Knicks not ruling out DRose extension later in the season

[NYKMentality85]

I dunno. Between his injury history and his bottom of the barrel defense I can't see how Jackson justifies re-signing him. You can't expect him to get any better defensively and you can't put that burden on the other players and expect to win a title.The frontline is always gonna be threatened too much if Jennings and Rose can't keep track of their assignments better in transition and halfcourt. Right now the Knicks are above .500 but are 5-9 on the road and ranked 25th in the league defensively. Not putting all of that on Rose and Jennings but they are a weak spot and we need guards who are in the top 10 defensively not in the bottom 5.

And you also can not feature a lead (defensive) guard in today's NBA in which can't attack opposing defenses, split the defense, blow past his defender one on one, explode into the lane at ease & drive to the rim at will; as can Derrick Rose.

And I'm a strong believer that team defense is all about trust & communication. We're only 28 games into the season and not a single team has as much turnover as these Knicks of 2016-2017 consisting of a new head coach in Hornacek, core players such as Rose, Jennings, Lee, Holiday & Noah as well as 3 rookies in Baker, Kuzminskas & Hernangomez (in whom all weren't on the team just last season). Not to mention Ndour & Plumlee who are also on our roster as rookies.

Under those circumstances how could anyone expect a powerful defense without strong communication skills due to a lack of overall continuity?

Rose as an individual defender has actually battled well against opposing PG's.

[NBA Fan 1234]

Rose absolutely is about the money. He has to "look out for his son's future" - he said that last year. Do not want him. DowNY is absolutely right. Does every post need (multiple paragraphs and give the feeling people are about to go to war) to protect this guy's image and put him on a pedestal? No. No need to play white knight every time this team (or this player) does something good. Let posters believe what they will.

Idk Rose doesn't strike me as a dude who will stop giving effort when getting paid.. but who knows. I like Rose, I fully support him after his tough career battling several serious injuries, being kicked out of home town where he went from hero to zero in no time and getting false rape accusations by gold digging hoe. I actually feel sorry for him and if he is playing the way he is now I really don't mind if Knicks resign him for a reasonable price.

He was "kicked out of [his] home team" because they needed to move on from him. No need to fell sorry for that. I never said Rose is a guy who will stop giving effort when he gets paid - I said he's "about the money," meaning he will look to get every singly penny available to him (and, honestly, I don't blame him - if a team offers you a deal, you take it and run). I don't want him going forward because I want to see KP take a bigger step into the limelight and take on a bigger role (something I see as impossible with Rose still here going forward), I also want to maintain cap flexibility, and I don't trust his health. That's it. He's played well this year, can't hate on him for that. I simply don't want him going forward.

[Deeeez Knicks]

Rose absolutely is about the money. He has to "look out for his son's future" - he said that last year. Do not want him. DowNY is absolutely right. Does every post need (multiple paragraphs and give the feeling people are about to go to war) to protect this guy's image and put him on a pedestal? No. No need to play white knight every time this team (or this player) does something good. Let posters believe what they will.

O.k but Kt1214... in today's NBA who doesn't want a piece of the pie? For crying out loud Mozgov landed just about 16 million per year. Even Jrue Holiday will demand more than his current 11.2 million here in 2016 come the offseason. And what type of father wouldn't care about his son's future?

At the end of the day Rose has shown more heart, fight, mental focus & determination to return to the game in which he's loved dating back to his childhood days than 99.9% of these current players within todays NBA.

That is true. I wouldn’t view Rose as anymore about the money than anyone else. He is definitely not Jerome James or Eddy Curry. He will always play hard, even to a fault. You worry about injury or if it’s the best move for the Knicks. I don’t think you worry that he will stop playing hard after getting paid.

[NBA Fan 1234]

I never said he would stop playing hard after he got paid. However, I am a little worried about him getting a minor injury and sitting out for weeks (/not coming back when he can) if he's given a nice contract.

[NYKMentality85]

Have you ever had surgery along with countless hours of therapy in order to recover from right a knee injury as well as a torn right knee meniscus?

If not then you'd have the slightest clue on the type of heart, fight, discipline, mental toughness & overall hunger/determination in which it takes to return to the level of play as that of a current Derrick Rose.

[DOT]

How is Patty Mills a max player?

He's not full max, but someone is going to give him over 20 mil

[DOT]

yeah i rather just tank for one of the top guards in the upcoming draft but that looks highly unlikely to happen. Im not thrilled with the list all i see is a bunch of slightly above average point guards and some good bench depth point guards. Theirs no real game changers here that we have a shot of signing.

Curry- forget about it
Paul - forget about it

Holiday - i can see him being available if the pelicans choose to sign a guard through the draft (i'd be okay with this signing but does it really make us that much better? probably not and just as much of a health concern as rose

Teague- not thrilled.. again does this signing make us that much better?

2018's free agent class of point guards is even worse.

i think the knicks end up bringing rose back

I wouldn't be too upset if we ended up with a good pick, but I'm anti-tank, and honestly, drafting isn't always perfect. Remember all the people who wanted us to take Mudiay because he was a surefire stud at the pg position? He still has time, but I think we're all happy with how that turned out.
As for FA, except for Curry, Paul, and Lowry, there's no real game changer available, and everyone else is a lateral move at best. If we can get Rose to sign for 3 years 70, with options, I'd have no problem (have to wait until the end of the season to see if his body holds up)

[NBA Fan 1234]

Have you ever had surgery along with countless hours of therapy in order to recover from right a knee injury as well as a torn right knee meniscus?

If not then you'd have the slightest clue on the type of heart, fight, discipline, mental toughness & overall hunger/determination in which it takes to return to the level of play as that of a current Derrick Rose.

No, but I've had backs injuries, a knee injury, multiple ankle injury, a shoulder dislocation, and currently a foot injury which I've had to deal with. I've gone to physical therapy for "countless hours" and I've had to recover from injuries just like everyone else.

You don't have the "slightest clue on the type of heart, fight, discipline, mental toughness & overall hunger/determination" it takes for ANYONE to play in the NBA and come back from injuries. Stop putting the pussy on a pedestal and look at it from an unbiased POV. Look at the things he's said in the past and how he's come back from injuries after being declared healthy by the training staff. He wears the Knicks jersey (yay yay, rah rah), but that doesn't mean he's the greatest **** thing since sliced bread and that you need to write paragraphs about him playing the "white knight" character. Optimism I can appreciate. Blind homerism I cannot.

You'd think this guy was Jesus Christ or whoever the **** you pray to the way you go to bat for him.

[AmazingJason]

Have you ever had surgery along with countless hours of therapy in order to recover from right a knee injury as well as a torn right knee meniscus?

If not then you'd have the slightest clue on the type of heart, fight, discipline, mental toughness & overall hunger/determination in which it takes to return to the level of play as that of a current Derrick Rose.

This is a bit much. Plenty of regular people who engage in athletic activities go through that. Personally, I've been through every single running and tennis injury you can ever imagine. Not to the extent of Rose, but I'm still young. Those older than me experience injuries just as bad as the pros do and will go through those countless hours of therapy so that they can one day do what they love again.

There is one major difference and it is that Rose is compensated for what he does, with money and fame. So while I can empathize with battling through injury and rehab, this is also his job, responsibility and obligation as well. It's what he's expected to do.

[NBA Fan 1234]

Have you ever had surgery along with countless hours of therapy in order to recover from right a knee injury as well as a torn right knee meniscus?

If not then you'd have the slightest clue on the type of heart, fight, discipline, mental toughness & overall hunger/determination in which it takes to return to the level of play as that of a current Derrick Rose.

This is a bit much. Plenty of regular people who engage in athletic activities go through that. Personally, I've been through every single running and tennis injury you can ever imagine. Not to the extent of Rose, but I'm still young. Those older than me experience injuries just as bad as the pros do and will go through those countless hours of therapy so that they can one day do what they love again.

There is one major difference and it is that Rose is compensated for what he does, with money and fame. So while I can empathize with battling through injury and rehab, this is also his job, responsibility and obligation as well. It's what he's expected to do.

I wonder what would happen if someone got injured, was unable to work, was then cleared by doctors (and practiced their work), but didn't return? Hmmmmmmmmmm

[dakomish23]

Would you guys rather do a large 1 year deal with maybe a team option for a 2nd year or a longer deal but at a far cheaper rate?

2 years 55 mil with a team option

Or

5 years 90

I'd prefer the shorter deal. At most let it end in 2019, same time as Melo. If this experiment fails go into full blown rebuild and have nothing to make you think otherwise.

[NYKMentality85]

I never said he would stop playing hard after he got paid. However, I am a little worried about him getting a minor injury and sitting out for weeks (/not coming back when he can) if he's given a nice contract.

Sorry, but Rose doesn't need another mega contract in order for him to desire playing the game of basketball. He's already at a net worth of $70,000,000.

Outside of when Rose was physically (and mostly mentally) recovering from serious knee injuries has Rose himself ever sat out "for weeks on end" due to a minor injury? The answer would be, never.

Let's actually be real here.

During his first three years in the league he only missed a combined 6 games. Where was the sitting out for weeks part? It didn't happen.

It wasn't until his 4th year in the league where he suffered his major injury. He also played all 39 games that year leading into his injury. Where wss the part where he sat out for weeks due to a minor injury? Once again. It never happened.

Now in 2012-2013 he did sit out the entire season and rightfully so (the kid was coming off a horrific injury).

Once Rose returned for the 2013-2014 season he suffered a torn meniscus. Out for the season. Only played 10 games after returning.

None of those two injuries were "minor". Still waiting for the part where Rose sat out, just to sit out.

And since then he's played 51, 66 & now 24 games and over the previous 3 seasons has not once sat out for "weeks on end".

Last year the longest he sat out for was 3 consecutive games. Weeks?

The year before last was the only time (post knee injuries) that he sat out for weeks. 20 games. Due to a right hamstring tendinitis. Which unfourtnately happens in pro sports. And does take time to recover (hammy).

Not really sure where all of this sitting out for weeks (when he could play) theory came from but in regards to Rose it's unjust.

To have a concern about future knee injuries is fair. To worry about Rose "faking injuries" is head scratching...

[whocares1]

I'd still rather not invest in D Rose. If the Knicks re signed him they'd have 3 injury prone players in the starting lineup making big money. That is a recipe for no real success in the foreseeable future. I like Rose, but our ceiling with him isn't higher than Cleveland or Golden State. If the objective is winning a championship anytime soon then Rose is simply a bad investment.

[NYKMentality85]

In closing i don't find it homerish to talk up & defend our most exciting/productive PG since dating back to Linsanity. In your eyes it's homerish as through my eyes it's extremely negative to question his work ethic after all he's overcame as a player.

And I'll leave it at that and agree to disagree in the meantime let's enjoy this season the potential is there for a really fun ride.

[NBA Fan 1234]

What I posted was completely uncalled for. I apologize.

Like you said, agree to disagree bud.

[NYKMentality85]

What I posted was completely uncalled for. I apologize.

Like you said, agree to disagree bud.

All good. Apology accepted because i can go overboard at times as well. Guess we're just a bunch of passionate fans with different view points.

I'm not trying to backseat moderate but I'm thinking this thread title is causing conflict. The whole extending Rose or not to extend Rose has this fan base split (on something in which we can't control).

I'm thinking a more appropriate thread title regarding Rose can have a smoother ride moving forward...

[NYKAL]

of he stays reasonably healthy, we have to bring Rose back. There won't be better option imo and there is a good chance that a 2nd year Rose would be even better. He'd have another offseason to work on his game, something he hasn't had an opportunity to do in years aside from last offseason. He'll be able to work on his game instead of rehabbing, he'll feel even more comfortable with the teams and NY (can't discount how important this is). As such, I'd expect an even more Dynamic Rose in 2017/18

[dakomish23]

I'd still rather not invest in D Rose. If the Knicks re signed him they'd have 3 injury prone players in the starting lineup making big money. That is a recipe for no real success in the foreseeable future. I like Rose, but our ceiling with him isn't higher than Cleveland or Golden State. If the objective is winning a championship anytime soon then Rose is simply a bad investment.

If that's our ceiling with him, then if something goes wrong for the other two we have a shot.

[NYKAL]

I'd still rather not invest in D Rose. If the Knicks re signed him they'd have 3 injury prone players in the starting lineup making big money. That is a recipe for no real success in the foreseeable future. I like Rose, but our ceiling with him isn't higher than Cleveland or Golden State. If the objective is winning a championship anytime soon then Rose is simply a bad investment.

If that's our ceiling with him, then if something goes wrong for the other two we have a shot.

what 3? Rose, Ok, Naoh....disagree but, ok...who's the 3rd

2years with an team option for a 3rd (I think the league is going to see a lot of contracts like this.) Unless Patty Mills decides to follow the money to NY, Rose is the best option out there.

[dakomish23]

I'd still rather not invest in D Rose. If the Knicks re signed him they'd have 3 injury prone players in the starting lineup making big money. That is a recipe for no real success in the foreseeable future. I like Rose, but our ceiling with him isn't higher than Cleveland or Golden State. If the objective is winning a championship anytime soon then Rose is simply a bad investment.

If that's our ceiling with him, then if something goes wrong for the other two we have a shot.

what 3? Rose, Ok, Naoh....disagree but, ok...who's the 3rd

2years with an team option for a 3rd (I think the league is going to see a lot of contracts like this.) Unless Patty Mills decides to follow the money to NY, Rose is the best option out there.

He spoke about not being able to beat CLE / GSW as absolute maximum ceiling. I'm saying if something happens to one or both of those two we have a shot, if that is indeed our ceiling.