Knicks not ruling out DRose extension later in the season

[N8isScofield]

Realistically I just don't see how we don't extend Rose if he wants to be here, continues to play at this level and stays healthy. 70 games a year of this guy we're seeing right now is probably worth it compared to the other realistic options. Unless Curry wants to stop playing on easy mode then Rose is the best we're going to do this offseason and barring his performances falling off of a cliff or another knee injury he should remain a Knick.

[mrfrazier10]

I dunno. Between his injury history and his bottom of the barrel defense I can't see how Jackson justifies re-signing him. You can't expect him to get any better defensively and you can't put that burden on the other players and expect to win a title.The frontline is always gonna be threatened too much if Jennings and Rose can't keep track of their assignments better in transition and halfcourt. Right now the Knicks are above .500 but are 5-9 on the road and ranked 25th in the league defensively. Not putting all of that on Rose and Jennings but they are a weak spot and we need guards who are in the top 10 defensively not in the bottom 5.

And you also can not feature a lead (defensive) guard in today's NBA in which can't attack opposing defenses, split the defense, blow past his defender one on one, explode into the lane at ease & drive to the rim at will; as can Derrick Rose.

And I'm a strong believer that team defense is all about trust & communication. We're only 28 games into the season and not a single team has as much turnover as these Knicks of 2016-2017 consisting of a new head coach in Hornacek, core players such as Rose, Jennings, Lee, Holiday & Noah as well as 3 rookies in Baker, Kuzminskas & Hernangomez (in whom all weren't on the team just last season). Not to mention Ndour & Plumlee who are also on our roster as rookies.

Under those circumstances how could anyone expect a powerful defense without strong communication skills due to a lack of overall continuity?

Rose as an individual defender has actually battled well against opposing PG's.

Hmmm. Sounds like you're taking the outscore the opponent approach to success. I looked at Rose's best season when he was MVP and that was the only season when he had a net positive as a defender. And he was surrounded by great defenders as teammates too. Meantime as soon as LBJ was guarding Rose the series was essentially over. Cut off the head of the snake and all. Also by his own admission that player was then and this is now. Plus we all lose lateral movement as we get older. So I figure if he doesn't pull his own weight defensively anymore he will always make it harder for his teammates to stay out of foul trouble. Maybe they need to gel like you say but these Knicks don't have the defenders those Bulls did, not even close.

Do you see him as part of a title team? I mean if he is signed. Cause if you don't then what are we really talking about?

[Capn'O]

[3toheadmelo]

All I know is that d rose is balling now. So fun to watch

[Fury]

2 years 40 mil

[Knicksfan20]

How is Patty Mills a max player?

He's not full max, but someone is going to give him over 20 mil

Why the fk would anybody do that?

[Since89]

Rose is not taking a team option. 3 injury prone players are Rose, Noah, and Melo. Obviously Melo isn't as injury prone as the other two but he still is. Technically all three of them are past their prime even though Rose is only 27. At worst we'll either just miss the playoffs or be a bottom seed playoff team, and at best we win a round or two and get demolished by Cleveland. Sounds like a treadmill playoff team ala Atlanta Hawks and I'm not interested in being like that.

B.S. Melo is NOT injury prone, He injured his shoulder and had surgery. Hasn't been an issue since. Had a knee surgery, hasn't been an issue since. Guys get injured, have surgery but, that does not in any way equate to being injury prone. He hasn't missed nearly enough games for you to make a ridiculous statement like that.

Heard some strange and some dumb Melo **** but, this is a brand new on in my experience.

Dude I'm not in the mood to bother arguing. You yourself have noted two surgeries, one of which caused him to miss almost an entire season. Point is we'd have three players all with major injury histories signed long term to big money. It doesn't take a genius to figure out the problem with that.

LOL every player not named LeBron James gets injured champ

Durant
Westbrook
Curry
Davis

All had significant injuries already

[whocares1]

B.S. Melo is NOT injury prone, He injured his shoulder and had surgery. Hasn't been an issue since. Had a knee surgery, hasn't been an issue since. Guys get injured, have surgery but, that does not in any way equate to being injury prone. He hasn't missed nearly enough games for you to make a ridiculous statement like that.

Heard some strange and some dumb Melo **** but, this is a brand new on in my experience.

Dude I'm not in the mood to bother arguing. You yourself have noted two surgeries, one of which caused him to miss almost an entire season. Point is we'd have three players all with major injury histories signed long term to big money. It doesn't take a genius to figure out the problem with that.

LOL every player not named LeBron James gets injured champ

Durant
Westbrook
Curry
Davis

All had significant injuries already

Durant- One major injury is only 27 years old, and has now shown he is past that playing as a top 2 player in the league.

Westbrook- One major injury created by an opposing player. Dude is a freak of nature he really can't be compared to 99% of the human population.

Curry- Ankle issues in the early part of his career..no longer an issue.

Anthony Davis- He is the definition of injury prone.

Melo has had issues with his elbow, shoulder, and knee(all surgeries) and is 32. Nothing wrong with saying he's injury prone. I'm not insulting him he just has been.

[DOT]

How is Patty Mills a max player?

He's not full max, but someone is going to give him over 20 mil

Why the fk would anybody do that?

If Ian Mahinmi, Allen Crabbe, Evan Turner, Timofey Mozgov, and Luol Deng can all get 16-17 mil last offseason, he's gonna get offered that much from somebody (I believe the 6ers offered Manu 15 mil or something)

[DOT]

Durant- One major injury is only 27 years old, and has now shown he is past that playing as a top 2 player in the league.

Westbrook- One major injury created by an opposing player. Dude is a freak of nature he really can't be compared to 99% of the human population.

Curry- Ankle issues in the early part of his career..no longer an issue.

Anthony Davis- He is the definition of injury prone.

Melo has had issues with his elbow, shoulder, and knee(all surgeries) and is 32. Nothing wrong with saying he's injury prone. I'm not insulting him he just has been.

Westbrook may have had only one major injury, but he's already had three surgeries on that knee, so same amount of surgeries as Melo. And is 5 years younger. I'd say he's more injury prone than Melo, especially considering his style of play. Also, with Melo's injuries, the last major one was two years ago, and he's played a full season since then, and we're already over a third of the way through this one

[Knicksfan1992]

Durant- One major injury is only 27 years old, and has now shown he is past that playing as a top 2 player in the league.

Westbrook- One major injury created by an opposing player. Dude is a freak of nature he really can't be compared to 99% of the human population.

Curry- Ankle issues in the early part of his career..no longer an issue.

Anthony Davis- He is the definition of injury prone.

Melo has had issues with his elbow, shoulder, and knee(all surgeries) and is 32. Nothing wrong with saying he's injury prone. I'm not insulting him he just has been.

Westbrook may have had only one major injury, but he's already had three surgeries on that knee, so same amount of surgeries as Melo. And is 5 years younger. I'd say he's more injury prone than Melo, especially considering his style of play. Also, with Melo's injuries, the last major one was two years ago, and he's played a full season since then, and we're already over a third of the way through this one

Honestly, and I hate to say this because I don't want nor root for any player to get hurt but, Russ is going to get hurt playing the way he's playing. He's too reckless with his body and he's moving at such a rate of force that eventually a knee or achilles just isn't going to be able to bear the stress anymore and it's going to give.

[blueNorange]

How is Patty Mills a max player?

He's not full max, but someone is going to give him over 20 mil

Why the fk would anybody do that?

players today are dumb and cant run a system, heck some can't even run a pick and pop, mils can so teams will value him a lot.

[HEZI]

http://www.espn.com/blog/new-york/knicks/post/_/id/65835/derrick-rose-were-going-to-bring-some-knicks-fans-back

It’s safe to say the New York Knicks have lost some fans over the years. That's what happens when you win one playoff series in 14 years.

But one prominent member of the 2016-17 Knicks believes those fans will soon return.

“We’re going to get to the point where we’re going to bring some Knick fans back to us,” Derrick Rose said Wednesday. “Like the fans who gave up on the team probably a while ago, just off the strength of the direction the team was going. We’re going to bring them back.”

Winning games is the one way to win over Knicks fans. New York (15-13) has done that early on this season, and Rose has been a driving force. He's averaging 16.7 points, 4.5 assists and 4 rebounds, strong numbers for a player who is entering free agency this summer.

Rose's comments also can be viewed as further evidence he envisions a long-term future in New York (something he's discussed before). Rose has made it clear he's comfortable living in New York, and he hinted Wednesday that he appreciates the reaction he has gotten from the fans. He pointed out that the Knicks’ fan base and the Bulls’ fan base view him through different lenses.

"[Bulls fans] saw me in my MVP form, so anything less than that, they’re not trying to see it, they’re not trying to hear about it,” Rose said. “It’s not even expectations. It’s just feeling appreciated for just going out here and playing hard."

[Jeff Van Gully]

Durant- One major injury is only 27 years old, and has now shown he is past that playing as a top 2 player in the league.

Westbrook- One major injury created by an opposing player. Dude is a freak of nature he really can't be compared to 99% of the human population.

Curry- Ankle issues in the early part of his career..no longer an issue.

Anthony Davis- He is the definition of injury prone.

Melo has had issues with his elbow, shoulder, and knee(all surgeries) and is 32. Nothing wrong with saying he's injury prone. I'm not insulting him he just has been.

Westbrook may have had only one major injury, but he's already had three surgeries on that knee, so same amount of surgeries as Melo. And is 5 years younger. I'd say he's more injury prone than Melo, especially considering his style of play. Also, with Melo's injuries, the last major one was two years ago, and he's played a full season since then, and we're already over a third of the way through this one

Honestly, and I hate to say this because I don't want nor root for any player to get hurt but, Russ is going to get hurt playing the way he's playing. He's too reckless with his body and he's moving at such a rate of force that eventually a knee or achilles just isn't going to be able to bear the stress anymore and it's going to give.

a little naive to suggest steph and KD are no longer injury concerns. ride them until the wheels fall off, but don't be shocked if they do. steph curry and his dorito ankles are playing on borrowed time. KD's skis with screws in them are also playing on borrowed time. these two are actually smart to play together and take some pressure off. warriors can take nights off, rest, reduce minutes, etc. because they are so good together.

not even going there with AD. we know the scope. has yet to play 70 games in a season.

westbrook doesn't alarm me. i don't disagree that his style of play is not conducive to long-term success. he won't always be this supernova, but he'll probably be good for a while. unless that knee gives out.

always risk involved when you sign guys.

[Jeff Van Gully]

http://www.espn.com/blog/new-york/knicks/post/_/id/65835/derrick-rose-were-going-to-bring-some-knicks-fans-back

It’s safe to say the New York Knicks have lost some fans over the years. That's what happens when you win one playoff series in 14 years.

But one prominent member of the 2016-17 Knicks believes those fans will soon return.

“We’re going to get to the point where we’re going to bring some Knick fans back to us,” Derrick Rose said Wednesday. “Like the fans who gave up on the team probably a while ago, just off the strength of the direction the team was going. We’re going to bring them back.”

Winning games is the one way to win over Knicks fans. New York (15-13) has done that early on this season, and Rose has been a driving force. He's averaging 16.7 points, 4.5 assists and 4 rebounds, strong numbers for a player who is entering free agency this summer.

Rose's comments also can be viewed as further evidence he envisions a long-term future in New York (something he's discussed before). Rose has made it clear he's comfortable living in New York, and he hinted Wednesday that he appreciates the reaction he has gotten from the fans. He pointed out that the Knicks’ fan base and the Bulls’ fan base view him through different lenses.

"[Bulls fans] saw me in my MVP form, so anything less than that, they’re not trying to see it, they’re not trying to hear about it,” Rose said. “It’s not even expectations. It’s just feeling appreciated for just going out here and playing hard."

rose tryna kick it. hahaha. i love that he loves us. i don't think it's about the money.

part of me would be wanting to extend him as soon as i felt the current group really turned a corner. like, if we look legit at all-star break... hard to not try and lock up a PG and save chips in the process.

[Knicksfan1992]

Westbrook may have had only one major injury, but he's already had three surgeries on that knee, so same amount of surgeries as Melo. And is 5 years younger. I'd say he's more injury prone than Melo, especially considering his style of play. Also, with Melo's injuries, the last major one was two years ago, and he's played a full season since then, and we're already over a third of the way through this one

Honestly, and I hate to say this because I don't want nor root for any player to get hurt but, Russ is going to get hurt playing the way he's playing. He's too reckless with his body and he's moving at such a rate of force that eventually a knee or achilles just isn't going to be able to bear the stress anymore and it's going to give.

a little naive to suggest steph and KD are no longer injury concerns. ride them until the wheels fall off, but don't be shocked if they do. steph curry and his dorito ankles are playing on borrowed time. KD's skis with screws in them are also playing on borrowed time. these two are actually smart to play together and take some pressure off. warriors can take nights off, rest, reduce minutes, etc. because they are so good together.

not even going there with AD. we know the scope. has yet to play 70 games in a season.

westbrook doesn't alarm me. i don't disagree that his style of play is not conducive to long-term success. he won't always be this supernova, but he'll probably be good for a while. unless that knee gives out.

always risk involved when you sign guys.

Oh I wasn't even commenting on those guys. Yeah I do think they're injury prone too. I just think in general the modern game and athletes play at such a high pace and high force that anyone can really be an injury risk.

I'm not convinced Westbrook will be good for the life of his next huge contract. I don't think he's a smart enough player to transition into his 30's well but, who knows? The greats usually find a way to figure it out.

[HEZI]

http://www.espn.com/blog/new-york/knicks/post/_/id/65835/derrick-rose-were-going-to-bring-some-knicks-fans-back

It’s safe to say the New York Knicks have lost some fans over the years. That's what happens when you win one playoff series in 14 years.

But one prominent member of the 2016-17 Knicks believes those fans will soon return.

“We’re going to get to the point where we’re going to bring some Knick fans back to us,” Derrick Rose said Wednesday. “Like the fans who gave up on the team probably a while ago, just off the strength of the direction the team was going. We’re going to bring them back.”

Winning games is the one way to win over Knicks fans. New York (15-13) has done that early on this season, and Rose has been a driving force. He's averaging 16.7 points, 4.5 assists and 4 rebounds, strong numbers for a player who is entering free agency this summer.

Rose's comments also can be viewed as further evidence he envisions a long-term future in New York (something he's discussed before). Rose has made it clear he's comfortable living in New York, and he hinted Wednesday that he appreciates the reaction he has gotten from the fans. He pointed out that the Knicks’ fan base and the Bulls’ fan base view him through different lenses.

"[Bulls fans] saw me in my MVP form, so anything less than that, they’re not trying to see it, they’re not trying to hear about it,” Rose said. “It’s not even expectations. It’s just feeling appreciated for just going out here and playing hard."

rose tryna kick it. hahaha. i love that he loves us. i don't think it's about the money.

part of me would be wanting to extend him as soon as i felt the current group really turned a corner. like, if we look legit at all-star break... hard to not try and lock up a PG and save chips in the process.

The way I see it is, this core group has about a 3 year window of opportunity. I'd be ok with giving Rose a 3 year extension and seeing what this group can do in that time period. After those 3 years, Porzingis will just be entering into his prime at the age of 24-25 so once all the contracts of Noah, Lee, Rose, Melo (probably will look to resign him on a 1 year deal or maybe a 1+1 with a player option IF he decides to pick up his player option after next season)

So that way in 2020 we will have all the big contracts off the books and we can hit the reset button and start over. Keep our draft picks, so we will have KP + Willy + 4 first round draft pick players (2017,2018,2019,2020) going into free agency of 2020 with young players and a ton of cap space.

[Jeff Van Gully]

Honestly, and I hate to say this because I don't want nor root for any player to get hurt but, Russ is going to get hurt playing the way he's playing. He's too reckless with his body and he's moving at such a rate of force that eventually a knee or achilles just isn't going to be able to bear the stress anymore and it's going to give.

a little naive to suggest steph and KD are no longer injury concerns. ride them until the wheels fall off, but don't be shocked if they do. steph curry and his dorito ankles are playing on borrowed time. KD's skis with screws in them are also playing on borrowed time. these two are actually smart to play together and take some pressure off. warriors can take nights off, rest, reduce minutes, etc. because they are so good together.

not even going there with AD. we know the scope. has yet to play 70 games in a season.

westbrook doesn't alarm me. i don't disagree that his style of play is not conducive to long-term success. he won't always be this supernova, but he'll probably be good for a while. unless that knee gives out.

always risk involved when you sign guys.

Oh I wasn't even commenting on those guys. Yeah I do think they're injury prone too. I just think in general the modern game and athletes play at such a high pace and high force that anyone can really be an injury risk.

I'm not convinced Westbrook will be good for the life of his next huge contract. I don't think he's a smart enough player to transition into his 30's well but, who knows? The greats usually find a way to figure it out.

that part of it wasn't directed at your thoughts. i was just piggybacking.

[Jeff Van Gully]

http://www.espn.com/blog/new-york/knicks/post/_/id/65835/derrick-rose-were-going-to-bring-some-knicks-fans-back

rose tryna kick it. hahaha. i love that he loves us. i don't think it's about the money.

part of me would be wanting to extend him as soon as i felt the current group really turned a corner. like, if we look legit at all-star break... hard to not try and lock up a PG and save chips in the process.

The way I see it is, this core group has about a 3 year window of opportunity. I'd be ok with giving Rose a 3 year extension and seeing what this group can do in that time period. After those 3 years, Porzingis will just be entering into his prime at the age of 24-25 so once all the contracts of Noah, Lee, Rose, Melo (probably will look to resign him on a 1 year deal or maybe a 1+1 with a player option IF he decides to pick up his player option after next season)

So that way in 2020 we will have all the big contracts off the books and we can hit the reset button and start over. Keep our draft picks, so we will have KP + Willy + 4 first round draft pick players (2017,2018,2019,2020) going into free agency of 2020 with young players and a ton of cap space.

i think that's how a long-term manager would be thinking as well.

[Knicksfan1992]

http://www.espn.com/blog/new-york/knicks/post/_/id/65835/derrick-rose-were-going-to-bring-some-knicks-fans-back

rose tryna kick it. hahaha. i love that he loves us. i don't think it's about the money.

part of me would be wanting to extend him as soon as i felt the current group really turned a corner. like, if we look legit at all-star break... hard to not try and lock up a PG and save chips in the process.

The way I see it is, this core group has about a 3 year window of opportunity. I'd be ok with giving Rose a 3 year extension and seeing what this group can do in that time period. After those 3 years, Porzingis will just be entering into his prime at the age of 24-25 so once all the contracts of Noah, Lee, Rose, Melo (probably will look to resign him on a 1 year deal or maybe a 1+1 with a player option IF he decides to pick up his player option after next season)

So that way in 2020 we will have all the big contracts off the books and we can hit the reset button and start over. Keep our draft picks, so we will have KP + Willy + 4 first round draft pick players (2017,2018,2019,2020) going into free agency of 2020 with young players and a ton of cap space.