Season Speculation, Trade Ideas and Discussion

[bwgood77]

Paul Coro quit his job or something? He hasn't written anything about the last two games and removed the info about him on Twitter.

That's kind of odd. If it was just missing games I'd say he is on vacation. But removing the info sounds like something may have happened.

[Saberestar]

Paul Coro quit his job or something? He hasn't written anything about the last two games and removed the info about him on Twitter.

Yeah, he probably is not working for azcentral anymore.

[Saberestar]

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Come on McDonough, Knight for Noel and call it a day.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

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Come on McDonough, Knight for Noel and call it a day.

There would have to be a third team. I can't see Noel landing here. Send Noel to Portland and give me Evan Turner.

The great thing about all three of these players is that they have no value to the team going out, but all three could in theory do better with a fresh start.

[lilfishi22]

Do you see Jonas as a guy who will become an elite center? Adding him would likely eliminate re-signing Len since we're not going to pay 15-20+ mil, per year, for a backup. Our C depth now would take a hit.

Is he a good defender or can he turn it on and become a great defensive center in the next few years?
If I were going to trade Chandler for a prospect, I'd rather get one that gives similar production like Noel. He can defend, can't score (we've got enough of that), and is young.
If Toronto was willing to trade JV, then they don't believe he's going to improve.

I see JV as potentially being a productive offensive C with capable defense. I'll also freely admit he may never be an elite C but I don't feel like Len would be elite either. He's a capable defender but he's a little slow which hurts him in the PnR and he likely will never be an elite defensive C. Len is a better defender on the PnR than JV for sure. But similarly, do you see Len as a great offensive C in the next few years? Highly, highly doubt it.

My issue with trading Chandler for a guy like Noel, is that he essentially does the same thing as Len. Can defend, can't score and is young. I don't see the point of that. If we're trading Chandler, I'd rather have a C who's good on offense, still young and also a capable defender. He gives us the big man that can score at a high percentage.

Also just because Raptors want to trade him doesn't mean he's a bad player or isn't going to improve either. Raptors are a contending team or they want to be and JV may not be ready to be their C during their run, which is now. And that's not necessarily a knock on JV. JV is still only 25, likely hasn't hit his prime yet and right now Raptor might be looking for a guy with playoff/championship experience. If you're a legit contending team, do you want Chandler on your team who has experience or do you want an inconsistent and inexperienced C like Len or JV? JV's developmental timeline may match up with ours better than the Raptors.

In my opinion, I'm OK with eliminating having to resign Len and I have grown to like Len's production when he is ....productive. For me, it all depends on what kind of deal Len is likely to get. I'd rather Len at $10-12m over JV at $16m but I'd rather JV at 16m over Len at $15-20m.

Just because he's young doesn't make it the right move IMO.
I'll still take Chandler's vet presence over a guy who, while young, is likely close to peaking if he hasn't already.

My belief is, if we traded for Valencuinas, it would do a couple of things.

1. Our offensive flow would be better because now we have a scoring big.
2. Our defense would be much worse, forcing us to find a defensive big man (Maybe a max offer to Noel as that's what it'd take to have any chance of Philly not matching)

So we'd be switching our need from a scoring big man to a defensive big man. I guess from an asset perspective, it would be better to have the younger player, but I would worry how it'd affect our chemistry and development if we are back to where we were 2 years ago with a bunch of kids and nobody to guide them. Dudley helps but Barbosa won't be here long (I'd be surprised if we don't trade him at the deadline.)

I don't think he's close to peaking yet but that's a matter of opinion.

Also my opinion but I think Bender has potential to be a better defender than he is as a scorer (not saying he's going to be crap offensively either). I think Bender is exactly the type of big that can cover JV on the PnR and weakside defense. So for me, I think a future front line of Bender/JV is more versatile and provides a better balance offensively/defensively over Bender/Len or Noel.

Chandler shouldn't really play any part in our future plans. I recognise his contribution on and off the court for us but like LB, I don't think he's here for the long term. He's a C with championship experience who is still a solid defender and elite rebounder; he's ripe for a trade.

[Kerrsed]

I do have a phone number for Coro, if someone wants to call and find out more.....

[lilfishi22]

Len becomming Deandre Jordan/Bogut V2.0 is what I want him to be. Offensively... Its not going to work out... Not with the Suns staff. Suns lack post scoring mentors.

12-13 million a year tops...



Again...i mentioned it earlier. Suns are slowly but surely treadmilling whilst using up cap space if they dont trade and sign Len and Warren to big deals. Suns will have Chandler, Bledsoe, Knight, Warren and Len all earning 13 million plus... Then if McD decides to be ridiculous and sign Ticker to 9-10 million a year... Then you have a 30 win team with maxed out space for a few seasons. Terrible situation.

This is what I'm afraid of. Chandler's salary will easily be replaced at least twice over with Warren and Len coming up for extensions by the time Chandler's deal come off the books.

[TASTIC]

I don't want JV at all.

Dude just hasn't improved since his rookie year and his shot-blocking has regressed if anything.

There's trades to be done out there for sure - so many available players.

Here's my lunch-time rosterbation session (these all work in the Trade Machine):

Knight + Len + 2nd rd pick to the Nets for RHJ + McCullough.

They get some more guard help and Knight/Lin might be a solid combo. Len makes Lopez expendable or play him next to Brook if they want a twin tower look - it could work for stretches with Lopez now able to hit 3s. I do not want to pay Len $80m over 5yrs. We get some more youth and two great athletes who fit in at multiple positions. McCullough has some real potential but can't seem to crack the rotation.

Tucker + Barbosa + NPowell to LAC
Redick to TOR
Sullinger + AAnderson to PHX (waive)

Let Sully play if he's healthy, if not he's a $5.6m expiring. Waive AA and let him catch on with a contender.

LAC moves on from Redick so they don't have to pay him big bucks and they get some much needed depth. Tucker is a perfect fit at SF and Powell would fit right into the starting SG spot as a 3 and D guy. TOR shifts DeRozan to SF and Redick does what he does next to his pal Lowry - helping to spread the floor etc. Suns clear out two vets who are really just stopping Warren/Bender/Chriss/Ulis from playing bigger minutes.

Last trade, with an eye on youth and cleaning house - leaving Dudley as the last real vet and good locker-room guy.

Chandler + ETurner to MIL
Monroe to POR
Henson + Vonleh to PHX

Henson's not flash but he's a good shot-blocker and he's young enough to be part of a core long-term. Chandler + Turner give MIL some really nice depth, Chandler would walk right into starting C and Turner runs the second unit. Monroe is a conundrum, he's obviously a good offensive player but couldn't guard a fridge. Pairing him with Plumlee who isn't a shot-blocker doesn't help too much either. I just didn't want Monroe coming here!

So after the dust settles we're looking at (for the rest of the year):

Henson / AWilliams
Chriss / Bender / Dudley
Warren / RHJ / Bender / Jones Jr
Booker / Jenkins
Bledsoe / Ulis

Play the young guys. Get a high draft pick.

This team is not making the playoffs no matter how much Sarver is gagging for it.

Leaves us with a ridiculous amount of cap-space, all our picks and some nice young players on easy to move deals. We get to see Bledsoe and Booker play 35min each together, alongside Warren.

Dudley is kept if only because he's a coach on the floor who I think the front office really likes to stick around and transition into either coaching or front office work.

Flame away!

[OGBAH]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=hxyugqd

Boston Len
Philly Knight
Minny Noel
PHX Smart Shabazz Dieng

[kennydorglas]

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Come on McDonough, Knight for Noel and call it a day.

There would have to be a third team. I can't see Noel landing here. Send Noel to Portland and give me Evan Turner.

The great thing about all three of these players is that they have no value to the team going out, but all three could in theory do better with a fresh start.

Turner's contract is probably the most untradeable deal in the NBA.
I know Knight sucks but if this is the best we can get for him, just let him commanding our tank.

[lilfishi22]

Come on McDonough, Knight for Noel and call it a day.

There would have to be a third team. I can't see Noel landing here. Send Noel to Portland and give me Evan Turner.

The great thing about all three of these players is that they have no value to the team going out, but all three could in theory do better with a fresh start.

Turner's contract is probably the most untradeable deal in the NBA.
I know Knight sucks but if this is the best we can get for him, just let him commanding our tank.

Yeah I really can't fathom the deal he got. I'd rather keep Knight at $14m than Evan Turner at $17.5m

[RunDogGun]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=hxyugqd

Boston Len
Philly Knight
Minny Noel
PHX Smart Shabazz Dieng

I kind of like it.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=hxyugqd

Boston Len
Philly Knight
Minny Noel
PHX Smart Shabazz Dieng

I kind of like it.

I kind of do too.

[TeamTragic]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=hxyugqd

Boston Len
Philly Knight
Minny Noel
PHX Smart Shabazz Dieng

I kind of like it.

I kind of do too.

Make that three. Not a bad trade.

[Saberestar]

I kind of like it.

I kind of do too.

Make that three. Not a bad trade.

Four and counting.

[kennydorglas]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=hxyugqd

Boston Len
Philly Knight
Minny Noel
PHX Smart Shabazz Dieng

Put this in the Trade board and let's see some insight.
I kinda like it but I guess some Minny fans might not.

[AtheJ415]

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Come on McDonough, Knight for Noel and call it a day.

There would have to be a third team. I can't see Noel landing here. Send Noel to Portland and give me Evan Turner.

The great thing about all three of these players is that they have no value to the team going out, but all three could in theory do better with a fresh start.

Hell no to all of that. Evan Turner? Why do our fans covet passers who pass because they cannot hit the broad side of a barn with a rocket launcher? He's not even young either. Noel is a much better gamble than Turner.

Either take a pick or a young player.

[DaleyBlind]

Evan Turner....WTF!?!?

[lilfishi22]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=hxyugqd

Boston Len
Philly Knight
Minny Noel
PHX Smart Shabazz Dieng

I love it. Been a fan of Dieng and I think Shabazz and Smart have potential and are moveable.

[RaisingArizona]

I'd do it. Don't want to be on the hook for overpaying Len.