it must come from a team currently picking within the top 10. Or else it's not happening.

[NoLayupRule]

because o'quinn playing at a high level might just be a hot streak.

if the trade benefits both teams, you consider it.

Koq hasn't suddenly become another player

He's always been a major hustle guy. He won that award 2 of 3 seasons in Orl

He's always been a strong passing big
He's always been physical
He's always had a pretty ok jumper

What's different is simple
He's lost some weight and gained quickness, he's been here a full season so he knows KP and melo a little, and he's surounded by better players.

Last year he was the backup to rolo. The drop off was significant and there was no one else behind him.

This year he's backing up Noah where sadly the difference is less pronounced and he's competing for mins with Willy

Perception is so big in this league and on this board
Perspective less so

Koq was always this guy, he's just got a better environment to shine now

okay, and?

if a team is offering a first rounder you still consider it because it opens up minutes for hernangomez.

no

once again you are making the same irrational move

you need multiple bigs in this league. One guy is a rookie. You keep them both. Noah is too much a question mark to bank on.

and the draft pick thing is so overrated.
for starters not all picks are equal. Just like posters.

I for example am a high lottery pick where you are a late 2nd rounder at best.


If Mini offers their unprotected pick then ok
If the clips offer their you say no

[NoLayupRule]

It's also notable that people complain about not having home grown talent but as soon as someone starts to show some trade value people wanna move him for a pick

thats brilliant

[blueNorange]

if a team is offering a first round pick for o'quinn, you take it and run away laughing.

considering your total inability to accurately gauge his ability and value leading into the season your current opinion is worthless

Exactly NLR, exactly. blueNorange mocked, made fun of, laughed at, disrespected & literally trashed Kyle O'Quinn throughout the entire offseason (i have quotes to prove it). His player evaluation ability is that of an 8 year old.

But yet now he feels and believes as if he has the right to remark & comment on Kyle O'Quinn's status and/or value?

Nope. It doesn't quite work like that. Now, in regards to Kyle O'Quinn moving forward? He can shut his mouth and sit in the corner like a good liitle boy.

you mocked, made fun of, laughed at, and disrespected jrue holiday for missing 15 games because his wife had a tumor in her brain and he wanted to be by her side and still have yet to own up to it.

[Capn'O]

Aminu for KOQ?

No.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no. NO! No. No.

[TheDavinciCHODE]

I think his recent hot streak, attitude, and hustle have blinded some of the posters here. The guy is a solid backup big, and that's about it. He's getting about 6/5 on a nightly basis and a lot of his minutes come against 2nd units.

His real value comes from what he brings to the team in terms of chemistry, his hustle, work ethic(look how much he slimmed down)!, and the effort he brings in off the bench when the team needs it. That and the fact that he is on a contract that boils down to barely above the minimum when you take into account salary increases.

He's getting 4 mil per and playing at a 10/11 mil per level, and he's under contract for another two seasons. A team would definitely love him for cutting salary AND getting a + value bench guy.

I want to keep KOQ, but if a team makes an offer that's beneficial, then we need to consider it.

What I am worried about is shortening our big rotation to the point that it's detrimental to KP and Melo, and it would also leave us suceptible to major injury issues. Right now, if Noah goes down, we still have a few bigs that can give valuable minutes at the 5. If we flip Oquinn for a pick or good bench player, then we're really rolling the dice. We would need someone from the D-league or a vet min player to shore it up.

If Denver wants KOQ and a 2nd rounder for Wilson Chandler...then we need to

[SelbyCobra]

I think any deal would be something from a team in contention, such as a high-end talent who has under performed his draft spot or a young, unproven player who hasn't been able to crack their rotation.

Just quickly perusing rosters, players like Dante Exum and Trey Lyles on the Jazz, Stanley Johnson in DET, Bobby Portis on the Bulls, or the injured Cam Payne in OKC. If any of those teams wanted a veteran player on a great contract with good production NOW, then that's the kind of move I'd say we'd see.

But considering the Knicks are in contention themselves, I don't see any reason to make that move with KOQ out here contributing and locked down for next year on the super cheap. Right now the Knicks are exactly the type of team that would be looking to acquire a player like KOQ.