Noel to <your team>

Asif16 · Post #41 » by **Asif16** » Mon Dec 19, 2016 4:11 am

Terrence Ross, Bebe, Wright, LAC or TOR first rd pick (whichever is better) and TOR 2nd rd pick

For

Noel, Covington

Post #42 » by **Foshan** » Mon Dec 19, 2016 4:17 am

DusterBuster wrote:
That said, I don't think we can legitimately say he's on the "upswing" of his career. I don't doubt he's talented, but Noel is not without his red flags with his injuries and attitude. Portland of all teams needs to be extra cautious about bigmen with knee problems.

Not sure that this is really fair. Noel has been practically a saint through what has been maybe 3 of the worst years in basketball history for a team. Everyone is kind of surprised nothing happened this summer, which is when he basically expressed the same thing... then in what was a total surprise, after a game of only playing 8 mins (with some incredibly bad line ups out there)-in the heat of the moment says its crap is not to shocking. And the next day he comes out and said he talked with coach and he will be a good soldier.

Post #43 » by **Foshan** » Mon Dec 19, 2016 4:19 am

WhatsaTDot wrote:I'd like to see him end up in Minnesota and re-signed. I dont think he'd have much impact this year but I like him in years moving forward.

so what does that look like from MIN? surely an offer better than shabazz?

Post #44 » by **Foshan** » Mon Dec 19, 2016 4:20 am

Asif16 wrote:Terrence Ross, Bebe, Wright, LAC or TOR first rd pick (whichever is better) and TOR 2nd rd pick

For

Noel, Covington

While I'm not a huge fan of Ross or moving RoCo, this seems to be the best value so far.

Coxy · Post #45 » by **Coxy** » Mon Dec 19, 2016 4:21 am

bigmean wrote:Cleveland gets Nerlens Noel

Philly gets Mo williams
Chris Anderson
rights to Cedi Osman, Ilkan Karaman, Milan Macvan

What actual value do Philly get here?

29 other teams could trump this offer quite easily.

wolves_89 · Post #46 » by **wolves_89** » Mon Dec 19, 2016 4:31 am

Foshan wrote:
WhatsaTDot wrote:I'd like to see him end up in Minnesota and re-signed. I dont think he'd have much impact this year but I like him in years moving forward.

so what does that look like from MIN? surely an offer better than shabazz?

I'm not sure that MIN and PHI match up very well as trade partners. The Wolves don't have a 1st to trade anytime soon and they definitely aren't moving LaVine, Wiggins, Towns, Dieng, or Dunn for Noel. I also don't see Rubio getting moved in the immediate future so that doesn't leave a lot of trade assets to make a deal.

bigmean · Post #47 » by **bigmean** » Mon Dec 19, 2016 4:41 am

bigmean wrote:
Cleveland gets Nerlens Noel

Philly gets Mo williams
Chris Anderson
rights to Cedi Osman, Ilkan Karaman, Milan Macvan

What actual value do Philly get here?

29 other teams could trump this offer quite easily.

Cedi Osman is actually terrific propsects, I also think that Macvan could play in the league.

the_bruce · Post #48 » by **the_bruce** » Mon Dec 19, 2016 4:42 am

Foshan wrote:
Saul Goodman wrote:Muhammaed/Tyus Jones/2nd

for

Noel

Would MIN do that? I'd rather update trades that are posted by fans of said team. Not that it really matters as this is still a pretty crappy offer compared to some others

As a wolves fan I'd do Bazz + Jones for a noel rental/try out, but to be honest I'd trade Dunn or Rubio for it too. Though I'm sure I'd be in the minority on all 3.

Mostly I'd like to see what Tyus could do with some actual playing time. It's not saying much, but he's outplayed Rubio and Dunn this year. His AST-TO ratio is always good and he makes smart plays. His game reminds me of Tony Parker. Not quite as athletic as young Parker, but a better shooter.

Post #49 » by **Texas Chuck** » Mon Dec 19, 2016 4:56 am

Just a note to say I'd be okay with trading for him as Dallas. And I know jayjaysee has been on board with it. Before we were this bad he was okay with trading our own first this year with fairly light protections for Noel. I think now we have to take our pick off the table.

Which is a problem, because our best offer becomes Justin Anderson, our high 2nd, and whatever we could get sending Bogut to a 3rd team(that would rather have him than Noel).

So the interest is there, but I don't think we have a very compelling offer. Sucks to have no assets.

TKainZero · Post #50 » by **TKainZero** » Mon Dec 19, 2016 4:59 am

Cordon Clarkson for Noel

It's simple
Fits like a glove

bigmean · Post #51 » by **bigmean** » Mon Dec 19, 2016 4:59 am

my choice is to Golden State Toronto and Philly

Toronto gets Robert Covington
Ian clark
Damien Jones

GS gets
Nerlens Noel
Fred Van Vleet

Philly gets
Kevon Looney
Norm Powell
Lucas Nogueria

Jojothewhale · Post #52 » by **Jojothewhale** » Mon Dec 19, 2016 5:05 am

I think Foshan evaluated the offers quite well. The Portland offer is the pretty clear winner to me as it's both the best pick and impacts the picks owed to the Sixers the least, while having the small added bonus of sending Noel to the West. I'm also fine with the NOLA deal for Holiday and Ajinca's leftovers.

Still zero interest in Clarkson, nor Rozier without the Memphis pick attached. Would infinitely rather have Knight than Clarkson in particular. I realize it's not a foregone conclusion Noel makes the Lakers pick that much worse, but he certainly has a non-zero chance to do so. I see it as the same argument of the Kings swap rights having value, even though it's more likely than not to not come to fruition. Jordan Clarkson absolutely is not good enough to ignore that possibility.

You'll also get a lot more favorable of a response from me and many Sixers fans if you don't try to attach Covington for nominal value.

WhatsaTDot · Post #53 » by **WhatsaTDot** » Mon Dec 19, 2016 5:06 am

bigmean wrote:my choice is to Golden State Toronto and Philly

Toronto gets Robert Covington
Ian clark
Damien Jones

GS gets
Nerlens Noel
Fred Van Vleet

Philly gets
Kevon Looney
Norm Powell
Lucas Nogueria

Yeah I don't see that happening. GS is just sucking value here.

DusterBuster · Post #54 » by **DusterBuster** » Mon Dec 19, 2016 5:12 am

Foshan wrote:
DusterBuster wrote:
That said, I don't think we can legitimately say he's on the "upswing" of his career. I don't doubt he's talented, but Noel is not without his red flags with his injuries and attitude. Portland of all teams needs to be extra cautious about bigmen with knee problems.

Not sure that this is really fair. Noel has been practically a saint through what has been maybe 3 of the worst years in basketball history for a team. Everyone is kind of surprised nothing happened this summer, which is when he basically expressed the same thing... then in what was a total surprise, after a game of only playing 8 mins (with some incredibly bad line ups out there)-in the heat of the moment says its crap is not to shocking. And the next day he comes out and said he talked with coach and he will be a good soldier.

His landlords certainly wouldn't consider him a saint.

I don't think he's a bad guy, but it's clear that he's a low-character guy who - when in a bad situation - can have attitude problems. I do think he can be revitalized in a good situation with strong leaders around him though.

Look, the guy has legitimate gripes about how his situation has been handled. Without a doubt. I get his frustrations, but he's also not really handling it like a professional by all reports, and that goes beyond is rant after the 8min game.

Asif16 · Post #55 » by **Asif16** » Mon Dec 19, 2016 5:13 am

Foshan wrote:
Asif16 wrote:Terrence Ross, Bebe, Wright, LAC or TOR first rd pick (whichever is better) and TOR 2nd rd pick

For

Noel, Covington

While I'm not a huge fan of Ross or moving RoCo, this seems to be the best value so far.

Talking with some other raps posters, they say we are giving up one too many picks. Would you still do it if its

Ross, Bebe, Wright, 2nd pick

for

Noel, Covington

shrink · Post #56 » by **shrink** » Mon Dec 19, 2016 5:14 am

Foshan wrote:
WhatsaTDot wrote:I'd like to see him end up in Minnesota and re-signed. I dont think he'd have much impact this year but I like him in years moving forward.

so what does that look like from MIN? surely an offer better than shabazz?

If you don't believe he wil have much impact this year, then why would you pay to have him on your team this year?

If you don't need the potential production, let someone else carry the downside risk of injury or character this year. Surely a "closer look" is not worth a pick, unless you have no faith in your scouting department. If Noel suddenly becomes so amazing that you want to have him, overpay with cap space. Even if someone outbids your price point, you lost out on player that was more than you would pay, and kept your pick.

It's not just about fit. It's about handling your risk, and it's about how an expiring RFA contract works. If he had two years left on a rookie deal, then he might be worth more to a lottery team. With one year, your most interested buyers would be teams who can get value from him this season, like playoff contenders willing to rent him. But since he's not likely a max player, you are paying for the RFA rights to match the highest bidder.

youngcrev · Post #57 » by **youngcrev** » Mon Dec 19, 2016 5:18 am

Foshan wrote:
Asif16 wrote:Terrence Ross, Bebe, Wright, LAC or TOR first rd pick (whichever is better) and TOR 2nd rd pick

For

Noel, Covington

While I'm not a huge fan of Ross or moving RoCo, this seems to be the best value so far.

I'd be interested to see what that deal looks like without Covington involved. I prefer him to every individual piece coming back. Ross is really the only piece I actually value coming back here.

rugbyrugger23 · Post #58 » by **rugbyrugger23** » Mon Dec 19, 2016 5:20 am

Nets Trade: RHJ + LeVert
Nets Receive: Rubio + Payne
Nets Why: Give Rubio in the Big Apple a try with Lin.

Philly Trades: Noel + Sergio
Philly Receives: Jones + LeVert
Philly Why: Two late 1sts who happen to be guards for their youth movement in backcourt.

Wolves Trade: Rubio + Jones + Payne
Wolves Receive: Noel + RHJ + Sergio
Wolves Why: Defense and a vet, just what Thibs needs. Can Noel work next to Towns? He is on half season trial.

Could throw around a couple 2nds or get Bazz involved, but that is the deal.

bigmean · Post #59 » by **bigmean** » Mon Dec 19, 2016 5:21 am

if Covington is going up north i want Powell in return

WhatsaTDot · Post #60 » by **WhatsaTDot** » Mon Dec 19, 2016 5:21 am

shrink wrote:
Foshan wrote:
WhatsaTDot wrote:I'd like to see him end up in Minnesota and re-signed. I dont think he'd have much impact this year but I like him in years moving forward.

so what does that look like from MIN? surely an offer better than shabazz?

If you don't believe he wil have much impact this year, then why would you pay to have him on your team this year?

If you don't need the potential production, let someone else carry the downside risk of injury or character this year. Surely a "closer look" is not worth a pick, unless you have no faith in your scouting department. If Noel suddenly becomes so amazing that you want to have him, overpay with cap space. Even if someone outbids your price point, you lost out on player that was more than you would pay, and kept your pick.

It's not just about fit. It's about handling your risk, and it's about how anexpiring RFA contract works.

Because I'd (if I was the Wolves) would be willing to risk the chance of being able to re-sign him in the off-season. I don't think the Wolves are going to be a prime FA location so I'd want to give myself the opportunity to outbid the competition if it came to that.

I also don't think Shabazz is enough of an asset to get you in the conversation.