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Re: Potential sleepers 

Post#501 » by CptCrunch » Tue Dec 13, 2016 8:29 pm

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Your article proved you wrong. He was granted a 6th year, but this is not his 6th year.

And he sat out a year, but was cleared. You don't play with heart issues so sitting out a year is completely reasonable whether or not it's a big issue or not. The fact that he was cleared shows that it's completely fine now.

And Thon Maker hasn't been "doing crap in the league", he hasn't been given any minutes which is understandable playing behind Monroe, Henson and Teletovic. You don't just throw a guy as raw as Thon to the NBA wolves and ask him to dominate. It's called development. It takes time. As for Thon's age, that still hasn't been proven. If you do an ounce of research you'd see that an NBA franchise took him 10th overall in the 2016 draft despite those "reports everywhere". If he was proven to be 23 you can bet he wouldn't be picked 10th overall.


6 year in college is 6 years of college. It doesn't matter if you sit on the bench recovering. You were in JUCO + college for 6 years.

Bucks likely did not know of the issues until after the draft. I can guarantee you that you have not seen any of the evidence pointing to Thon Maker's advanced age. Now, they are ignoring the issue as to not hurt their player's value. This is exactly what any rational actor would do in their situation.

You like to bring up the concept of development. How come a bonafide stud recruit is not even good enough to get more than 3 minutes a game? Busts happen all the time at all picks. You need to stop pretending that Thon is a guaranteed star. A 7 foot athletic, shot blocking phenom with unlimited potential dropping top #10 after being rated the #1/#2 high school player in his class, give me a break.


You guarantee me? Do I know you? My team was picking 9th, there was TONS of Thon Maker discussion in our draft threads so don't act like you know what I've researched. I saw everything up to those photo shopped high school photos you took as facts. It's not surprising to me that you speak this way though, because you talk about Thon as though you know more than a PROFESSIONAL NBA FRANCHISE did before they selected him. What a joke.

And please quote me where I said, or even implied, that Thon is a "guaranteed star". I said he hasn't done anything because he hasn't been given minutes and he's playing behind solid veterans. The Bucks are trying to make the playoffs. Throwing a raw 19 year old out there doesn't exactly help that cause (even though I don't expect you to understand why that is).


Just because Bucks is a professional team doesn't mean they know anything about players' age. Ilyasova and Yi jianlian are two previous players with age issues. The Bucks failed to do their due diligence twice before this. Both Illyasova and Yi have been proven to be age cheaters after being drafted.

This is becoming comical with you assuming that you know more about Thon Maker than I do. I was at the forefront of the Thon Maker research. Many of the sources that you read on RealGM and reddit were initially dug up and posted by me. I might have reviewed every single piece of news article on Thon Maker and his brother Matur Maker, his cousin Maker Maker, Daniel Mading, Matur Maker, Alir Alir, and more. I've digitally catalogued and index every reference to Thon and his relatives at Aranmore over the past decade. There is no doubt in my mind that Edmund Smith has committed fraud in order to market Thon as a NBA prospect, especially given how he has ruthlessly dumped and abandoned his previous prospects.
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Re: Potential sleepers 

Post#502 » by BoyzNTheHood » Tue Dec 13, 2016 8:32 pm

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6 year in college is 6 years of college. It doesn't matter if you sit on the bench recovering. You were in JUCO + college for 6 years.

Bucks likely did not know of the issues until after the draft. I can guarantee you that you have not seen any of the evidence pointing to Thon Maker's advanced age. Now, they are ignoring the issue as to not hurt their player's value. This is exactly what any rational actor would do in their situation.

You like to bring up the concept of development. How come a bonafide stud recruit is not even good enough to get more than 3 minutes a game? Busts happen all the time at all picks. You need to stop pretending that Thon is a guaranteed star. A 7 foot athletic, shot blocking phenom with unlimited potential dropping top #10 after being rated the #1/#2 high school player in his class, give me a break.


You guarantee me? Do I know you? My team was picking 9th, there was TONS of Thon Maker discussion in our draft threads so don't act like you know what I've researched. I saw everything up to those photo shopped high school photos you took as facts. It's not surprising to me that you speak this way though, because you talk about Thon as though you know more than a PROFESSIONAL NBA FRANCHISE did before they selected him. What a joke.

And please quote me where I said, or even implied, that Thon is a "guaranteed star". I said he hasn't done anything because he hasn't been given minutes and he's playing behind solid veterans. The Bucks are trying to make the playoffs. Throwing a raw 19 year old out there doesn't exactly help that cause (even though I don't expect you to understand why that is).


Just because Bucks is a professional team doesn't mean they know anything about players' age. Ilyasova and Yi jianlian are two previous players with age issues. The Bucks failed to do their due diligence twice before this. Both Illyasova and Yi have been proven to be age cheaters after being drafted.

This is becoming comical with you assuming that you know more about Thon Maker than I do. I was at the forefront of the Thon Maker research. Many of the sources that you read on RealGM and reddit were initially dug up and posted by me. I might have reviewed every single piece of news article on Thon Maker and his brother Matur Maker, his cousin Maker Maker, Daniel Mading, Matur Maker, Alir Alir, and more. I've digitally catalogued and index every reference to Thon and his relatives at Aranmore over the past decade. There is no doubt in my mind that Edmund Smith has committed fraud in order to market Thon as a NBA prospect, especially given how he has ruthlessly dumped and abandoned his previous prospects.


Your posts came after the draft. I've BEEN researching Thon before you. It's funny that you still believe you know more though. Nice little bit of last minute research you did there posting the names of his entire family after a quick google search. You go on to say that you've digitally catalogued and indexed every reference to him. Do you analyze drafts professionally or do you just need something better to do with your time?

Anyways, I'm not going to go any further on this with you based on the fact that this is a potential sleeper thread and you've turned it into a Thon Maker discussion when I just mentioned him as a reference. Plus, I've viewed your posts about him and none of them prove anything besides the fact that you'll believe anything that you find on the internet.
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Re: Potential sleepers 

Post#503 » by Ruzious » Tue Dec 13, 2016 9:35 pm

Guys, no more posts here on Thon Maker. He has nothing to do with this thread.

Btw, this was a great thread before it was hijacked. Carry on sans Thon. Thanks.
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Re: Potential sleepers 

Post#504 » by BoyzNTheHood » Fri Dec 16, 2016 5:09 am

What's the deal with Danjel Purifoy? He seemed pretty highly recruited. He looks really good, but why is he 21 already as a freshman?

He's averaging 16/5/3 on 45% from the field and 41% from 3 at Auburn.

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Re: Potential sleepers 

Post#505 » by No-Man » Sat Dec 17, 2016 6:36 pm

There are some guys where the big question mark is if they will declare, like Kennard, Anignobu, Robert Williams, PJ Dozier, Leaf, heck even Rabb at this point
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Re: Potential sleepers 

Post#506 » by No-Man » Sat Dec 17, 2016 6:38 pm

Biggest sleeper at this point in terms of buzz is easily DJ Hogg, I hve him mid 1st and nobody talks about him, at least Mikal Bridges gets stuff from draftnerds
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Re: Potential sleepers 

Post#507 » by Chuck Everett » Sat Dec 17, 2016 8:59 pm

I really like VJ Beachem out of Notre Dame. 6'8, long arms, plays defense. He hasn't shot the 3 as well this year, but the mechanics are there and it wouldn't surprise me if he was a late first/early 2nd, but could definitely make a roster with the new CBA. He is to me, what Hollis Thompson should be able to do, but somehow can't. I see him on an NBA roster next year.
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Re: Potential sleepers 

Post#508 » by doordoor123 » Sat Dec 17, 2016 11:29 pm

Chuck Everett wrote:I really like VJ Beachem out of Notre Dame. 6'8, long arms, plays defense. He hasn't shot the 3 as well this year, but the mechanics are there and it wouldn't surprise me if he was a late first/early 2nd, but could definitely make a roster with the new CBA. He is to me, what Hollis Thompson should be able to do, but somehow can't. I see him on an NBA roster next year.


Yeah, he definitely fits in somewhere. I think he can contribute in the NBA right now and he has room to grow his game. I don't think he actually will grow it though.
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Re: Potential sleepers 

Post#509 » by Dame Lizard » Sun Dec 18, 2016 7:57 am

What's the depth like in the 15-20 range of this draft?

My understanding is that it's a fairly loaded top 5/top 10, but not sure about the draft beyond that.
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Post#510 » by sipclip » Mon Dec 19, 2016 4:10 am

Dillon Brooks owns this thread. The fact that he is projected at the bottom of the 2nd rd in most mocks is crazy. I feel like his only real knock is his wingspan which is short for a player his size if accurate. When watching him play his wingspan doesn't look overly short to me though.
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Re: Potential sleepers 

Post#511 » by Osirus89 » Mon Dec 19, 2016 5:07 am

Dame Lizard wrote:What's the depth like in the 15-20 range of this draft?

My understanding is that it's a fairly loaded top 5/top 10, but not sure about the draft beyond that.


I'm not an authority in the draft or anything like that, but from all indications this draft will be pretty deep well into the 20s.
Unlike the 2015 draft where it fell off a cliff after the 14th pick, this draft will have guys into the 20s that you can feel pretty good/great about. I saw a mock draft where VJ Beachem was taken with the 32nd pick. If guys like that even at this point could go in the 2nd round, thats pretty surprising.
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Re: Potential sleepers 

Post#512 » by No-Man » Mon Dec 19, 2016 4:45 pm

This is a deep class, not sure about how deep in the 2nd round, a lot depends on who does or not declare but through the top40 I think there are players to be had that are quality NBA guys, the top is murkier, Fultz is a legit nº1 and I think Jackson could go top3 in any class, but other than that, a lot of question marks for several guys, Tatum needs to keep up the defense and continue to add range to warrant a pick that high for me, could happen, Ntilikina is more of a piece than a high usage guy at this point and it could be scary as a PG, he has good vision though, Giles we know the injuries, Anunoby is on the Ntilikina mold but as a F, Smith has been bad so far but getting his legs back and playing in a team with 0 spacing in the frontcourt could be part of it, Ball is great and all, fun as hell, but he is not a prototypical lead-guard either and after that it's more really high quality role players with not such a high upside like the Nova wings, Isaac, Miles Bridges etc...
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Re: Potential sleepers 

Post#513 » by stitches » Mon Dec 19, 2016 5:13 pm

BoyzNTheHood wrote:What's the deal with Danjel Purifoy? He seemed pretty highly recruited. He looks really good, but why is he 21 already as a freshman?

He's averaging 16/5/3 on 45% from the field and 41% from 3 at Auburn.

He red-shirted his first year, because of some issues with his academic performance. Spent the whole year in the gym working! And now he looks jacked like a legit NBA wing. Very strong body, good athleticism and length. From the limited footage I've seen of him, I'd definitely draft him with the GSW pick for the Jazz. I have to watch more to know if he's worth even more. If he keeps this level of play he will jump up the boards by draft night.
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Re: Potential sleepers 

Post#514 » by Ruzious » Mon Dec 19, 2016 8:34 pm

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ChicagoMICda59 wrote:Who's watched Josh Hart a fair amount? I like the guy, doesnt seem like a superstar but a really solid 2 perhaps. Anyone have some further insight? I don't see him on any draft boards, maybe I'm missing something.


Scouts seem to love him, but I don't see it. Average defender (capitalizes on mistakes and gets a lot of 50/50 balls), below average vert, below average size, and average speed. He's also not that skilled. He just knows how to play basketball. I see him as a roleplayer in the NBA.

I would have said pretty much the exact opposite. At least the scouts on the internet have tremendously underrated him. This is a guy who's good at pretty much everything, has done pretty much everything, and he's still rated in the 40's in most mocks. He's a senior, but he's a 21 year old senior - so he's not an older player, and he should continue to improve. Continues to be the #1 player on the #1 team in the country. He's a legit 6'5 210 lber who runs and jumps well and can even fill in at the point in an emergency. Has 3 point range, can penetrate, is explosive enough and jumps well enough to finish, plays defense, helps on the boards, can set up teammates, and he's used to excelling in crunch time of big games. If he really lasts till the second round, someone's getting a steal.
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Re: Potential sleepers 

Post#515 » by No-Man » Mon Dec 19, 2016 8:48 pm

Hart is a legit lotto talent like Valentine and Bembry were last year, in my first iteration like 2 months ago I had him at 18-20th and that was too low, actually the trifecta of Mikal Bridges, Josh Hart and Donovan Mitchell remind me in a way of Denzel Valentine, Pat McCaw and Bembry, since I had them all rank similarly last year, 10-12th, same with these guys now.
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Re: Potential sleepers 

Post#516 » by GimmeDat » Tue Dec 20, 2016 12:36 am

Hart just seems really solid to me. Has to go somewhere in the 20's for me.
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Post#517 » by sipclip » Tue Dec 20, 2016 12:46 am

GimmeDat wrote:Hart just seems really solid to me. Has to go somewhere in the 20's for me.

I felt the same way about Brogdan last year and somehow he slipped to the 2nd Rd. He is a player that I would love to see the jazz take at 30 if he is still around.

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Re: Potential sleepers 

Post#518 » by rapz101 » Tue Dec 20, 2016 7:59 am

Danjel Purifoy

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Post#519 » by doordoor123 » Thu Dec 22, 2016 4:19 am

I don't know why he's on no one's radar, but Kyle Guy from Virginia. He's super quick, athletic, a hawk on defense, good 3pt shooter and he's a good passer. Needs to gain weight, refine his handle and take contact, by overall a very good prospect. He's a better prospect than LaVine was at the same age.
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Re: Potential sleepers 

Post#520 » by SlowPaced » Thu Dec 22, 2016 11:55 am

I don't know how someone can say Josh Hart is overrated by scouts when just about every draft site has him going in mid 2nd round, which is a joke to me. The dude is a legit first round talent and I've pointed to this before here.

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