2017 John Lynch hired as GM & Kyle Shanahan named HC

[wco81]

Though apparently they still go to games, including road games.

I mean I guess they have to go to games to show the players and staff they're behind them?

Can't be a pleasant experience, to deal with all that futility so closely.

[wartyOne]

Well if the PSL owners walk away and stop payments it will affect their bottom line. What? Are they going to send the fans to collections? LOL, that would be a nightmare. I think the fact that they are paying two coaches now tells me they care somewhat. And if they fire Chip they will be paying 3 coaches and that is a lot of money to eat for coaches not coaching.

The 9ers were 50 million under the cap this year. That's all of any leftover salary for Tomstupid, Kelly's current (entire) contract, and the first two or three years of the next moron's salary. And frankly, I don't give a **** how many pennies the Yorks have to lose to make up for their incompetenet business decisions. I want wins on the scoreboard. I don't care about wins in the Yorks' bank accounts.

Just so you know, coaches salaries do not have any impact on the salary cap. They do not count against it.

I'm not sure what your point is. Not trying to be a jerk, I'm just not sure what you're addressing.

[wartyOne]

I wonder if he gave the same praise to Bill O'Brien, Romeo Crennel, and Charlie Weis?

To write off Tomsula within a year was ridiculous. It's not like Chip Kelly attracted any sexy coordinator picks. I have no idea where you're going with this opinion of yours. Last year GEEP CHRYST had to work with no OL, no WRs, no RBs, and no QB. The fact that team managed a 5-11 (again, should have been 6-10) record with absolute trash of an offense was kind of noteworthy. Devey, Pears, Marcus Martin.

I know Tomsula isn't coaching anywhere at any level this year. Is anybody else from that coaching staff?

Yes, some are coaching on different teams.

Right. But Tomstupid, Chryst and Mangini are out of football for a reason.

[wartyOne]

Well, do you really think its fair to judge Chip on this season? Two back up QBs starting, the worst WR core in football, a defense that cant stop the run or rush the passer. The only positives of the skill positions are a good RB and a decent TE in Vance. Nothing else. I think he deserves one more season with his players. Lets see how he does with a good QB and some good WRs.

Yes. He's awful. But that isn't based on just this season ("The offensive plays fit on a notecard for Christ's sake!") which has demonstrated his inability to either coach or assemble a competent coaching staff. He failed miserably in Philadephia as well. He isn't an NFL coach. Never will be. Why waste another year? Frankly, I'd rather have Tomstupid back.

As for seasons with "HIS" players, that was an epic fail in Philly, and the top two picks of the last two drafts were his guys. Armstead is a bust, and Bucker has merely had a couple of okay games (I don't expect that trend to continue; we can't play the Jets and Bears 8 times each a season). I don't know how getting more of his players will fix anything.

I don't see anybody on this staff, coaching or front office, capable of finding or developing either a mediocre QB or a poor WR. I don't see Jed getting fired, and I don't see us realistically interviewing a legit GM candidate. Next year will still see Jed at the top with likely Gamble taking over for Baalke, which should easily be viewed as the worst case scenario from the fans' perspective. There's a reason why teams like the Browns suck so bad. We're now in that category. I don't expect this franchise to recover EVER under this ownership group. What it comes down to is they do not care about winning. They care about making money. They're succeeding in the latter. There is literally ZERO incentive for them to try to win.

How is Armstead his guy? He came from Oregon burt Kelly wasn't coach when Armstead was drafted.

Obviously he's his guy as he came from Oregon, not that Kelly drafted him as the coach of the 9ers.

[wartyOne]

Yes. He's awful. But that isn't based on just this season ("The offensive plays fit on a notecard for Christ's sake!") which has demonstrated his inability to either coach or assemble a competent coaching staff. He failed miserably in Philadephia as well. He isn't an NFL coach. Never will be. Why waste another year? Frankly, I'd rather have Tomstupid back.

As for seasons with "HIS" players, that was an epic fail in Philly, and the top two picks of the last two drafts were his guys. Armstead is a bust, and Bucker has merely had a couple of okay games (I don't expect that trend to continue; we can't play the Jets and Bears 8 times each a season). I don't know how getting more of his players will fix anything.

I don't see anybody on this staff, coaching or front office, capable of finding or developing either a mediocre QB or a poor WR. I don't see Jed getting fired, and I don't see us realistically interviewing a legit GM candidate. Next year will still see Jed at the top with likely Gamble taking over for Baalke, which should easily be viewed as the worst case scenario from the fans' perspective. There's a reason why teams like the Browns suck so bad. We're now in that category. I don't expect this franchise to recover EVER under this ownership group. What it comes down to is they do not care about winning. They care about making money. They're succeeding in the latter. There is literally ZERO incentive for them to try to win.

How is Armstead his guy? He came from Oregon burt Kelly wasn't coach when Armstead was drafted.

And Buckner is not a bust either, he has been improving every game and will be a stud.

I didn't call Buckner a bust. I don't believe he's going to be a stud. But there's a lot of grey area in between. I think he looks great against 3 win teams. I think he disappears against playoff teams. I think that can change if he has some help. Right now he doesn't. Even if he gets that help, I don't think he's going to live up to his draft status.

[wartyOne]

Poppa York just said baby York isn't losing his power. How about sharing it?

I don't trust Jed to make the big moves that he needs to make

Yep. John York called reports that the 49ers will make changes to improve in the offseason "completely false" SMH.

And.....


....BINGO.

Problem still not solved.

[wartyOne]

Though apparently they still go to games, including road games.

I mean I guess they have to go to games to show the players and staff they're behind them?

Can't be a pleasant experience, to deal with all that futility so closely.

They're too busy counting money to care about game days. If they're in the black, that family couldn't care less if they never win another game.

[49er4life1979]

How is Armstead his guy? He came from Oregon burt Kelly wasn't coach when Armstead was drafted.

And Buckner is not a bust either, he has been improving every game and will be a stud.

I didn't call Buckner a bust. I don't believe he's going to be a stud. But there's a lot of grey area in between. I think he looks great against 3 win teams. I think he disappears against playoff teams. I think that can change if he has some help. Right now he doesn't. Even if he gets that help, I don't think he's going to live up to his draft status.

Fair point. But definitely has a high ceiling. Put a quality run stopping NT next to him, along with a healthy Armstead on the other side and I bet we see a great player form.

[wco81]

They need ILBs too. If Bowman can't come back to form, they will need more than a NT.

[49er4life1979]

They need ILBs too. If Bowman can't come back to form, they will need more than a NT.

Yep. And maybe safeties too, despite high picks invested in Reid and Tartt lol. Reid I am pretty much done with, and Tartt I don't know. From what I have seen he's a liability in coverage. So maybe put him at SS in the box and move Ward to FS, his range for FS is much better than Reid's. The corners would be Redmond, Robinson, Brock, Reaser, Johnson, and whoever else. But yes definitely another ILB next to Bowman.

[zman1]

Though apparently they still go to games, including road games.

I mean I guess they have to go to games to show the players and staff they're behind them?

Can't be a pleasant experience, to deal with all that futility so closely.

They're too busy counting money to care about game days. If they're in the black, that family couldn't care less if they never win another game.

Such a sucky situation: these billionaires just run the football team into the ground and continue to make money and have no worries. Obviously in our economic system that is their right but it sure negatively impacts millions of fans. Its not like they are running some private say trucking company down, this is a team that a lot of fans have a strong emotional investment in. I would love to see the NFL itself get on their case. They are also impacting the quality of the league negatively to some degree.

Until Jed is out, and that looks like it won't be anytime soon, abandon all hope Niners fans.

[wco81]

Maybe a few more years of losing could cause Jed to look at himself in the mirror and realize he just doesn't have it.

Not likely, since he's probably been spoiled all his life.

But maybe he will grow bored and take up another hobby, be more wiling to let someone else run the football operations.

Humbled or bored, either could work, if he realizes how many losses have piled up under his tenure as CEO.

The Yorks may feel great about the money but the incessant losses and the hatred of the fans and media could chip away at the euphoria of laughing all the way to the bank.

Maybe?

[Pattersonca65]

I know Tomsula isn't coaching anywhere at any level this year. Is anybody else from that coaching staff?

Yes, some are coaching on different teams.

Right. But Tomstupid, Chryst and Mangini are out of football for a reason.

The coordinators specifically, yes. The team couldn't hire anybody better and Chryst played a prominent role on Harbaugh's staff.

[Pattersonca65]

Yes. He's awful. But that isn't based on just this season ("The offensive plays fit on a notecard for Christ's sake!") which has demonstrated his inability to either coach or assemble a competent coaching staff. He failed miserably in Philadephia as well. He isn't an NFL coach. Never will be. Why waste another year? Frankly, I'd rather have Tomstupid back.

As for seasons with "HIS" players, that was an epic fail in Philly, and the top two picks of the last two drafts were his guys. Armstead is a bust, and Bucker has merely had a couple of okay games (I don't expect that trend to continue; we can't play the Jets and Bears 8 times each a season). I don't know how getting more of his players will fix anything.

I don't see anybody on this staff, coaching or front office, capable of finding or developing either a mediocre QB or a poor WR. I don't see Jed getting fired, and I don't see us realistically interviewing a legit GM candidate. Next year will still see Jed at the top with likely Gamble taking over for Baalke, which should easily be viewed as the worst case scenario from the fans' perspective. There's a reason why teams like the Browns suck so bad. We're now in that category. I don't expect this franchise to recover EVER under this ownership group. What it comes down to is they do not care about winning. They care about making money. They're succeeding in the latter. There is literally ZERO incentive for them to try to win.

How is Armstead his guy? He came from Oregon burt Kelly wasn't coach when Armstead was drafted.

Obviously he's his guy as he came from Oregon, not that Kelly drafted him as the coach of the 9ers.

If that is true, than Harbaugh would have drafted Richard Sherman because he came from Stanford.

[Pattersonca65]

Maybe a few more years of losing could cause Jed to look at himself in the mirror and realize he just doesn't have it.

Not likely, since he's probably been spoiled all his life.

But maybe he will grow bored and take up another hobby, be more wiling to let someone else run the football operations.

Humbled or bored, either could work, if he realizes how many losses have piled up under his tenure as CEO.

The Yorks may feel great about the money but the incessant losses and the hatred of the fans and media could chip away at the euphoria of laughing all the way to the bank.

Maybe?

If they were not feeling any pressure and only cared about money, Tomsula would still be HC. They just don't know how to go about fixing this and just like Al Davis, they can't see their own part in creating this mess

[49er4life1979]

Maybe a few more years of losing could cause Jed to look at himself in the mirror and realize he just doesn't have it.

Not likely, since he's probably been spoiled all his life.

But maybe he will grow bored and take up another hobby, be more wiling to let someone else run the football operations.

Humbled or bored, either could work, if he realizes how many losses have piled up under his tenure as CEO.

The Yorks may feel great about the money but the incessant losses and the hatred of the fans and media could chip away at the euphoria of laughing all the way to the bank.

Maybe?

If they were not feeling any pressure and only cared about money, Tomsula would still be HC. They just don't know how to go about fixing this and just like Al Davis, they can't see their own part in creating this mess

I agree. They wouldn't be paying 2 coaches, 1 not to coach and quite possibly 3 coaches soon. Wanting to win and knowing how to are two different things. My prediction for the offseason: Baalke is fired, Gamble gets promoted and so Chip stays. But entering next season, Chip will be in the hottest seat in the NFL.

[clyde21]

Only thing that could be worse than Jed York running operations is his father and mother running it.

**** that family.

[wco81]

Well if he cared about winning, they would not have fired a winning HC in the first place. They've only won 6 games since firing Harbaugh.

I think they have to throw a bone or two to the SBL holders. They have them by the balls but if they get too blatant about it, more people could walk away.

If they raise season ticket prices for next season as some expect, they're going to have to give some hope to people who will pay higher prices which they won't be able to fully recoup on the secondary market.

[Pattersonca65]

Maybe a few more years of losing could cause Jed to look at himself in the mirror and realize he just doesn't have it.

Not likely, since he's probably been spoiled all his life.

But maybe he will grow bored and take up another hobby, be more wiling to let someone else run the football operations.

Humbled or bored, either could work, if he realizes how many losses have piled up under his tenure as CEO.

The Yorks may feel great about the money but the incessant losses and the hatred of the fans and media could chip away at the euphoria of laughing all the way to the bank.

Maybe?

If they were not feeling any pressure and only cared about money, Tomsula would still be HC. They just don't know how to go about fixing this and just like Al Davis, they can't see their own part in creating this mess

I agree. They wouldn't be paying 2 coaches, 1 not to coach and quite possibly 3 coaches soon. Wanting to win and knowing how to are two different things. My prediction for the offseason: Baalke is fired, Gamble gets promoted and so Chip stays. But entering next season, Chip will be in the hottest seat in the NFL.

That is the easiest route to take and is consistent with how they have dealt with openings in the past.

[CrimsonCrew]

http://www.knbr.com/2016/12/13/dilfer-last-three-49ers-coaching-staffs-have-failed-miserably/

The York/Baalke defense force starting to come out strong.

I mean c'mon Trent at least try to look like you're being objective here.

Who's behind the hiring of these 3 separate coaching staffs that have been the problem? And you're going to try to sell the idea that the team is talented and 3 completely separate coaching staffs have screwed it up?

And what former 49ers players have gone to other teams recently and been amazing? If guys were talented but not properly developed they would be doing better on other teams.

That's not to excuse the coaching but clearly York and Baalke are the bigger issues at the moment.

Hadn't seen that. That is offensive. So many holes in the logic there, the biggest one by far being that Baalke and York chose to boot Harbaugh in favor of Tomsula, and then chose to bring in Kelly.

"I think Chip came in and I don’t think any of them really knew what they were. And then he brings in a system offensively that highlights dynamic playmakers, and they don’t have any of those. They’ve got a lot of big guys there. It just hasn’t fit.”

So Baalke is doing a great job, but they don't have playmakers (isn't that Baalke's primary job?), and they brought in a coach who specializes in offense, but needs those playmakers they don't have, which is apparently the coach's fault.... Am I missing something here?

I am a diehard Niners fan. I bleed red and gold, as most of you know. But they way this team has been handled recently...they're in real danger of losing me.