Love Stan the GM, Hate Stan the Coach

[hoophabit]

SVG is doing what a coach is supposed to do. He's also the head of Pistons basketball. Wouldn't surprise me if he doesn't look to employ a coach in a few years. He isn't getting any younger. SJ acts like he's finally getting the message. SVG just wants him to play the right way.

[bballnmike]

SVG is doing what a coach is supposed to do. He's also the head of Pistons basketball. Wouldn't surprise me if he doesn't look to employ a coach in a few years. He isn't getting any younger. SJ acts like he's finally getting the message. SVG just wants him to play the right way.

Watch Van Gundy build up the team, finally step down and pick a replacement. Then after a shaky start he fires the coach (let's say its Riley's kid or Spoelstra, just for sh*ts and giggles), and then names himself the interim head coach. SVG leads the team to a championship and finally gets revenge on Miami.

[hoophabit]

SVG is doing what a coach is supposed to do. He's also the head of Pistons basketball. Wouldn't surprise me if he doesn't look to employ a coach in a few years. He isn't getting any younger. SJ acts like he's finally getting the message. SVG just wants him to play the right way.

Watch Van Gundy build up the team, finally step down and pick a replacement. Then after a shaky start he fires the coach (let's say its Riley's kid or Spoelstra, just for sh*ts and giggles), and then names himself the interim head coach. SVG leads the team to a championship and finally gets revenge on Miami.

[JohnReese]

I still see Kuester in my nightmares. Don't complain about Stan, he is the **** boss.

[Pharaoh]

As the boss SVG needs to hold his best players to the highest standard - if they take coaching and want coaching everyone else will fall in line.

Look at Pop & Timmy Duncan: Pop would drill him hard & he'd take it then Manu then Parker

They LOVE Pop!

SVG drills Dre & SJ so much for their own good! If they wanna be all they can be then they gotta take it and respond.

SVG doesn't drill Baynes or Hilly the same way cause no matter what they do they'll never be All NBA players - they require a different approach.

Every single player/person requires a different approach actually

Some people need to re listen to the JJ/SVG podcast methinks

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[whitehops]

Critical sure, but they don't walk around constantly waiving their hands while sulking.

have you seen popovich on the sideline? he hasn't smiled in years.

but that's also a reason the spurs draft by character as much as talent, they don't want players that are immature or selfish. those types of players usually don't get too far in the league. guys like pop and SVG care a ton about their players, but when they are on the court they sure expect the players to do their jobs and they'll let them know when they're not doing it.


you can look at other sports too. i don't know too much about NHL or MLB but know a bit about the NFL and a lot of the best coaches (belichick, zimmer, the harbaughs, tomlin, etc.) are known as the detail-oriented, critical types. part of what makes these coaches so successful is that they have players that can handle adversity (like when a coach criticizes them) and work to improve instead of sulking or whatever.

[Pharaoh]

Any player/person that can't handle constructive criticism needs a bullet!

There's only so much you can learn or develop on your own...even Jordan didn't win **** without Phil Jackson!

SVG is employed to coach these guys & they're paid to listen & follow through.

Sometimes you gotta be a hard ass, sometimes you be a "parent", sometimes a "friend"...but it's all gotta be genuine otherwise people see through your ****!

That's why coaches fail - they don't deal with players on a genuine level

We all know how much SVG cares for his players & they know it too!

Sometimes after he's hard on them they'll pout but it doesn't take long for them to move past that because they know it comes from a good place!

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[whitehops]

also with SVG handling the whole SJ situation, i think he's handled it fine. he's tried to instill good habits in SJ from day 1. i don't have a link but i remember SJ saying during a summer league interview in his rookie year (by the broadcasters) that SVG wanted him to be the first guy in the building and the last to leave. SVG wanted this so SJ could develop professional habits early in his career. we don't know if SJ followed his advice but SVG clearly wants to develop a young player.

this past summer he urged SJ to not compete in any summer leagues, because when you compete you play to your strengths and when you train you are working on your weaknesses. SJ went ahead and played in the drew league, taking away time from when he could have been working on his weaknesses.

here's a quote from SVG regarding his treatment towards SJ:

"Stan has to become a much better worker and learner... He just does. He's a great competitor -- if you put him on the floor, he's going to work really, really hard. But he's got to get better at all the stuff that leads up to going onto the court"... Van Gundy specifically pointed to practice and off-days, where Johnson, now 20, sometimes puts in less than 100 percent effort compared to his fellow bench counterparts.

"He's got to be a better practice guy," Van Gundy said. "He's got to be a better workout guy. He's got to be better with all that stuff. Really working to get better. Once he's out there competing, you don't have a problem with that. He'll play as hard as anybody, but he's got to understand that's not the whole thing. It's preparing to play."

SVG has also empathized with young players saying that they are so used to being stars that they have goals of being stars right away and they struggle with accepting a role early on. that said, it's fairly clear that SJ is not quote embracing what SVG has said so far...

[Pharaoh]

also with SVG handling the whole SJ situation, i think he's handled it fine. he's tried to instill good habits in SJ from day 1. i don't have a link but i remember SJ saying during a summer league interview in his rookie year (by the broadcasters) that SVG wanted him to be the first guy in the building and the last to leave. SVG wanted this so SJ could develop professional habits early in his career. we don't know if SJ followed his advice but SVG clearly wants to develop a young player.

this past summer he urged SJ to not compete in any summer leagues, because when you compete you play to your strengths and when you train you are working on your weaknesses. SJ went ahead and played in the drew league, taking away time from when he could have been working on his weaknesses.

here's a quote from SVG regarding his treatment towards SJ:

"Stan has to become a much better worker and learner... He just does. He's a great competitor -- if you put him on the floor, he's going to work really, really hard. But he's got to get better at all the stuff that leads up to going onto the court"... Van Gundy specifically pointed to practice and off-days, where Johnson, now 20, sometimes puts in less than 100 percent effort compared to his fellow bench counterparts.

"He's got to be a better practice guy," Van Gundy said. "He's got to be a better workout guy. He's got to be better with all that stuff. Really working to get better. Once he's out there competing, you don't have a problem with that. He'll play as hard as anybody, but he's got to understand that's not the whole thing. It's preparing to play."

SVG has also empathized with young players saying that they are so used to being stars that they have goals of being stars right away and they struggle with accepting a role early on. that said, it's fairly clear that SJ is not quote embracing what SVG has said so far...

Might be a situation where SJ has not yet made the connection between practice and games.

SVG points out that if you put him on the floor during a game he's gonna bring it...but he doesn't have that mentality in practice or on days off

What SVG is trying to teach SJ is that in order to be the best you gotta bring your intensity every day

Ain't nothing wrong with teaching SJ that - it'll pay off eventually

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[DeKroit]

I can't believe people actually have the audacity to question and "hate" Stan as our coach. Stan must've done an amazing job with this team if his coaching alone made people so spoiled that they forgot about Michael Curry, John Kuester, Lawrence Frank, and Maurice Cheeks. Sure Stan has his flaws as does every freakin' coach on this league. But Stan is still a top-notch coach who I believe is up there with the likes of Pops, Carlisle, Brad Stevens, etc. I swear, some of our unreasonable Pistons fans are the reason why I don't like going on this board sometimes. Let's look at our situation with some legit perspective please. It's not Stan's fault that our "leaders" are mental midgets. There's only so much he can do for Andre and Reggie. He's not there to babysit them. He's there to do his job and his players play under him. If you don't like that Stan is actually doing his job to try and bring a championship to our city then start a freakin' petition and ask for Michael Curry to be our HC again. You know, so we can have another coach to baby our players and coach this team to the trash bin.

[vic]

I have no problem with Stan being harsh. My problem is be consistent, be the same way with all your players.
Also, don't preach defense and then pay offense. Stan preaches defense but then cuts paychecks for the offensive minded players. People respond more to what you do what you say. Guys know what's important to Stan, it's not necessarily what he says it is.

[Warspite]

There were threads like this on the Magic board during the Magic's season they went to the finals.

Problem is that some fans expect a coach to act how they think a coach should act. Shaq was critical of everyone and was a big baby himself. Outside of that Dwight situation in Orlando, no player looks back critically on Stan including Dwight now. That says more than some fan watching a game feeling bad for a player who is getting scolded for making mistakes. Maybe, people should start watching Lifetime instead of pro sports, lol.

This board always attacks the coach. If Phill Jackson or Red Auerbach or Pat Riley were the Pistons coach there would be a "Fire the Caoch" thread on this board every season.


No matter how the players play it is never there fault and no matter how good the coach is it is always his fault.