Season Speculation, Trade Ideas and Discussion

[DaleyBlind]

Whiteside is not a game changer though. He would provide similar impact as Chandler and Len.

What the Suns need from a big man is to be a go to guy when the outside shot or perimeter offense is cold. A big man who would take advantage of single coverage and score 20 a night when defended lightly.

Im not saying I would it, its just an interesting offer. Im really curious to see Heat fan thoughts on it.

[thamadkant]

Chandler's value is highly dependent on the team.

Spurs, Warriors, Cavs would absolutely love his defense and rebounding for the playoffs.

Raptors have JV who is way younger and has a better offensive game, so their fans see Chandler as a downgrade in many aspects outside of rebounding.

Val plays zero defense, thats why their fans are trying to pawn him off to someone....a center who doesn't play defense is ass.
Val only scores 4.5 points per game more than Chandler as well...His offense is hardly spectacular

His only more valuable because of his age versus Chandlers age

JV isnt that bad defensively... He aint Bogut. But he is putting up 13 and 8, those are nice numbers. Chandler's age and injury risks does hurt his value.

But back to JV, I think his defense is mediocre, but there are only a handful of good defensive centers in the NBA these days.

[Fo-Real]

I just want to re-iterate what Chuck said.

I know i said something about the Trade Board last night that wasnt necessarily correct. It was partially said in jest. The Trade Board is the best place to go to get better info about you trade ideas from other teams, and many of the posters there can be very welcoming and warm and helpful. I apologize if i gave anyone the wrong idea.

And as i have already pointed out to quite a few of you, if you do have any issues with things said or happening on the Trade Board, contact one of their Mods, as they are better equipped to deal with the situation. Texas Chuck is the man and will be more than willing to help you out.

I agree with your first statement, I'm betting one of them had a problem with it which is why you just posted this.

[Fo-Real]

Want no part of Val, big slow, plodding, gets fatter in the body every year (it ain't muscle) but his legs stay the same, feet look too big and heavy for his body when he is running. Looks like the time nate robinson did sprints in shaqs shoes during practice when the played together in Boston.

[nbafan341]

Want no part of Val, big slow, plodding, gets fatter in the body every year (it ain't muscle) but his legs stay the same, feet look too big and heavy for his body when he is running. Looks like the time nate robinson did sprints in shaqs shoes during practice when the played together in Boston.

What if jv scores 16pts and 12 rebs? Hes also under a very reasonable contract of 14.5mil, 3 yrs remaining? I dont blame you, his defence is making it hard to value him even after his playoff run where he singlehandedly saved the raptors. would phoneix not be willing to trade pj tucker chandler and a future lotto protected first round pick for jv?

[TeamTragic]

Want no part of Val, big slow, plodding, gets fatter in the body every year (it ain't muscle) but his legs stay the same, feet look too big and heavy for his body when he is running. Looks like the time nate robinson did sprints in shaqs shoes during practice when the played together in Boston.

What if jv scores 16pts and 12 rebs? Hes also under a very reasonable contract of 14.5mil, 3 yrs remaining? I dont blame you, his defence is making it hard to value him even after his playoff run where he singlehandedly saved the raptors. would phoneix not be willing to trade pj tucker chandler and a future lotto protected first round pick for jv?

I think we would keep Chandler. No offense to your team but isn't Val basically the same as if we had Gortat? We traded him pretty quickly when he became the softest player in the league (i.e. zero defense).

[Kerrsed]

Want no part of Val, big slow, plodding, gets fatter in the body every year (it ain't muscle) but his legs stay the same, feet look too big and heavy for his body when he is running. Looks like the time nate robinson did sprints in shaqs shoes during practice when the played together in Boston.

What if jv scores 16pts and 12 rebs? Hes also under a very reasonable contract of 14.5mil, 3 yrs remaining? I dont blame you, his defence is making it hard to value him even after his playoff run where he singlehandedly saved the raptors. would phoneix not be willing to trade pj tucker chandler and a future lotto protected first round pick for jv?

I highly doubt we would do anything like that.

16 points....18 points.....it really doesnt matter when your defense is soooo bad that you are giving up those same points that you are scoring. I just dont see a deal with Toronto coming to fruition. I see some posters trying to jack up his perceived value, yet there are soooooo many that just want to get him the hell out of Toronto, and that reasoning is the same reasoning that causes posters from other teams to pass oh him.

The 2 things i care most about coming from my C is Defense and Rebounding. Defense always comes 1st. If there is no defense, then the rebounding really doesnt matter to me. If all we cared about was points and rebounds, instead of trading assets for Val, we could go after Okafor or even Monroe. In my eyes, they are the same kind of player as Val, just younger and/or would take considerably less assets to attain than what some Toronto fans are expecting for Val. I mean you guys might be able to get a return for him around what you are asking, but i dont see anyway that its coming from the Suns.

[nbafan341]

Want no part of Val, big slow, plodding, gets fatter in the body every year (it ain't muscle) but his legs stay the same, feet look too big and heavy for his body when he is running. Looks like the time nate robinson did sprints in shaqs shoes during practice when the played together in Boston.

What if jv scores 16pts and 12 rebs? Hes also under a very reasonable contract of 14.5mil, 3 yrs remaining? I dont blame you, his defence is making it hard to value him even after his playoff run where he singlehandedly saved the raptors. would phoneix not be willing to trade pj tucker chandler and a future lotto protected first round pick for jv?

Tough call. Do we think that Val will play better than Len on this team? He would definitely be a cheaper option.

Jonas would def play well onnyour team. He gets 13/10 whilen being the last option on offence and doesnt even play 28 min. I cant say his defence will be appreciated. His defence wasnt this bad, but jv gets scapegoated by reptor fans like me because our perimeter players are also notngood defenders and it makes jv look worse. I think JV could work well next to players who play d like bender and tyler ulis.

[nbafan341]

Want no part of Val, big slow, plodding, gets fatter in the body every year (it ain't muscle) but his legs stay the same, feet look too big and heavy for his body when he is running. Looks like the time nate robinson did sprints in shaqs shoes during practice when the played together in Boston.

What if jv scores 16pts and 12 rebs? Hes also under a very reasonable contract of 14.5mil, 3 yrs remaining? I dont blame you, his defence is making it hard to value him even after his playoff run where he singlehandedly saved the raptors. would phoneix not be willing to trade pj tucker chandler and a future lotto protected first round pick for jv?

I highly doubt we would do anything like that.

16 points....18 points.....it really doesnt matter when your defense is soooo bad that you are giving up those same points that you are scoring. I just dont see a deal with Toronto coming to fruition. I see some posters trying to jack up his perceived value, yet there are soooooo many that just want to get him the hell out of Toronto, and that reasoning is the same reasoning that causes posters from other teams to pass oh him.

The 2 things i care most about coming from my C is Defense and Rebounding. Defense always comes 1st. If there is no defense, then the rebounding really doesnt matter to me. If all we cared about was points and rebounds, instead of trading assets for Val, we could go after Okafor or even Monroe. In my eyes, they are the same kind of player as Val, just younger and/or would take considerably less assets to attain than what some Toronto fans are expecting for Val. I mean you guys might be able to get a return for him around what you are asking, but i dont see anyway that its coming from the Suns.

Same here im okd fashioned and Rather have a defensice anchor than an offensive center who cant defend on an elite level. okafor is a bad rebounder and monroe is inefficnet. The good thing about valancuinas is that hell score on efficiency. I thinknwith complimentsry players who play better defence on the perimeter, jonas can work well for the suns. Hes eventually going to space the floor better with 3pt shooting as well.
The suns could alsontry and max out noel on an offer sheet but I thinknif you can trade chandker and pj and actually get any high potentialnyoung player, it's a steal. Even If vals not to the suns likking his numbers will be much higher and cann be used to trade up in the draft if need be.

[nbafan341]

Want no part of Val, big slow, plodding, gets fatter in the body every year (it ain't muscle) but his legs stay the same, feet look too big and heavy for his body when he is running. Looks like the time nate robinson did sprints in shaqs shoes during practice when the played together in Boston.

What if jv scores 16pts and 12 rebs? Hes also under a very reasonable contract of 14.5mil, 3 yrs remaining? I dont blame you, his defence is making it hard to value him even after his playoff run where he singlehandedly saved the raptors. would phoneix not be willing to trade pj tucker chandler and a future lotto protected first round pick for jv?

I think we would keep Chandler. No offense to your team but isn't Val basically the same as if we had Gortat? We traded him pretty quickly when he became the softest player in the league (i.e. zero defense).

Probably not as jv has more offensive skills theough his jump shot post moves and is an elite offensive rebounder on better efficiency than gortat. Jonas defence will irk you doe so there is that of a catch.

[Kerrsed]

Its crazy, Suns fans didnt want Monroe due to his defense, even though he can score and rebound like most decent bigs, pass the ball extremely well for a C, and rack up a decent amount of steals. But when i plugged him in to compare his numbers against JV, i was astonished at how much better of a defender he is over JV.



Hell, Monroe's defensive rating is higher than Len's as well despite Len dominating the Blocks Category.

[nbafan341]

Its crazy, Suns fans didnt want Monroe due to his defense, even though he can score and rebound like most decent bigs, pass the ball extremely well for a C, and rack up a decent amount of steals. But when i plugged him in to compare his numbers against JV, i was astonished at how much better of a defender he is over JV.



Hell, Monroe's defensive rating is higher than Len's as well despite Len dominating the Blocks Category.

Monroe doesnt play much with the starters and valancuinas plays in the starting linup and gets blames a bit more often. Hes still not a good defender but hes probably bettwr than monroe, what do pst yrs numbers tell you? How is len guarding in thr pick and role? Right now jonas struggfles with that.

[bwgood77]

What if jv scores 16pts and 12 rebs? Hes also under a very reasonable contract of 14.5mil, 3 yrs remaining? I dont blame you, his defence is making it hard to value him even after his playoff run where he singlehandedly saved the raptors. would phoneix not be willing to trade pj tucker chandler and a future lotto protected first round pick for jv?

Tough call. Do we think that Val will play better than Len on this team? He would definitely be a cheaper option.

Jonas would def play well onnyour team. He gets 13/10 whilen being the last option on offence and doesnt even play 28 min. I cant say his defence will be appreciated. His defence wasnt this bad, but jv gets scapegoated by reptor fans like me because our perimeter players are also notngood defenders and it makes jv look worse. I think JV could work well next to players who play d like bender and tyler ulis.

So are you saying if you were a Suns fan you would trade for Jonas and want him on your team?

[nbafan341]

Tough call. Do we think that Val will play better than Len on this team? He would definitely be a cheaper option.

Jonas would def play well onnyour team. He gets 13/10 whilen being the last option on offence and doesnt even play 28 min. I cant say his defence will be appreciated. His defence wasnt this bad, but jv gets scapegoated by reptor fans like me because our perimeter players are also notngood defenders and it makes jv look worse. I think JV could work well next to players who play d like bender and tyler ulis.

So are you saying if you were a Suns fan you would trade for Jonas and want him on your team?

Woops I really hope my trade wasnt delusional cus I definitely put myself in the suns shoes. I would still make that trade despite jonas bad defence unless there are no other better offers available for chandler/pj. also, it just seems like alex len has been a major disappointment for most of his career and id be estatic if he could become the player jonas is even tho jonas is a mediocore defender. if len was an elite defensive player who struggles on offence Id be a bit less expectant of his numbers being higher than 10/8. I would think that despite jonas's bad D, suns should tank and rebuild while developing young talent. Jonas can at least give offence and his contract will be super cheap relative to every new young player comming off a rookie contract demanding a max. Id not wanna give up a top 8 protected lotto pick if I were the suns, but if you give up even a 12th pick it may not be bad because jonas will still have his offensive numbers, good contract and act as a trade piece if thingns do not get better. Jonas is still an efficient scorer and elite offensive rebounder and its worth a shot. that being said, im not tryna sell jonas to yall, im trying to see if what i see is also what other fans see as well. i hope phones gets the best package for chandler and pj especislly if it means trading a pick and I hope that player can at least be better than jv with defence

[Zelaznyrules]

Its crazy, Suns fans didnt want Monroe due to his defense, even though he can score and rebound like most decent bigs, pass the ball extremely well for a C, and rack up a decent amount of steals. But when i plugged him in to compare his numbers against JV, i was astonished at how much better of a defender he is over JV.

I didn't want him mostly because of his offense. The last time I paid attention to his scoring stats, they were not very encouraging. He had no range and pretty much just had one spot on the floor where he was efficient from. And in crunch time it was pretty simple to deny him that spot. His defense when he played the 5 wasn't good but it wasn't horrible, his D only dropped to horrible when he was playing the 4. But I haven't given him another thought since he landed in Kiddsville so maybe things have changed.

[Fo-Real]

Its crazy, Suns fans didnt want Monroe due to his defense, even though he can score and rebound like most decent bigs, pass the ball extremely well for a C, and rack up a decent amount of steals. But when i plugged him in to compare his numbers against JV, i was astonished at how much better of a defender he is over JV.



Hell, Monroe's defensive rating is higher than Len's as well despite Len dominating the Blocks Category.

I prefer Monroe over JV, younger, more mobile.

[Zelaznyrules]

Its crazy, Suns fans didnt want Monroe due to his defense, even though he can score and rebound like most decent bigs, pass the ball extremely well for a C, and rack up a decent amount of steals. But when i plugged him in to compare his numbers against JV, i was astonished at how much better of a defender he is over JV.



Hell, Monroe's defensive rating is higher than Len's as well despite Len dominating the Blocks Category.

I prefer Monroe over JV, younger, more mobile.

I'd jump at the chance to trade Knight for Monroe but I don't think I'd prefer him to Len.

[Kerrsed]

Its crazy, Suns fans didnt want Monroe due to his defense, even though he can score and rebound like most decent bigs, pass the ball extremely well for a C, and rack up a decent amount of steals. But when i plugged him in to compare his numbers against JV, i was astonished at how much better of a defender he is over JV.



Hell, Monroe's defensive rating is higher than Len's as well despite Len dominating the Blocks Category.

I prefer Monroe over JV, younger, more mobile.

Monroe is actually older by 2 years.

[TeamTragic]

I think I would prefer Monroe over both Val and Len. I would agree that all three are comparable which means it would come down to the contract.

[Fo-Real]

Its crazy, Suns fans didnt want Monroe due to his defense, even though he can score and rebound like most decent bigs, pass the ball extremely well for a C, and rack up a decent amount of steals. But when i plugged him in to compare his numbers against JV, i was astonished at how much better of a defender he is over JV.



Hell, Monroe's defensive rating is higher than Len's as well despite Len dominating the Blocks Category.

I prefer Monroe over JV, younger, more mobile.

Monroe is actually older by 2 years.

And has more talent.