George Karl at it again...

[Johnny Hoops]

Karl spot on commentary -- not sure anyone has ever described Melo more clearly/accurately.

Ouch.

[Im Coming Home]

Karl spot on commentary -- not sure anyone has ever described Melo more clearly/accurately.

Ouch.

[whocares1]

Melo played defense for Woody and Fisher and has at least given the effort for Jeff though he needs to tighten up but the entire team is bad on the end right now.

So how do Woody, Homewrecker and Hornacek get him to buy in and play within the team concept and play hard but Karl and D'Antoni have the issue?

It's called coaching and motivating. Karl not MDA motivate their players it's simple my way or the highway.

You have to keep Melo locked in on the court and he'll do whatever is necessary but when you allow him and not just him but other players to freelance then there's that disconnect.

Karl never looked in the mirror, MDA never looked in the mirror. How much defense did any of your teams play? I'll wait.

As for the remarks about Melo and K-Marts dad, Melo's dad is actually dead, that's just low and unnecessary.

I mean look at D'Antoni's Rockets this year. Harden is playing defense too. I don't think you should blame the coach for Melo's unwillingness to play man to man defense at that point in his career. Melo is very passive aggressive. He won't call out his teammates, and he won't try to stop the bleeding. When things are going wrong Melo tends to fade into the background and his effort goes way down.

He gets frustrated and that's human. Lebron is also very passive aggressive sometimes, but he also has more of a tendency to lead. Melo really changed with Fisher over Woodson. Melo wanted to be held accountable with Fisher and everything was great he was one of the best man defenders in the league...until he got hurt and the team started losing again. If Melo had committed to defense early in his career he would've been perceived closer to his buddies.

[el13adnino]

george karl is a poster here

[Johnny Hoops]

What a b*tch

Melo?

[thebuzzardman]

George Karl. When you root AGAINST a cancer survivor.

[Rotten Apple]

Melo played defense for Woody and Fisher and has at least given the effort for Jeff though he needs to tighten up but the entire team is bad on the end right now.

So how do Woody, Homewrecker and Hornacek get him to buy in and play within the team concept and play hard but Karl and D'Antoni have the issue?

It's called coaching and motivating. Karl not MDA motivate their players it's simple my way or the highway.

You have to keep Melo locked in on the court and he'll do whatever is necessary but when you allow him and not just him but other players to freelance then there's that disconnect.

Karl never looked in the mirror, MDA never looked in the mirror. How much defense did any of your teams play? I'll wait.

As for the remarks about Melo and K-Marts dad, Melo's dad is actually dead, that's just low and unnecessary.

I mean look at D'Antoni's Rockets this year. Harden is playing defense too. I don't think you should blame the coach for Melo's unwillingness to play man to man defense at that point in his career. Melo is very passive aggressive. He won't call out his teammates, and he won't try to stop the bleeding. When things are going wrong Melo tends to fade into the background and his effort goes way down.

He gets frustrated and that's human. Lebron is also very passive aggressive sometimes, but he also has more of a tendency to lead. Melo really changed with Fisher over Woodson. Melo wanted to be held accountable with Fisher and everything was great he was one of the best man defenders in the league...until he got hurt and the team started losing again. If Melo had committed to defense early in his career he would've been perceived closer to his buddies.

I can blame the coaches if it's blatantly obvious. You say look at Houston but Harden isn't really doing anything differently on the defensive end he's just cut out those blatant lazy plays but other than that he's putting out up great stats and Houston is having some success so it's swept under the rug.

The biggest issue with how people perceive Melo is because of how they want him be vs what he is. Accepting him for who he is and understanding how to get the most out of him is a coaches job that's why they're the coach.

If Woody, Fisher and Hornacek can do it then why couldn't D'Antoni or Karl. Maybe it was part Melo being young but to put it all on Melo is ridiculous. Karl and MDA have a way of alienating their players in the public eye and Karl just putting a bigger target on Melo right now is ridiculous.

[Sark]

Totally classless by Karl to make the father comments. What an awful human being he is.

Though he is right about the defense part. It's still a problem to this day.

[Tron Carter]

This deadspin headline though

http://deadspin.com/george-karl-i-struggled-because-my-players-didnt-have-1790401658?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_twitter&utm_source=deadspin_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow

[Pjax4Prez]

He's not wrong in what he's saying but I do feel like George has been constantly attacking Melo forever at this point.

What I don't like is when someone uses a rare opportunity (like coaching in the NBA) decides to break some of the unwritten rules to sell a book. When other coaches usually did this they atleast try to sugar coat opinions on players or only speak of their own intentions and not the players. Karl decided to use information he had and put players he didn't like on blast.

Disappointed in him yet again, but he's not wrong. Melo is a great player that could have been far better if he adopted different tendencies. No reason he should get killed for it now at this point in his career because he will obviously be on the decline. Not every player lives up to the expected potential. I guess you can throw Melo into that category, just don't think George ever got over that

[Riot Randolph]

Karl is right about Carmelo's approach to the game. And I don't doubt for one minute that he was a self centered diva. He has improved on that as he's gotten older but you can still see it in his game at times. There's habits there that will never go away.

I also agree with Karl about kids not having a dad in their lives. I think it's a social epidemic. You can see it in the personalities of young men an women today. I think it's a major part of why we have seen a decline as each generation comes and goes. I could go on forever about it but that's not really the point in this post.

I think it's pretty low of Karl to single those two out on their personal situations growing up. Comes off as someone looking to unload the clip. Overkill. Excessive. Personal. It's a national problem. And while I know Carmelo has personality flaws, not having a pops is one of the last things that comes to mind. In fact, personality flaws and all, I would say Carmelo is a excellent example to all fatherless inner city kids, that you can make it. And use your success to branch out and secure your families future. Carmelo is a wealthy married man and a father. He ended that cycle and is setting a new example for his children. He deserves credit. A lot of it.

And to rip Carmelo and other players for not having a father, but then criticize smith for having a father, and almost saying Karl himself should have stepped up to do a better job of raising smith than smiths own father is straight up hypocrisy. Now Karl looks like a man weaving back and forth. Looks like he has no moral beliefs. He just wants to rip these guys.

Why? I feel like the only reason to do such a thing is he simply doesn't like them. Couple kids are trash for not having a father another is trash because of his father. By why be that vindictive?

Maybe it's because of a point Karl himself has touched on many times. Wanting the spotlight. I have no choice but to believe Karl resented their popularity because he wanted it himself. Continuing to harp on this is proof and further hypocrisy. You talking about them wanting the spotlight. Yet you can't seem to stop putting the spotlight on yourself to talk about them. To talk about him keeps you alive in people's minds. You were a good coach. But no Phil Jackson. No pat Riley. No pops. Seems like your claim to fame is who you coached and you going to hold onto it as long as possible.

You are guilty of the same thing that boils your blood about Carmelo. You want to be famous but you're a flawed person who doesn't deserve it because you go about it the wrong way. Only he's better than you. And that really gripes your ass.

Hopefully your book is financially successful so you can hire some pr people to help you hide it better.


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Yes but what has he done about addressing people growing up without a father..or the social epidemic. Has he used his platform to rail on social inequities or has he used it to further line his pockets...For that point i find his comments disingenuous and meanspirited....

[Capn'O]

Jesus Christ talk about going in. I know Melo was never the best defensive player but coming at Melo's personal life of not having a dad was uncalled for. I did not have a dad and I grew up just fine. Anthony doesn't like to share spot light ? Really?? Amare, Lin, Rose, KP **** Karl. Eat a fat one. Hope this just motivates Anthony more.

My favorite is that he says all of that and then says:

Karl also wrote: “The volume of questions about Carmelo eventually wore me down. Sometimes I got so sick of talking about him that I’d just throw up my hands and say: ‘I don’t know what he is and I don’t care.’ ”

[NYKMentality85]

well i'm going to back out of this thread that'll explode for no reason. i was asked to post a link to support my claim and i did.

i won't be responding to future posts on this matter because the topic at hand is meant for trashing george karl and making fun of him.

First and foremost you're wrong about why Lin didn't return to N.Y and it had nothing to do with Melo but everything to do with Lin craving a mega contract.

After Lin played only 26 games (of Linsanity), he then sat out the remainder of the regular season. Even when he was medically cleared to play he still sat on the bench during the playoffs. He sat on the bench during the playoffs and watched our Knicks get dismantled. Jeremy Lin watched as the Knicks were destroyed with a "mega contract" on his mind. Jeremy Lin knew (deep inside) that LeBron James & Miami's defensive ability would expose Jeremy Lin & therefore prevent him from receiving a monster contract come the offseason. So in return Lin simply sat out during the playoffs with a big time contract on his mind.

Jeremy Lin not returning to N.Y had nothing to do with "Carmelo" and everything to do with Jeremy Lin (himself) using N.Y and his 26 games as leverage to land a big contract with the Houston Rockets. Houston gave Lin $25,000,000 and therefore Lin no longer had to sleep on a couch.

In closing there's a reason why Melo is still on the Knicks while Lin has gone on to play for not one, not two, not three but 4 different teams since leaving N.Y (Houston, Lakers, Charlotte & Brooklyn). The reason being is A.) Anthony is a true Franchise player & B.) Jeremy Lin is no franchise player (just ask Golden State, N.Y, Houston, the Lakers & Charlotte).

In regards to trashing George Karl & making fun of him? Well. He's been a head coach for something like 27 years without a single NBA championship. 27 years? 0 rings? You've trashed and made fun of the likes of Rose, O'Quinn, Jennings and Melo for much less.

Nothing is worse than a little hypocritical-hypocrite.

[Capn'O]

As for the Lin thing, im sure Amare wasnt talking about Melo.

Amare never even mentioned Melo, so i dont know how bNO is stating it as a fact. The journalist who wrote the article is speculating that it was Melo, and that speculation wasnt correct.

I always felt it was more Jr. Jr did say a comment about Lin's contract and he sounded very salty Lin received that type of contract.

even if that is true about jr. no player on the team is why lin wasn't re-signed.

there are only 2 possible reasons. 1 - dolan was angry about the deal he signed or 2 - they just didn't feel he was worth the money.
we don't know.

The poison pill was pretty prohibitive. IIRC, it would have blown up during either 2014 or 2015 which is when all our receipts were coming due. Huge lux tax hit.

The dumb thing was not offering him a contract in the first place. Mistakes were made...

[HerSports85]

If you're mad now, just prepare yourself for the Phil Jackson vs Melo story. Phil doesn't care about going in at all

[Rotten Apple]

This deadspin headline though

http://deadspin.com/george-karl-i-struggled-because-my-players-didnt-have-1790401658?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_twitter&utm_source=deadspin_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow

Gold **** Gold

[NYKMentality85]

you didn't contradict anything i said, you posted a quote of melo being coy and talking about how he doesn't hate KP so it's not true

and someone else used a former nba player as a source to counter me who also used a former nba player as a source.

All u did was post an article but didn't provide any quotes to support your claim. In the article you posted it said "But everyone wasn't a fan of him being the new star, so he didn't stay long". How is he talking about melo? He Oh yeah he isn't. Here's what he said right after.

Stoudemire told Anthony that he wasn’t taking any veiled shots at him when discussing his time with the New York Knicks on Sunday.

“I've never mentioned his name once. We're close friends, family,” Stoudemire told Miami reporters. “Our kids were born a couple months apart.

Y'all melo haters be delusional and never accept facts. Just pure BS.

you didn't see him post his grand exit? he makes agenda driven statements then dips that's his m.o.

I've noticed one thing about bNo (and his posting pattern/history doesn't lie).

A.) He never contributes to pregame discussion heading into upcoming matchups. B.) He never creates postgame analysis. C.) You'll never see him talking about N.Y's up coming games and/or current standings/seedings. D.) You'll never see him posting with insight, topic of discussion, knowledge or overall effort & E.) He stays out of the 'Around the NBA thread' because he knows, that is one thread in which he's not allowed to troll.

All this dude does is post one line fillers consisting of more "Knicks hate". It would be hilarious to see him attempt to write out a sports story (he doesn't have that ability within). But at the end of the day I'm beginning to feel sorry for him. Poor fella never even seen Patrick Ewing play live throughout the 1990's.

[Capn'O]

If you're mad now, just prepare yourself for the Phil Jackson vs Melo story. Phil doesn't care about going in at all

I doubt it.

Phil at least tries to be intentional and constructive with his barbs. He went in fully on Kobe because it worked but as he was hanging 'em up heaped lots of praise on Kobe. Phil's former player go to bat for him now. Nobody moreso than Kobe Bryant. Who would stand up for George Karl and say "hey - this guy is great, you just need to listen to him" like virtually every player that ever played for Phil does?

He takes a different tack with Melo. Couched criticisms.

I don't get the sense Karl is doing anything but shooting venom from the hip. 100% snake. Nobody likes that mf'er.

[EchelonNYK]

Oh, Melo

[blueNorange]

All u did was post an article but didn't provide any quotes to support your claim. In the article you posted it said "But everyone wasn't a fan of him being the new star, so he didn't stay long". How is he talking about melo? He Oh yeah he isn't. Here's what he said right after.

Y'all melo haters be delusional and never accept facts. Just pure BS.

you didn't see him post his grand exit? he makes agenda driven statements then dips that's his m.o.

I've noticed one thing about bNo (and his posting pattern/history doesn't lie).

A.) He never contributes to pregame discussion heading into upcoming matchups. B.) He never creates postgame analysis. C.) You'll never see him talking about N.Y's up coming games and/or current standings/seedings. D.) You'll never see him posting with insight, topic of discussion, knowledge or overall effort & E.) He stays out of the 'Around the NBA thread' because he knows, that is one thread in which he's not allowed to troll.

All this dude does is post one line fillers consisting of more "Knicks hate". It would be hilarious to see him attempt to write out a sports story (he doesn't have that ability within). But at the end of the day I'm beginning to feel sorry for him. Poor fella never even seen Patrick Ewing play live throughout the 1990's.

im not all one liners.

two lines.