Season Speculation, Trade Ideas and Discussion

DaleyBlind · Post #1861 » by **DaleyBlind** » Tue Dec 20, 2016 6:59 am

“Let’s not bury Dragan Bender and Marquese Chriss and play the veterans 40 minutes a night to get it.”

Hopefully thats a message to Watson...if he doesnt get the message quickly, Tucker gets dealt ASAP

Post #1862 » by **batsmasher** » Tue Dec 20, 2016 8:02 am

40 minutes a night for Bender is the dream. He's already come a fair way since Summer League in how he looks on offense.

thamadkant · Post #1863 » by **thamadkant** » Tue Dec 20, 2016 11:56 am

Booker has a PER of 12 and TS%of 50.
And has played tons of minutes to signify he is healthy enough. Both stats are down from last season but he is getting more usage and shots.

He is being developed incorrectly IMO. Watson has not done a goos job in both wins and player development.

AdotSmoove · Post #1864 » by **AdotSmoove** » Tue Dec 20, 2016 11:57 am

carey wrote:
AtheJ415 wrote: Noel is supposedly a defensive-minded big with a horrible work ethic and bad knees who is about to get paid. He is every bit as risky as Len, and so many are ready to build around him. I don't get it.

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Sure you do. It's because he's NOT Len and they haven't seen Noel's flaws up close and personal for the last 3 years like they have Alex's.

Philly fan here and I've seen them up close. The truth about Noel is that he is a younger, skinnier, but faster Chandler. The knees are fine. He elected to have surgery to not deal with the Sixers rotation fiasco and likely expected to be traded by now. I can't speak to work ethic off the court but he plays hard every minute of the games.

Biggest downside is that he has stone hands. Throwing lobs up to Noel is always a nightmare, I do not know how he used to play WR.

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AdotSmoove · Post #1865 » by **AdotSmoove** » Tue Dec 20, 2016 12:01 pm

Question from philly:

Instead of Noel, would you trade Knight + future 1st top 5 protected for Okafor? Counter?

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Post #1866 » by **lilfishi22** » Tue Dec 20, 2016 12:06 pm

1UPZ wrote:Booker has a PER of 12 and TS%of 50.
And has played tons of minutes to signify he is healthy enough. Both stats are down from last season but he is getting more usage and shots.

He is being developed incorrectly IMO. Watson has not done a goos job in both wins and player development.

Again more minutes didn't equal good player development. I guarantee, 10mpg under a legit coach who's invested in structured youth development is better than 20mpg of whatever Watson's doing.

Just letting Chriss and Booker do whatever they want is not good player development

thamadkant · Post #1867 » by **thamadkant** » Tue Dec 20, 2016 12:09 pm

lilfishi22 wrote:
1UPZ wrote:Booker has a PER of 12 and TS%of 50.
And has played tons of minutes to signify he is healthy enough. Both stats are down from last season but he is getting more usage and shots.

He is being developed incorrectly IMO. Watson has not done a goos job in both wins and player development.

Again more minutes didn't equal good player development. I guarantee, 10mpg under a legit coach who's invested in structured youth development is better than 20mpg of whatever Watson's doing.

Just letting Chriss and Booker do whatever they want is not good player development

I agree. I've seen every game and I dont like what I see. Its free style basketball... Players playing one on five offensively and no direction or guidance from coaching on court.

thamadkant · Post #1868 » by **thamadkant** » Tue Dec 20, 2016 12:11 pm

AdotSmoove wrote:Question from philly:

Instead of Noel, would you trade Knight + future 1st top 5 protected for Okafor? Counter?

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Make the pick lottery protected instead.

AdotSmoove · Post #1869 » by **AdotSmoove** » Tue Dec 20, 2016 1:04 pm

1UPZ wrote:
AdotSmoove wrote:Question from philly:

Instead of Noel, would you trade Knight + future 1st top 5 protected for Okafor? Counter?

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Make the pick lottery protected instead.

I wish GM'ing was this easy

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AdotSmoove · Post #1870 » by **AdotSmoove** » Tue Dec 20, 2016 1:09 pm

AdotSmoove wrote:
1UPZ wrote:
AdotSmoove wrote:Question from philly:

Instead of Noel, would you trade Knight + future 1st top 5 protected for Okafor? Counter?

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Make the pick lottery protected instead.

I wish GM'ing was this easy

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In reality Colangelo won't accept full lottery protection, though he would likely take a diminishing protection from full lotto to top 10 to 6ish range over a few years.

How is Knight's attitude on the team?

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ImNotMcDiSwear · Post #1871 » by **ImNotMcDiSwear** » Tue Dec 20, 2016 3:13 pm

IDK about Okafor. Every time I watch him play defense, he looks like he couldn't care less. And I mean literally. Dude just won't move his feet. I'd be scared to add him before Alex is extended, whom I prefer. I'd be scared to have a sulking Okafor on the bench. It just doesn't seem to work.

BK's attitude is fine, at least in public. Something seems to be going on with him psychologically, though. He's been a brick factory all year.

Saberestar · Post #1872 » by **Saberestar** » Tue Dec 20, 2016 4:03 pm

Read on Twitter

Chandler can be good for them. Harden is a master throwing alley-oops so Chandler would be useful on offense for them.

WeekapaugGroove · Post #1873 » by **WeekapaugGroove** » Tue Dec 20, 2016 5:11 pm

Saberestar wrote:

Read on Twitter

Chandler can be good for them. Harden is a master throwing alley-oops so Chandler would be useful on offense for them.

Its a little tricky making salaries work with houston. Would need to take back brewer in any deal. Dekker would be my main target but i think the rockets like him so not sure if they would be willing to move him. Brewer, mcdaniels, and harrell works money wise but even as much as i want to move chandler im not sure id do that deal. But since McDaniels has always intrigued me i guess id consider it.

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AtheJ415 · Post #1874 » by **AtheJ415** » Tue Dec 20, 2016 6:04 pm

1UPZ wrote:Booker has a PER of 12 and TS%of 50.
And has played tons of minutes to signify he is healthy enough. Both stats are down from last season but he is getting more usage and shots.

He is being developed incorrectly IMO. Watson has not done a goos job in both wins and player development.

I'm not concerned yet. He's 20 and learning how to be the go to guy in the NBA. That can be an adjustment. He has started taking some more difficult shots, which I'm not a fan of, but I think some of his numbers are down on basic shots he normally hits, such as open 3s, and so I'm just chalking this up to a slump.

What I'm more concerned about right now is what the plan is for TJ. If he is healthy enough to play, he needs to be starting. He is our best player aside from maybe Bledsoe.

I think PJ is the most likely to be moved this year, but with what Chandler and Bledsoe are doing, it's hard to think we couldn't get something decent for Chandler and damn good for Bledsoe on the market.

Saberestar · Post #1875 » by **Saberestar** » Tue Dec 20, 2016 6:05 pm

I would be happy trading Chandler for Brewer/Harrell or Brewer/Dekker.

AtheJ415 · Post #1876 » by **AtheJ415** » Tue Dec 20, 2016 6:15 pm

WeekapaugGroove wrote:
Saberestar wrote:

Read on Twitter

Chandler can be good for them. Harden is a master throwing alley-oops so Chandler would be useful on offense for them.

Its a little tricky making salaries work with houston. Would need to take back brewer in any deal. Dekker would be my main target but i think the rockets like him so not sure if they would be willing to move him. Brewer, mcdaniels, and harrell works money wise but even as much as i want to move chandler im not sure id do that deal. But since McDaniels has always intrigued me i guess id consider it.

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Yeah, Houston's roster is entirely top heavy. That said, I would 1000% do the deal you proposed. I think Houston wouldn't want to commit money to Chandler going forward though, particularly given Morey still sees the Rockets as contending by signing a star in FA, and thus they need every dollar of cap space. Really they are looking for a stop gap for the next month at a minimal price, and Chandler doesn't fit that bill. Given how well Capela is playing, I think they are looking for a stop gap who can become his backup upon return rather than a bonified starting center.

AdotSmoove · Post #1877 » by **AdotSmoove** » Tue Dec 20, 2016 7:45 pm

cosmofizzo wrote:IDK about Okafor. Every time I watch him play defense, he looks like he couldn't care less. And I mean literally. Dude just won't move his feet. I'd be scared to add him before Alex is extended, whom I prefer. I'd be scared to have a sulking Okafor on the bench. It just doesn't seem to work.

BK's attitude is fine, at least in public. Something seems to be going on with him psychologically, though. He's been a brick factory all year.

Okafors D is suspect. He grabs a couple blocks, but we're talking a massive defensive liability. He's been a 20/10 guy since day one though.

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Post #1878 » by **bwgood77** » Tue Dec 20, 2016 8:33 pm

AdotSmoove wrote:
cosmofizzo wrote:IDK about Okafor. Every time I watch him play defense, he looks like he couldn't care less. And I mean literally. Dude just won't move his feet. I'd be scared to add him before Alex is extended, whom I prefer. I'd be scared to have a sulking Okafor on the bench. It just doesn't seem to work.

BK's attitude is fine, at least in public. Something seems to be going on with him psychologically, though. He's been a brick factory all year.

Okafors D is suspect. He grabs a couple blocks, but we're talking a massive defensive liability. He's been a 20/10 guy since day one though.

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Yes, both our centers are top 33 in DRPM (Chandler 13th). Check out who's at the bottom by a long shot.
http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/page/2/sort/DRPM/position/9

carey · Post #1879 » by **carey** » Tue Dec 20, 2016 9:08 pm

AdotSmoove wrote: Okafors D is suspect. He grabs a couple blocks, but we're talking a massive defensive liability. He's been a 20/10 guy since day one though. [/url]

Well, that's a bit of an exaggeration (17 & 7 last year, now 11 & 5 in a reduced role,) but 20/10 guys don't grow on trees. It's funny I was thinking Knight and a lottery protected 1st when you asked and then someone said it. Seems fair.

Knight is worrying me. We were willing to eat Michael Beasley's contract when he shot .40/.31/.75 scoring 10 a game for one season with us. What the heck are we going to do with Brandon Knight who makes $13M/yr and is shooting .38/.32/.85 scoring 13 a game. I guess if he gets in even the smallest legal trouble then he's a goner. That contract though...

This team isn't constructed well. It's been said before, but unlike the '13-'14 team that was greater than the sum of its parts this one is less than. Much less than so far. They aren't a team so much as they are 15 guys that play basketball with the same uniform on. It's been a drag on everyone. Len seems to be the only person whose stats are actually improving and that should be commended.

carey · Post #1880 » by **carey** » Tue Dec 20, 2016 9:11 pm

bwgood77 wrote: Yes, both our centers are top 33 in DRPM (Chandler 13th). Check out who's at the bottom by a long shot.
http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/page/2/sort/DRPM/position/9

I knew it was KAT because I saw the list a few weeks ago and made this same point. No one ever talks about how bad KAT's defense is because his offense is so good. It's why you pay a guy like Amare $20M a year on bad knees even though he never could defend as much as a door. Anyway it's interesting how some guys get a pass while others don't. It's largely based on where you play and your attitude in my opinion.