General 76ers Thread

[PerkinsFor3]

Yup. But this one is not Manute's. Different name on the back. This guy took Manute's number, when he was traded!

[AdotSmoove]

It's funny how everyone is talking about Nerlens attitude and work ethic now because in the past three years I never remember watching him take any plays off. He is limited on offense but he plays hard. Jah on the other end has had questionable effort on many occasions during the past year. Just seems contrived.


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[Ericb5]

It's funny how everyone is talking about Nerlens attitude and work ethic now because in the past three years I never remember watching him take any plays off. He is limited on offense but he plays hard. Jah on the other end has had questionable effort on many occasions during the past year. Just seems contrived.


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There have never been questions about either one of their work ethics. They both work on their games and do everything that the coaches tell them to do off the court for the most part.

In terms of "on the court" effort, Noel has always been very good, and Okafor has been more inconsistent. Attitude wise though Okafor has been WAY better than Noel. Noel isn't a team first guy. He is a me first guy.

I find it funny though that Noel suddenly has decided that he is a center when in the first few years we always heard how Brett Brown considered him a center, and that Noel considered himself to be a Kevin Garnett type of player. They gave him a lot of chances to prove that he could be a Garnett type, and he has now proven that he isn't that, and now he considers himself a center. Garnett wasn't a center, and Noel didn't think that HE was either until reality smacked him in the face.

[JojoSlimbiid]

Wonder if there is a chance to sneak Tim Fraiser out of N.O. I really like what he can possibly contribute to this team.

[eagereyez]

[AdotSmoove]

It's funny how everyone is talking about Nerlens attitude and work ethic now because in the past three years I never remember watching him take any plays off. He is limited on offense but he plays hard. Jah on the other end has had questionable effort on many occasions during the past year. Just seems contrived.


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There have never been questions about either one of their work ethics. They both work on their games and do everything that the coaches tell them to do off the court for the most part.

In terms of "on the court" effort, Noel has always been very good, and Okafor has been more inconsistent. Attitude wise though Okafor has been WAY better than Noel. Noel isn't a team first guy. He is a me first guy.

I find it funny though that Noel suddenly has decided that he is a center when in the first few years we always heard how Brett Brown considered him a center, and that Noel considered himself to be a Kevin Garnett type of player. They gave him a lot of chances to prove that he could be a Garnett type, and he has now proven that he isn't that, and now he considers himself a center. Garnett wasn't a center, and Noel didn't think that HE was either until reality smacked him in the face.

I seriously question Jah's off court work ethic. Defense is not that complicated, yet he gets lost constantly. He can't play D, whatever he's an offensive C so it is what it is. Why he hasn't developed a consistent 15 ft catch and shoot jumper is depressing, or maybe he has and he just doesn't shoot it. Instead we get the size up, then the crossover, then the spin move layup. Seriously, how is he not a pick and pop threat? I know that he had to do more this off season than lose some weight, but I'm still trying to find out what.

Garnett was a PF, but today he would not be. Noel has one of the ugliest jumpers I've ever seen so KG was never realistic for him but he did hit a nice jumper last game which is something he could not do entering the league.


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[phifans]

It's funny how everyone is talking about Nerlens attitude and work ethic now because in the past three years I never remember watching him take any plays off. He is limited on offense but he plays hard. Jah on the other end has had questionable effort on many occasions during the past year. Just seems contrived.


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There have never been questions about either one of their work ethics. They both work on their games and do everything that the coaches tell them to do off the court for the most part.

In terms of "on the court" effort, Noel has always been very good, and Okafor has been more inconsistent. Attitude wise though Okafor has been WAY better than Noel. Noel isn't a team first guy. He is a me first guy.

I find it funny though that Noel suddenly has decided that he is a center when in the first few years we always heard how Brett Brown considered him a center, and that Noel considered himself to be a Kevin Garnett type of player. They gave him a lot of chances to prove that he could be a Garnett type, and he has now proven that he isn't that, and now he considers himself a center. Garnett wasn't a center, and Noel didn't think that HE was either until reality smacked him in the face.

I seriously question Jah's off court work ethic. Defense is not that complicated, yet he gets lost constantly. He can't play D, whatever he's an offensive C so it is what it is. Why he hasn't developed a consistent 15 ft catch and shoot jumper is depressing, or maybe he has and he just doesn't shoot it. Instead we get the size up, then the crossover, then the spin move layup. Seriously, how is he not a pick and pop threat? I know that he had to do more this off season than lose some weight, but I'm still trying to find out what.

Garnett was a PF, but today he would not be. Noel has one of the ugliest jumpers I've ever seen so KG was never realistic for him but he did hit a nice jumper last game which is something he could not do entering the league.


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If either Noel or Okafor can hit jumper consistently we won't have this conversation anymore.

[AdotSmoove]

There have never been questions about either one of their work ethics. They both work on their games and do everything that the coaches tell them to do off the court for the most part.

In terms of "on the court" effort, Noel has always been very good, and Okafor has been more inconsistent. Attitude wise though Okafor has been WAY better than Noel. Noel isn't a team first guy. He is a me first guy.

I find it funny though that Noel suddenly has decided that he is a center when in the first few years we always heard how Brett Brown considered him a center, and that Noel considered himself to be a Kevin Garnett type of player. They gave him a lot of chances to prove that he could be a Garnett type, and he has now proven that he isn't that, and now he considers himself a center. Garnett wasn't a center, and Noel didn't think that HE was either until reality smacked him in the face.

I seriously question Jah's off court work ethic. Defense is not that complicated, yet he gets lost constantly. He can't play D, whatever he's an offensive C so it is what it is. Why he hasn't developed a consistent 15 ft catch and shoot jumper is depressing, or maybe he has and he just doesn't shoot it. Instead we get the size up, then the crossover, then the spin move layup. Seriously, how is he not a pick and pop threat? I know that he had to do more this off season than lose some weight, but I'm still trying to find out what.

Garnett was a PF, but today he would not be. Noel has one of the ugliest jumpers I've ever seen so KG was never realistic for him but he did hit a nice jumper last game which is something he could not do entering the league.


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If either Noel or Okafor can hit jumper consistently we won't have this conversation anymore.

We're gonna been chatting until they retire.


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[Ericb5]

It's funny how everyone is talking about Nerlens attitude and work ethic now because in the past three years I never remember watching him take any plays off. He is limited on offense but he plays hard. Jah on the other end has had questionable effort on many occasions during the past year. Just seems contrived.


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There have never been questions about either one of their work ethics. They both work on their games and do everything that the coaches tell them to do off the court for the most part.

In terms of "on the court" effort, Noel has always been very good, and Okafor has been more inconsistent. Attitude wise though Okafor has been WAY better than Noel. Noel isn't a team first guy. He is a me first guy.

I find it funny though that Noel suddenly has decided that he is a center when in the first few years we always heard how Brett Brown considered him a center, and that Noel considered himself to be a Kevin Garnett type of player. They gave him a lot of chances to prove that he could be a Garnett type, and he has now proven that he isn't that, and now he considers himself a center. Garnett wasn't a center, and Noel didn't think that HE was either until reality smacked him in the face.

I seriously question Jah's off court work ethic. Defense is not that complicated, yet he gets lost constantly. He can't play D, whatever he's an offensive C so it is what it is. Why he hasn't developed a consistent 15 ft catch and shoot jumper is depressing, or maybe he has and he just doesn't shoot it. Instead we get the size up, then the crossover, then the spin move layup. Seriously, how is he not a pick and pop threat? I know that he had to do more this off season than lose some weight, but I'm still trying to find out what.

Garnett was a PF, but today he would not be. Noel has one of the ugliest jumpers I've ever seen so KG was never realistic for him but he did hit a nice jumper last game which is something he could not do entering the league.


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I know that Garnett was never realistic for Noel, but HE thought it was. Brown has said repeatedly that Noel thought of himself like Garnett.

Okafor showed great improvement over the course of his rookie season, and then he got hurt. Now he is showing improvement again in his second year on defense.

Not sure why he isn't shooting the jumpers as much this year though.


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[76ciology]

How important are the center position and defense nowadays relative to the guard or wing position and offense?

I just find the game to be heavily favoring on perimeter positions/offense that the C and defense are more of a supplementary role.

Truth be told, teams don't need an Embiid, Noel or Jah. They can just put a Lucas Noguiera + perimeter scorers similar to the rockets. Start Zeller at C with very good wing defender and be a top 5 defensive team.

It's also the reason why were stucked with this puzzle that is impossible to solve. We're focused too much on the frontcourt but the battle really is with offense&perimeter. Raps didn't become relevant until they lead the league on ORtg but nobody really respects Jazz defense.

I find Stauskas or Sergio scoring 36 pts is likely to have more impact than Embiid scoring 36, but we all know Sergio scoring 36 is likely an outlier event.

We talk about how horrible perimeter defense is but the truth is defense really is more of an illusion and intimidation. Defense won't be an issue if our guys are plus offensive players.

I like to compare it to cops and robbers where if the cops shows weakness, robbers will gain confidence that will make them harder to catch (defend) but if the cops shows strength/intimidation, the robbers will overthink and doubt themselves. It just seems like we have reached the point when eveyone knows that the robbers are stronger than the cops.

[freshie2]

Yes and no. Wing dominance is more important recently, but historically a dominant big has a nice correlation with team success. Without the support of any data/analyses , pairing a dominant wing (Simmons) and big (Embiid) increases your odds exponentially. The next moves for the sixers need to be 3&d type players or another 'star quality' wing. The upcoming draft is big, but the deals they make for Noel and/or Okafor may be more significant. If healing/rehab follows our desired trajectory, the Feb 1 Sixers lineup will be must see TV.

[76ciology]

Yes and no. Wing dominance is more important recently, but historically a dominant big has a nice correlation with team success. Without the support of any data/analyses , pairing a dominant wing (Simmons) and big (Embiid) increases your odds exponentially. The next moves for the sixers need to be 3&d type players or another 'star quality' wing. The upcoming draft is big, but the deals they make for Noel and/or Okafor may be more significant. If healing/rehab follows our desired trajectory, the Feb 1 Sixers lineup will be must see TV.

That's also where I made a mistake. I find that the game is just played differently nowadays (Game changes when rules change). Morey also made a similar mistake with that rational with D12 and then he eventually realized his mistake with his interest in Bosh and now with Ryan/Capella.

[HartfordWhalers]

100 pages, almost time for a new thread.