lilfishi22 wrote:DarkHawk wrote:I still am looking at the big picture. Taking into account that it will take a perfectly built team to topple the Cavs or Warriors, is it worth trying to put a competitive team together now when there will be nearly no chance to find the right combination of players to be elite again anytime soon? I want what we had during the Nash era. I don't see Valencuinas moving the needle. It should probably also be a concern if Toronto would be willing to give up on their supposed prized big man for Tucker and Chandler and what would likely be a late lottery pick.
I'm still on the train of drafting high and hope to land a superstar. I don't care about the playoffs. There are 2 things to be excited about as an NBA fan.
- Your team is elite and a legit title contender
or
- Your team is bad and you can watch the young players grow so there's at least hope.
I don't want to be in between anymore.
The Warriors, Cavs, and OKC were bad until they finally nailed the draft. Minny and Philly were bad (still bad but...) until they had good drafts/trades that gave them possible game changing stars. That's just how this league works and is what we need.
I will happily take 10 more losing seasons if it means we find our cornerstone. I know management won't be that patient but it's more exciting than the treadmill.
I would rather keep Chandler to help influence the locker room than trade for a guy who, at best, may just help us reach the playoffs.
That being said, given McD is fighting for his job, I wouldn't be shocked to see this type of trade this season.
But the reason why we're winning games right now is because guys like Chandler is playing great D and grabbing 20-something rebounds every 2nd game. We have a guy like PJ shutting down AD and Melo. These are the guys contributing to wins. If you want a youth focused path, then might I remind you, we're trading Chandler(34) and Tucker(31) for JV(24). Does the maths there not compute for you?
We're trading two old vets for a young C who's less than a year older than Len.
YOUTHIf you want to tank then trade the two guys who's contributing to wins! You also get the opportunity to watch a young guy (JV) play and grow.
Do you see Jonas as a guy who will become an elite center? Adding him would likely eliminate re-signing Len since we're not going to pay 15-20+ mil, per year, for a backup. Our C depth now would take a hit.
Is he a good defender or can he turn it on and become a great defensive center in the next few years?
If I were going to trade Chandler for a prospect, I'd rather get one that gives similar production like Noel. He can defend, can't score (we've got enough of that), and is young.
If Toronto was willing to trade JV, then they don't believe he's going to improve.
Just because he's young doesn't make it the right move IMO.
I'll still take Chandler's vet presence over a guy who, while young, is likely close to peaking if he hasn't already.
My belief is, if we traded for Valencuinas, it would do a couple of things.
1. Our offensive flow would be better because now we have a scoring big.
2. Our defense would be much worse, forcing us to find a defensive big man (Maybe a max offer to Noel as that's what it'd take to have any chance of Philly not matching)
So we'd be switching our need from a scoring big man to a defensive big man. I guess from an asset perspective, it would be better to have the younger player, but I would worry how it'd affect our chemistry and development if we are back to where we were 2 years ago with a bunch of kids and nobody to guide them. Dudley helps but Barbosa won't be here long (I'd be surprised if we don't trade him at the deadline.)
