Geometry: The Frank Kaminsky Thread

[Mystical Apples]

Nikola Mirotic is playing similar to Frank so far this season. Hoiberg decided to bench him DNP-CD style.

Well this is interesting.

[amcoolio]

I'm glad Mystical Apples has held the light up for us pro-Frankers.

Even in his horrid shooting state he needs 20 minutes +. He will get his shot fixed

[fatlever]

Frank, YIKES!

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[catch20two]

Nikola Mirotic is playing similar to Frank so far this season. Hoiberg decided to bench him DNP-CD style.

Well this is interesting.

Woulda been more interesting if you included Marv on the chart.

[yosemiteben]

Nikola Mirotic is playing similar to Frank so far this season. Hoiberg decided to bench him DNP-CD style.

Well this is interesting.

Woulda been more interesting if you included Marv on the chart.

Would be interesting, but wouldn't really change the fact that everyone in the second unit plays better with Frank. Plus seems more relevant to see how Frank plays with the second unit because that's where he spends most of his time.

[James Gatz]

Frank, YIKES!

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Saw this earlier today and it didn't make me feel great. Marv on the other hand is averaging around 3 open shots and making them at an above average rate. Our scheme is getting our 4s shots but Frank has to hit them at least at an average rate.

[catch20two]

Well this is interesting.

Woulda been more interesting if you included Marv on the chart.

Would be interesting, but wouldn't really change the fact that everyone in the second unit plays better with Frank. Plus seems more relevant to see how Frank plays with the second unit because that's where he spends most of his time.

I only see it as everyone in the 2nd unit get damaged by that Hawes-Hibbert lineup. That's the fatal flaw.

[yosemiteben]

Woulda been more interesting if you included Marv on the chart.

Would be interesting, but wouldn't really change the fact that everyone in the second unit plays better with Frank. Plus seems more relevant to see how Frank plays with the second unit because that's where he spends most of his time.

I only see it as everyone in the 2nd unit get damaged by that Hawes-Hibbert lineup. That's the fatal flaw.

Think that's the case for that Hibbert on/off and maybe Sessions, but much less so for Belinelli and somewhat Lamb who both see time with the starters.

Would be interested to have MA run the stats again but exclude the games where Marv was out. Pretty please?

[Mystical Apples]

Nikola Mirotic is playing similar to Frank so far this season. Hoiberg decided to bench him DNP-CD style.

Well this is interesting.

Woulda been more interesting if you included Marv on the chart.

Ah, predicable. I identified that weeks ago and shared it. To save you the suspense it's with Frank at center and Marvin at PF. Feel free to draw definitive conclusions about Marvin + Frank in that smallish sample size....I'm sure that's your point and you'll do whatever conveniently meets the narrative.

But hey, that's removing Frank's C minutes from his much larger PF sample size....an inconvenient conundrum if the goal is using on/off to make Frank look bad relative to Marvin.

[Mystical Apples]

Frank, YIKES!

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Like clock work.

[fatlever]

You gonna get annoyed every time I post something negative about Frank from Twitter? It's gonna be a long season in that case.

[Mystical Apples]

Woulda been more interesting if you included Marv on the chart.

Would be interesting, but wouldn't really change the fact that everyone in the second unit plays better with Frank. Plus seems more relevant to see how Frank plays with the second unit because that's where he spends most of his time.

I only see it as everyone in the 2nd unit get damaged by that Hawes-Hibbert lineup. That's the fatal flaw.

Flaw in what? I drew 0 conclusions. If anything the "fatal" flaw is making lazy assumptions

[catch20two]

Would be interesting, but wouldn't really change the fact that everyone in the second unit plays better with Frank. Plus seems more relevant to see how Frank plays with the second unit because that's where he spends most of his time.

I only see it as everyone in the 2nd unit get damaged by that Hawes-Hibbert lineup. That's the fatal flaw.

Flaw in what? I drew 0 conclusions. If anything the "fatal" flaw is making lazy assumptions

It's no secret and it's very well documented that the Hawes-Hibbert lineup runs deep into the negative. If Frank isn't on the floor then generally that would mean that these guys on/off w/ Frank is effected by that. You acting like I'm saying something off the wall. I'll do my own research on this matter and check back.

[Mystical Apples]

You gonna get annoyed every time I post something negative about Frank from Twitter? It's gonna be a long season in that case.

Do whatever blows your hair back. But let's be honest it's difficult posting anything positive - oftentimes original, researched work some posters may find useful or even educational - without snappy rebuttals to the contrary. I don't quite get that mindset.

Not just this thread, either.

[Mystical Apples]

I only see it as everyone in the 2nd unit get damaged by that Hawes-Hibbert lineup. That's the fatal flaw.

Flaw in what? I drew 0 conclusions. If anything the "fatal" flaw is making lazy assumptions

It's no secret and it's very well documented that the Hawes-Hibbert lineup runs deep into the negative. If Frank isn't on the floor then generally that would mean that these guys on/off w/ Frank is effected by that. You acting like I'm saying something off the wall. I'll do my own research on this matter and check back.

Be sure to include your non-fatal conclusions about the subjective 5 game sample size. And without the hint of irony, a response to a full-season chart with zero conclusions attached.

[catch20two]

[catch20two]

Yes after further research it's facts that the Hawes-Hibbert lineup has effected these on/off results with Frank. Each of these guys are in the negative with Hawes-Hibbert frontcourt. In fact there's not a lineup attached to the Hawes-Hibbert frontcourt that has a positive net that has seen at least 3 minutes on the floor together.

[catch20two]

It's not like the alternative in Marv has really played great this season. He's slumped as much as Frank. I'm just saying that using a on/off with Frank and the rest of the bench doesn't offer a legit analysis outside of the fact that our PF position has sucked this season.

I guess if you want to make a argument that Frank may have sucked the least among our PFs this season thus far it would be hard for me to argue because Clifford hasn't went small with MKG or Batum at the PF spot to warrant research without it being neglected as too small of a sample size.

[amcoolio]

It's not like the alternative in Marv has really played great this season. He's slumped as much as Frank. I'm just saying that using a on/off with Frank and the rest of the bench doesn't offer a legit analysis outside of the fact that our PF position has sucked this season.

I guess if you want to make a argument that Frank may have sucked the least among our PFs this season thus far it would be hard for me to argue because Clifford hasn't went small with MKG or Batum at the PF spot to warrant research without it being neglected as too small of a sample size.

I think its more the fact that everyone is ignoring that Frank makes everyone better around him and is playing in our offensive system really well, better than almost anybody, he just isn't hitting shots and hasn't found a way to score inside yet.

To me Frank has been much improved, and is clearly a rotation player. If he was hitting a few more 3's, there wouldn't be much negative vitrol about Frank anywhere.

If one thing the NBA has proven, is that you can improve your shooting no matter how bad you are. Kemba Walker was horrid. And I mean HORRID. On open 3's his first few years. Give Frank some time.

[fatlever]

I don't think there is any denying that frank is one of those players who makes others better. He has value as a connector and with high IQ.

Also no denying that his shooting, along with Marv, leave a lot to be desired this year.

My frustrations with Frank are that he could be so much more if he was just making shots.

I don't want to be content with Frank just having a positive effect on others. He has the tools for so much more.

Gotta make open shots. Gotta finish in the paint, gotta take advantage of match ups, while still doing all the positive stuff he's doing now.

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