Knicks not ruling out DRose extension later in the season

[whocares1]

I'd still rather not invest in D Rose. If the Knicks re signed him they'd have 3 injury prone players in the starting lineup making big money. That is a recipe for no real success in the foreseeable future. I like Rose, but our ceiling with him isn't higher than Cleveland or Golden State. If the objective is winning a championship anytime soon then Rose is simply a bad investment.

If that's our ceiling with him, then if something goes wrong for the other two we have a shot.

what 3? Rose, Ok, Naoh....disagree but, ok...who's the 3rd

2years with an team option for a 3rd (I think the league is going to see a lot of contracts like this.) Unless Patty Mills decides to follow the money to NY, Rose is the best option out there.

Rose is not taking a team option. 3 injury prone players are Rose, Noah, and Melo. Obviously Melo isn't as injury prone as the other two but he still is. Technically all three of them are past their prime even though Rose is only 27. At worst we'll either just miss the playoffs or be a bottom seed playoff team, and at best we win a round or two and get demolished by Cleveland. Sounds like a treadmill playoff team ala Atlanta Hawks and I'm not interested in being like that.

[NYKnicksTAPE]

Actually, the way Rose has been playing this season, the Knicks should entertain an extension if Rose takes a discount. 4/$70 with a team option would be a good deal for all sides.

If Rose continues to play well, then why would he accept a contract that only pays him 17.5 mil/yr? He's making 21 mil right now, he's playing the best ball that he's played since the lockout, the cap is jumping up to at least 103 mil, and some of y'all think that he's accepting amounts like that? That's not a realistic contract. He might sign for 3/70.

[NYKAL]

If that's our ceiling with him, then if something goes wrong for the other two we have a shot.

what 3? Rose, Ok, Naoh....disagree but, ok...who's the 3rd

2years with an team option for a 3rd (I think the league is going to see a lot of contracts like this.) Unless Patty Mills decides to follow the money to NY, Rose is the best option out there.

Rose is not taking a team option. 3 injury prone players are Rose, Noah, and Melo. Obviously Melo isn't as injury prone as the other two but he still is. Technically all three of them are past their prime even though Rose is only 27. At worst we'll either just miss the playoffs or be a bottom seed playoff team, and at best we win a round or two and get demolished by Cleveland. Sounds like a treadmill playoff team ala Atlanta Hawks and I'm not interested in being like that.

B.S. Melo is NOT injury prone, He injured his shoulder and had surgery. Hasn't been an issue since. Had a knee surgery, hasn't been an issue since. Guys get injured, have surgery but, that does not in any way equate to being injury prone. He hasn't missed nearly enough games for you to make a ridiculous statement like that.

Heard some strange and some dumb Melo **** but, this is a brand new on in my experience.

[HarthorneWingo]

Actually, the way Rose has been playing this season, the Knicks should entertain an extension if Rose takes a discount. 4/$70 with a team option would be a good deal for all sides.

If Rose continues to play well, then why would he accept a contract that only pays him 17.5 mil/yr? He's making 21 mil right now, he's playing the best ball that he's played since the lockout, the cap is jumping up to at least 103 mil, and some of y'all think that he's accepting amounts like that? That's not a realistic contract. He might sign for 3/70.

I think we can do a 3/$75M deal.

[whocares1]

what 3? Rose, Ok, Naoh....disagree but, ok...who's the 3rd

2years with an team option for a 3rd (I think the league is going to see a lot of contracts like this.) Unless Patty Mills decides to follow the money to NY, Rose is the best option out there.

Rose is not taking a team option. 3 injury prone players are Rose, Noah, and Melo. Obviously Melo isn't as injury prone as the other two but he still is. Technically all three of them are past their prime even though Rose is only 27. At worst we'll either just miss the playoffs or be a bottom seed playoff team, and at best we win a round or two and get demolished by Cleveland. Sounds like a treadmill playoff team ala Atlanta Hawks and I'm not interested in being like that.

B.S. Melo is NOT injury prone, He injured his shoulder and had surgery. Hasn't been an issue since. Had a knee surgery, hasn't been an issue since. Guys get injured, have surgery but, that does not in any way equate to being injury prone. He hasn't missed nearly enough games for you to make a ridiculous statement like that.

Heard some strange and some dumb Melo **** but, this is a brand new on in my experience.

Dude I'm not in the mood to bother arguing. You yourself have noted two surgeries, one of which caused him to miss almost an entire season. Point is we'd have three players all with major injury histories signed long term to big money. It doesn't take a genius to figure out the problem with that.

[TimRobbins]

Actually, the way Rose has been playing this season, the Knicks should entertain an extension if Rose takes a discount. 4/$70 with a team option would be a good deal for all sides.

If Rose continues to play well, then why would he accept a contract that only pays him 17.5 mil/yr? He's making 21 mil right now, he's playing the best ball that he's played since the lockout, the cap is jumping up to at least 103 mil, and some of y'all think that he's accepting amounts like that? That's not a realistic contract. He might sign for 3/70.

With his issues (both injuries and personal), which team will pay him? His value us going to be heavily depressed. Also, an extension always gets done at a discount.

[NYKnicksTAPE]

Actually, the way Rose has been playing this season, the Knicks should entertain an extension if Rose takes a discount. 4/$70 with a team option would be a good deal for all sides.

If Rose continues to play well, then why would he accept a contract that only pays him 17.5 mil/yr? He's making 21 mil right now, he's playing the best ball that he's played since the lockout, the cap is jumping up to at least 103 mil, and some of y'all think that he's accepting amounts like that? That's not a realistic contract. He might sign for 3/70.

With his issues (both injuries and personal), which team will pay him? His value us going to be heavily depressed. Also, an extension always gets done at a discount.

Sacramento is right there waiting for a PG, and there are sure to be a few other teams out there as well. What if Indiana doesn't retain Jeff Teague for example? Dallas needs a PG.

Extensions don't always get done at a discount. He will get paid. 4/70 (17.5 mil/yr) makes no sense for Rose and isn't a competitive offer by the Knicks in this new cap environment with the way he has been playing.

[Knicksfan1992]

If Rose continues to play well, then why would he accept a contract that only pays him 17.5 mil/yr? He's making 21 mil right now, he's playing the best ball that he's played since the lockout, the cap is jumping up to at least 103 mil, and some of y'all think that he's accepting amounts like that? That's not a realistic contract. He might sign for 3/70.

With his issues (both injuries and personal), which team will pay him? His value us going to be heavily depressed. Also, an extension always gets done at a discount.

Sacramento is right there waiting for a PG, and there are sure to be a few other teams out there as well. What if Indiana doesn't retain Jeff Teague for example? Dallas needs a PG.

Extensions don't always get done at a discount. He will get paid. 4/70 (17.5 mil/yr) makes no sense for Rose and isn't a competitive offer by the Knicks in this new cap environment with the way he has been playing.

You're right on all fronts but, I think DRose would be very stupid to leave this situation to go somewhere else. Having KP, Melo and Jennings around to help on offense is going to prolong his career and this is really the first time since he went down that he can say he's having a positive impact on his team. Not saying he should take a major discount. But, if the difference in contracts is a few million (like 2-3 a year) between us and the Kings he should think long and hard about that decision.

[Dr. Detfink]

Derrick Rose ain't taking less than $30M per season in a 4 year deal. If the Knicks don't take it, he's going to head to the West Coast. Plenty of losers in those parts.

[NYKAL]

Rose is not taking a team option. 3 injury prone players are Rose, Noah, and Melo. Obviously Melo isn't as injury prone as the other two but he still is. Technically all three of them are past their prime even though Rose is only 27. At worst we'll either just miss the playoffs or be a bottom seed playoff team, and at best we win a round or two and get demolished by Cleveland. Sounds like a treadmill playoff team ala Atlanta Hawks and I'm not interested in being like that.

B.S. Melo is NOT injury prone, He injured his shoulder and had surgery. Hasn't been an issue since. Had a knee surgery, hasn't been an issue since. Guys get injured, have surgery but, that does not in any way equate to being injury prone. He hasn't missed nearly enough games for you to make a ridiculous statement like that.

Heard some strange and some dumb Melo **** but, this is a brand new on in my experience.

Dude I'm not in the mood to bother arguing. You yourself have noted two surgeries, one of which caused him to miss almost an entire season. Point is we'd have three players all with major injury histories signed long term to big money. It doesn't take a genius to figure out the problem with that.

2surgeries over how many years. Your definition is just different from mine because that to me is nowhere close to being injury prone. I don't remember a single other poster coming up with this one. Its creative, I'll give you that.

[NYKAL]

Actually, the way Rose has been playing this season, the Knicks should entertain an extension if Rose takes a discount. 4/$70 with a team option would be a good deal for all sides.

If Rose continues to play well, then why would he accept a contract that only pays him 17.5 mil/yr? He's making 21 mil right now, he's playing the best ball that he's played since the lockout, the cap is jumping up to at least 103 mil, and some of y'all think that he's accepting amounts like that? That's not a realistic contract. He might sign for 3/70.

I think we can do a 3/$75M deal.

I put that out there a couple of time Wingo but, got bashed. I think its a good offer and fiscally responsible too. Can't see any team asking for max and we'll be able to offer more to keep him because of the new rules (I might be mistaken about that. Sill looking into that).

[NYKnicksTAPE]

With his issues (both injuries and personal), which team will pay him? His value us going to be heavily depressed. Also, an extension always gets done at a discount.

Sacramento is right there waiting for a PG, and there are sure to be a few other teams out there as well. What if Indiana doesn't retain Jeff Teague for example? Dallas needs a PG.

Extensions don't always get done at a discount. He will get paid. 4/70 (17.5 mil/yr) makes no sense for Rose and isn't a competitive offer by the Knicks in this new cap environment with the way he has been playing.

You're right on all fronts but, I think DRose would be very stupid to leave this situation to go somewhere else. Having KP, Melo and Jennings around to help on offense is going to prolong his career and this is really the first time since he went down that he can say he's having a positive impact on his team. Not saying he should take a major discount. But, if the difference in contracts is a few million (like 2-3 a year) between us and the Kings he should think long and hard about that decision.

I do think that this is probably the best situation for him at this point in his career, but he will want and expect the Knicks to pay fair value which is around 21-23 mil/yr IMO. Rose also has some leverage. We will be hard pressed to do better than him in FA, and we can't win games without him. I'm sure if the Kings offered him 25 mil/yr and we offered him 23 mil/yr, he'd choose to stay in NY, but if the Kings offer him that amount and we come at him with 17 mil/yr or other low amounts like that then he will bounce.

[dakomish23]

If Rose continues to play well, then why would he accept a contract that only pays him 17.5 mil/yr? He's making 21 mil right now, he's playing the best ball that he's played since the lockout, the cap is jumping up to at least 103 mil, and some of y'all think that he's accepting amounts like that? That's not a realistic contract. He might sign for 3/70.

I think we can do a 3/$75M deal.

I put that out there a couple of time Wingo but, got bashed. I think its a good offer and fiscally responsible too. Can't see any team asking for max and we'll be able to offer more to keep him because of the new rules (I might be mistaken about that. Sill looking into that).

I think he meant more injury history with Melo than injury prone. Which is true unfortunately. But he played 72 games last year and I expect him to be north of 70 again this year.

[whocares1]

B.S. Melo is NOT injury prone, He injured his shoulder and had surgery. Hasn't been an issue since. Had a knee surgery, hasn't been an issue since. Guys get injured, have surgery but, that does not in any way equate to being injury prone. He hasn't missed nearly enough games for you to make a ridiculous statement like that.

Heard some strange and some dumb Melo **** but, this is a brand new on in my experience.

Dude I'm not in the mood to bother arguing. You yourself have noted two surgeries, one of which caused him to miss almost an entire season. Point is we'd have three players all with major injury histories signed long term to big money. It doesn't take a genius to figure out the problem with that.

2surgeries over how many years. Your definition is just different from mine because that to me is nowhere close to being injury prone. I don't remember a single other poster coming up with this one. Its creative, I'll give you that.

https://www.google.com/amp/nypost.com/2016/06/30/knicks-cant-stop-gambling-on-injury-prone-veterans/amp/?client=safari

Im creative and yet there's a nypost article on the health concerns of the three players I mentioned.

[Amsterdam]

what 3? Rose, Ok, Naoh....disagree but, ok...who's the 3rd

2years with an team option for a 3rd (I think the league is going to see a lot of contracts like this.) Unless Patty Mills decides to follow the money to NY, Rose is the best option out there.

Rose is not taking a team option. 3 injury prone players are Rose, Noah, and Melo. Obviously Melo isn't as injury prone as the other two but he still is. Technically all three of them are past their prime even though Rose is only 27. At worst we'll either just miss the playoffs or be a bottom seed playoff team, and at best we win a round or two and get demolished by Cleveland. Sounds like a treadmill playoff team ala Atlanta Hawks and I'm not interested in being like that.

B.S. Melo is NOT injury prone, He injured his shoulder and had surgery. Hasn't been an issue since. Had a knee surgery, hasn't been an issue since. Guys get injured, have surgery but, that does not in any way equate to being injury prone. He hasn't missed nearly enough games for you to make a ridiculous statement like that.

Heard some strange and some dumb Melo **** but, this is a brand new on in my experience.

Plus the poster is full of contradictions.
1. 3 injury prone players, obviously Melo is not injury prone.
2. Technically all 3 past their primes, although Rose is only 27.


Smh

[Knicksfan1992]

Sacramento is right there waiting for a PG, and there are sure to be a few other teams out there as well. What if Indiana doesn't retain Jeff Teague for example? Dallas needs a PG.

Extensions don't always get done at a discount. He will get paid. 4/70 (17.5 mil/yr) makes no sense for Rose and isn't a competitive offer by the Knicks in this new cap environment with the way he has been playing.

You're right on all fronts but, I think DRose would be very stupid to leave this situation to go somewhere else. Having KP, Melo and Jennings around to help on offense is going to prolong his career and this is really the first time since he went down that he can say he's having a positive impact on his team. Not saying he should take a major discount. But, if the difference in contracts is a few million (like 2-3 a year) between us and the Kings he should think long and hard about that decision.

I do think that this is probably the best situation for him at this point in his career, but he will want and expect the Knicks to pay fair value which is around 21-23 mil/yr IMO. Rose also has some leverage. We will be hard pressed to do better than him in FA, and we can't win games without him. I'm sure if the Kings offered him 25 mil/yr and we offered him 23 mil/yr, he'd choose to stay in NY, but if the Kings offer him that amount and we come at him with 17 mil/yr or other low amounts like that then he will bounce.

As he should. Which is why I think it will be somewhat smart for the Knicks to give him the extension during the season if he's interested. essentially, don't let him figure out his value around the league. It also gets rid of his cap hold which will almost certainly be larger than what he signs for.

I mean I would love Chris Paul in a Knicks uniform but, unless you're certain that he is willing to give you legitimate interest this offseason it would be dumb to lose out on Rose pursuing other options who, I think at best with the way Rose is playing are slight upgrades.

I like Teague but, he's just as useful as Rose is defensively and I don't know if he's that much better offensively.

Holliday is nice but, he's just as much an injury risk as Rose is.

George Hill is going to be 30 plus and looking for a big contract. I like Hill but, is he that much of an upgrade to the point where it's worth possibly dealing with some bad years at the end of his massive contract that he's most likely going to get?

Mills is ok but, he's unproven at a starter level but, I would understand if Phil went this direction to save money to upgrade somewhere else later on.

[Icandoallthings]

The prudent thing to do would be to wait and see what the market offers him. If the only team willing to pay big money are the desperate Kings then perhaps we should take a look at why instead of rushing to match. The Knicks have been giving broken players golden parachutes for too long. Rose stumped pretty hard for Noah and the way I see it he owes this team a discount.

[kane2021]

This can't be the first free agency some of you guys have seen. NBA free agency don't work the way some are saying. Players get payed based off what the next best got that off season. Paul and curry are setting this market at 210 million. Rose is next at around 175 million. You might be able to convince him to drop a year or shave a million here and there. You can't really think that rose is going to get a contract similar to what we gave Noah.


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[blueNorange]

[BKAY]

I do think Rose will get paid more than most are comfortable with but Knicks have alot more leverage in the situation than you guys are giving them credit for.