2016-2017 College Basketball / '17 NBA Draft Thread

[Ericb5]

Sill don't get the mass appeal of Malik Monk in terms of being a high lotto selection. Dude is 6'3" 200 pounds and can't defend for ****. I'd rather have my eyes out for potential starters with that Lakers pick.

I knew he was only 6'3, but during his game on Saturday, I looked up his wingspan. It's like 6'3 depending where he was measured. That is shocking. He'll be at a physical disadvantage against some PGs, let alone SGs.

He is a shooting guard in a point guard's body, or at least a body with a point guard's length, but he is a high level athlete, and a natural scorer and shooter. Some of the stuff that he does is just not able to be taught.

In this draft I probably put him in he mid lottery, and having Simmons running the point clearly makes a player like Monk more valuable. You wouldn't want him as your starting point guard if he needed to actually be a point guard.

I think with a back court mate of Josh Jackson he could be perfect.


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[Ericb5]

Bam Adabayo is physically a lot like a young Amare.


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[tsmith]

Bam Adabayo is physically a lot like a young Amare.


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Does not have anywhere near the skill though.

[Ericb5]

Bam Adabayo is physically a lot like a young Amare.


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Does not have anywhere near the skill though.

Perhaps, but if I was sitting somewhere around 12-16 in the draft, and I needed a big man, I'd be happy to take a shot with him.

You can just see how he would have a physical advantage most of the time even in the NBA.


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[Unbreakable99]

How many times in NBA draft lottery history has a team drafted a guard under 6'4" where they immediately said that he is not a point guard played him as a SG and it went on to work out to the level that it satisfied him being a lottery pick? Monk is probably the best college freshman shooter ever IMO, but having Simmons on the roster already leaves you probably as non traditional as you need to be. Compounding it with a short shooting guard can cause rotation problems and what happens if you decide to trade Simmons? You have a short SG now to go with what? A traditional player added to the lineup? I think that it's more healthy to give a player a role, than to draft a role. If you draft a player to a role and it doesn't work out, what is he worth? If Monk is missing shots what is he worth? Fultz can do multiple things, more margin for error.

This is why I always ask the question what does a player do when he isn't scoring. If he is still a useful player when he isn't scoring then I will like him more. Can he defend? Can he pass? Can he facilitate? Can he rebound? Does he have a high bball IQ? Sometimes shots don't fall but you should always be able to fall back on other things.

What does Monk do well when he's not scoring? What about Josh Jackson or Tatum or Fultz or Ball? You need to ask yourself these types of questions. You don't want to get another Wiggins. We can't mess this draft up. If we get a top 5 pick we must hit on it. This could be the last time we pick this high again.

[Unbreakable99]

I'll have my true opinion on monk after his performance against my cards...still want him #1 tho

Monk number 1? What? So if we have the top pick you would take him first? I think that's too high. I don't think Monk should go inside top 6.

[Unbreakable99]

I am really impress with Tatum's defense. He just need to extend his range to the 3 point line.

I agree. He's had no issue defending guards on switches (albeit on lesser teams). It'll be interesting when he's matched up with better athletes. I really like Tatum (#2 behind Fultz for me) but man is he a gunner.

I said he had a gunner mentality when I saw him the first time. Some disagreed. I didn't see him tonight but saw he took 22 shots and led the team in shots by a wide margin. I still like him but I don't want him being a black hole. I still don't see this as a red flag just yet but I don't like gunners. I think if we got him he would know how good Simmons and Embiid were and would pass more. I still need to watch him to see if he is a gunner. I do like aggressive players though. We need someone to look for their shot. They just need to have balance.

[Negrodamus]

Dozier is a top 10 talent. He's playing PG for SC at 6'6 and gets to the rim at will. Needs to put on more strength to finish better through contact, but he's a star. Has the shot, the defense ability, and the playmaking ability.

[Negrodamus]

Also, if you'd like bargain basket Jamal Murray, we should look at James Blackmon Jr. He can put the ball in the bucket, but defense... no so much.

[Sixerscan]

Sill don't get the mass appeal of Malik Monk in terms of being a high lotto selection. Dude is 6'3" 200 pounds and can't defend for ****. I'd rather have my eyes out for potential starters with that Lakers pick.

I knew he was only 6'3, but during his game on Saturday, I looked up his wingspan. It's like 6'3 depending where he was measured. That is shocking. He'll be at a physical disadvantage against some PGs, let alone SGs.

He is a shooting guard in a point guard's body, or at least a body with a point guard's length, but he is a high level athlete, and a natural scorer and shooter. Some of the stuff that he does is just not able to be taught.

In this draft I probably put him in he mid lottery, and having Simmons running the point clearly makes a player like Monk more valuable. You wouldn't want him as your starting point guard if he needed to actually be a point guard.

I think with a back court mate of Josh Jackson he could be perfect.


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Before UK his wing measured at 6'6" or longer 5 straight times dating back to 2013. His reach also measured a lot shorter than the other time it was measured. This might have been a "bag the measurements to get a sweet vertical" situation... (though that doesn't really explain the weird wingspan)

[Marcus]

I am really impress with Tatum's defense. He just need to extend his range to the 3 point line.

I agree. He's had no issue defending guards on switches (albeit on lesser teams). It'll be interesting when he's matched up with better athletes. I really like Tatum (#2 behind Fultz for me) but man is he a gunner.

I said he had a gunner mentality when I saw him the first time. Some disagreed. I didn't see him tonight but saw he took 22 shots and led the team in shots by a wide margin. I still like him but I don't want him being a black hole. I still don't see this as a red flag just yet but I don't like gunners. I think if we got him he would know how good Simmons and Embiid were and would pass more. I still need to watch him to see if he is a gunner. I do like aggressive players though. We need someone to look for their shot. They just need to have balance.

He's a gunner by nature. Always has been.

[Ericb5]

I knew he was only 6'3, but during his game on Saturday, I looked up his wingspan. It's like 6'3 depending where he was measured. That is shocking. He'll be at a physical disadvantage against some PGs, let alone SGs.

He is a shooting guard in a point guard's body, or at least a body with a point guard's length, but he is a high level athlete, and a natural scorer and shooter. Some of the stuff that he does is just not able to be taught.

In this draft I probably put him in he mid lottery, and having Simmons running the point clearly makes a player like Monk more valuable. You wouldn't want him as your starting point guard if he needed to actually be a point guard.

I think with a back court mate of Josh Jackson he could be perfect.


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Before UK his wing measured at 6'6" or longer 5 straight times dating back to 2013. His reach also measured a lot shorter than the other time it was measured. This might have been a "bag the measurements to get a sweet vertical" situation... (though that doesn't really explain the weird wingspan)

If his wingspan really IS 6'6 or longer then maybe he COULD defend the 2. There is so much switching going on these days that he will be guarding both positions anyway.

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[Negrodamus]

Without seeing Giles or the Euros, I'm quickly putting Tatum at the top of my prospect lists. There are certainly flaws in his game, but his measurements and ISO ability along with a really nice looking jump shot makes me believe he can become a serious stud in the NBA. Lot of basketball left though.

[Ericb5]

I'll have my true opinion on monk after his performance against my cards...still want him #1 tho

Monk number 1? What? So if we have the top pick you would take him first? I think that's too high. I don't think Monk should go inside top 6.

I think the top 6 from a talent perspective, in whatever order, are:

Ball, Fultz, Smith, Jackson, Giles, and Tatum.

Giles has to establish himself as healthy or he may drop out of that group, but I think that those are the 6 most talented players.

Monk, Issaac, Rabb, and Fox are definitely in the next group, which may include a few other's as well.

There are like 12 players that are Mudiay/Smart/Aaron Gordon level and above, and that is why this year is the best year in a long time to have two top 10 picks.

To be able to take one player from the first 6 and one player from the second 6 is probably like an 90% possible outcome at this point.

[ET Da Gawd]

Monk and Tatum are needed badly, I still take monk 1


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[Unbreakable99]

Monk and Tatum are needed badly, I still take monk 1


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That's insane. Monk should not go number one under any circumstances. I like Monk and would be fine with him if we got him with the Lakers pick should we still have it depending on who we already drafted and where the Lakers pick lands.

[PhilasFinest]

Yea, I like Monk and if your picking after 3, I'm fine with taking him....but no chance I'm taking him over Ball or Fultz right now.

[cksdayoff]

i'm taking monk in the back end of the lottery. i don't think he is a top 5 pick

[Negrodamus]

Love Monk, can't take him first. Need two way players that can do everything. That's why I'm talking up players like Tatum and Dozier.