Geometry: The Frank Kaminsky Thread

[Mystical Apples]

Would be interesting, but wouldn't really change the fact that everyone in the second unit plays better with Frank. Plus seems more relevant to see how Frank plays with the second unit because that's where he spends most of his time.

I only see it as everyone in the 2nd unit get damaged by that Hawes-Hibbert lineup. That's the fatal flaw.

Think that's the case for that Hibbert on/off and maybe Sessions, but much less so for Belinelli and somewhat Lamb who both see time with the starters.

Would be interested to have MA run the stats again but exclude the games where Marv was out. Pretty please?

I've spliced groups/individuals over certain periods to identify correlations but I haven't looked at that yet. If I get a chance I'll take a look.

Cody playing just 1.7% of his minutes without either Kemba or Nic on the floor sticks out. Not sure what conclusions can be drawn but I do know Kemba + Nic = good.

Somewhat unsurprising is the lack of tailwind behind Sessions who's double punished......comped to Kemba and never receiving the tailwind with Kemba. He probably deserves more credit than is given.

[catch20two]

Some of you guys are too content with mediocrity lol. There's a reason why we're playing close to .500 ball and very fortunate that the rest of the East isn't really succeeding.

Our PF position has been weak. That's the difference from prolly being at least 20-8 instead of the mediocre 15-13 that we are.

There's no denying that Frank could be a valuable if he made his shots. That's some old Jackie Moon logic lol "all we gotta do is hit our 3s".

[catch20two]

If one thing the NBA has proven, is that you can improve your shooting no matter how bad you are. Kemba Walker was horrid. And I mean HORRID. On open 3's his first few years. Give Frank some time.

Kinda difficult to compare a guy that lead the team in scoring, carried the offense, was the focal point of every opposing defense, faced double teams and sometimes even triple teams just to get the ball out of his hands...

...to a 7ft guy that get wide open shots at least 75% of the time and opposing coaches put guards on him knowing he'll struggle to score inside despite having almost a foot height advantage.

[Diop]

Some of you guys are too content with mediocrity lol. There's a reason why we're playing close to .500 ball and very fortunate that the rest of the East isn't really succeeding.

Our PF position has been weak. That's the difference from prolly being at least 20-8 instead of the mediocre 15-13 that we are.

There's no denying that Frank could be a valuable if he made his shots. That's some old Jackie Moon logic lol "all we gotta do is hit our 3s".

It's not like Frank hasn't shown the ability to hit 3's, its a big reason why he was drafted high.

[Eoghan]

At least we might finally get that Ryan Anderson we've always wanted. Unfortunately it looks more like the downward trending Ryan Anderson.

If he keeps shooting this poorly maybe we can swap disappointing tall white guys that stand around the three point line all day with Portland and get Meyers Leonard. Trading a 1st rounder to PDX worked out well the last time, I say we double down.

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[Diop]

At least we might finally get that Ryan Anderson we've always wanted. Unfortunately it looks more like the downward trending Ryan Anderson.

If he keeps shooting this poorly maybe we can swap disappointing tall white guys that stand around the three point line all day with Portland and get Meyers Leonard. Trading a 1st rounder to PDX worked out well the last time, I say we double down.

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A portland fan was begging us to trade Hibbert for Meyers, they're sick of him

[Eoghan]

At least we might finally get that Ryan Anderson we've always wanted. Unfortunately it looks more like the downward trending Ryan Anderson.

If he keeps shooting this poorly maybe we can swap disappointing tall white guys that stand around the three point line all day with Portland and get Meyers Leonard. Trading a 1st rounder to PDX worked out well the last time, I say we double down.

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A portland fan was begging us to trade Hibbert for Meyers, they're sick of him

They just don't appreciate a good man-bun in Portland anymore.

[Mystical Apples]

Interested to hear how people reconcile this.

[Mystical Apples]

BTW average Spot Up PPP for NBA bigs is .85

[Mystical Apples]

Yes after further research it's facts that the Hawes-Hibbert lineup has effected these on/off results with Frank. Each of these guys are in the negative with Hawes-Hibbert frontcourt. In fact there's not a lineup attached to the Hawes-Hibbert frontcourt that has a positive net that has seen at least 3 minutes on the floor together.

No worries cause I already spelled it out for you in the chart. Just use the "Frank On" column then. Easy Cheesey.

(CHA is +1.8 for the season)

[catch20two]

Yes after further research it's facts that the Hawes-Hibbert lineup has effected these on/off results with Frank. Each of these guys are in the negative with Hawes-Hibbert frontcourt. In fact there's not a lineup attached to the Hawes-Hibbert frontcourt that has a positive net that has seen at least 3 minutes on the floor together.

No worries cause I already spelled it out for you in the chart. Just use the "Frank On" column then. Easy Cheesey.

(CHA is +1.8 for the season)

BTW Lamb is the most impactful player we have on the bench. Advanced stats agree.

[Mystical Apples]

The perils of subjective data mining in 1 chart.

Above all, player on/off stats have been influenced the most by % of minutes with Kemba. Yet somehow this positive tailwind gets glossed over while the perceived negatives are dismissed.....not exactly objective or rigorous.

Chart is non-garbage Kemba "off" minutes without the 7 games Frank or Marvin missed to satisfy a condition of like comparisons ("flawed" Hibbert-Hawes lineups). Since Frank has also been an alleged negative I removed his minutes in 1 instance (see bottom).

[GlenRiceARoni]

My new nickname for Frank is "Needle nose Ned" for his famous first step driving the lane.

Watch out for that first step, It's a DOOOOZY

Guy can't shoot worth a flying squirrel though (1-11 last night?!)

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[fatlever]

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[GlenRiceARoni]

It's actually quite amazing how good his stats are given that he is shooting unbelievably poorly.

I'm starting to think he's going to be a really good player.

I just have the feeling he will be a good shooter within the next year or two. He was too good in college

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[Vanderbilt_Grad]

http://queencityhoops.com/blog/is-roy-hibbert-the-biggest-reason-for-frank-kaminskys-struggles/

[catch20two]

Roy Hibbert got the power to make Frank Kaminsky miss open 3s and floaters around the rim over smaller defenders. Wow.

[yosemiteben]

Roy Hibbert got the power to make Frank Kaminsky miss open 3s and floaters around the rim over smaller defenders. Wow.

I know you get the point of that article because I've seen you make a lot of arguments using on/off data and talking about why certain players underperform with other players in the lineup.

Would it make you feel better if that article were about how Lamb shoots much better from the floor with Spencer compared to Roy?

[fatlever]

I was just coming to post this article. You guys beat me to it. It's definitely something that is worth watching.