Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion 2: End This Knightmare!

Jarlaxle0204 · Post #21 » by **Jarlaxle0204** » Thu Dec 22, 2016 3:58 pm

I'll try a trade since I'm feeling creative this morning:

Timberwolves out: Wiggins, Rubio, Dunn
Timberwolves in: Bledsoe, Gay, Noel, Mia 1st 2018

Gay can replace most of what Wiggins does while Bledsoe and Noel would be an upgrade over what they currently have and fit in Thibs system.

76ers out: Noel
76ers in: Dunn

76ers get rid of their problem child and get the PG they were supposedly interested in during the draft last year.

Suns out: Bledsoe, Mia 1st 2018
Suns in: Wiggins

Suns cash in on their current best player and get younger and a potential star in Wiggins. Also clears the way for a PG in the draft next year.

Kings out: Gay
Kings in: Rubio

Kings get a good PG to pair with Cousins while getting rid of malcontent Gay.

RunDogGun · Post #22 » by **RunDogGun** » Thu Dec 22, 2016 4:12 pm

I like Warren too much to push him to the bench for good. I think he can be a solid middle star player like maybe Deng. I don't want to see Warren pushed to the PF spot if we somehow landed Wiggins.

I like Dieng, and think a Chandler swap would be fitting for both teams. We get younger, and Thibs gets the defensive big, as well as a solid vet leader. I don't think Bledsoe makes sense in a Wolves trade.

I still like a Knight for Okafor trade though.

ImNotMcDiSwear · Post #23 » by **ImNotMcDiSwear** » Thu Dec 22, 2016 4:17 pm

With SAC inching upwards, maybe they make a move to keep DMC happy:

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=gmf3y2c

They send us their 2022 and 2024 firsts, unprotected. We send all of these guys but Koufos (and Afflalo, if there are no takers) to a third team in search of a lanky backup wing, to be identified.

Yeah, I want to blow it up. And there's only one player the trading of whom constitutes a blowup. That's Bled. As a bonus, we help ensure that DMC stays in Sacto, where he'll never win a ring.

alphagorilla · Post #24 » by **alphagorilla** » Thu Dec 22, 2016 4:46 pm

here are a few trade ideas.

Bledsoe, Len, Mia18 for Gallanari and Jokic

Bledsoe, Chandler, PJ for Lavine and Dieng

Warren, Chriss and knight for Butler

AllHype3 · Post #25 » by **AllHype3** » Thu Dec 22, 2016 5:43 pm

Another trade idea

Philly and Suns

Ilyasova (expiring) and Henderson (team option)

For Knight and Suns 2017 2nd.

Zelaznyrules · Post #26 » by **Zelaznyrules** » Thu Dec 22, 2016 5:43 pm

alphagorilla wrote:here are a few trade ideas.

Bledsoe, Len, Mia18 for Gallanari and Jokic

Bledsoe, Chandler, PJ for Lavine and Dieng

Warren, Chriss and knight for Butler

I'm not an expert at measuring value but the first one seems lopsided against us, the second seems reasonable in value but I don't see it improving us and I'm not sure Minnesota would be interested in parting ways with Lavine just yet. The last one seems way out of proportion, in our favor. I love Warren but we can only hope he rises to the Butler level, neither Chriss nor Knight carry anywhere near enough added value to bring that deal home IMO.

RunDogGun · Post #27 » by **RunDogGun** » Thu Dec 22, 2016 5:53 pm

AllHype3 wrote:Another trade idea

Philly and Suns

Ilyasova (expiring) and Henderson (team option)

For Knight and Suns 2017 2nd.

Any thought of Okafor for Knight and our second rounder 2017? Too little on our end, or just enough? What are your thoughts on Okafor.

RaisingArizona · Post #28 » by **RaisingArizona** » Thu Dec 22, 2016 6:03 pm

AllHype3 wrote:Another trade idea

Philly and Suns

Ilyasova (expiring) and Henderson (team option)

For Knight and Suns 2017 2nd.

Huh? We're not salary dumping Knight. He's annoying as hell to watch but he's got talent.

AllHype3 · Post #29 » by **AllHype3** » Thu Dec 22, 2016 6:04 pm

RunDogGun wrote:
AllHype3 wrote:Another trade idea

Philly and Suns

Ilyasova (expiring) and Henderson (team option)

For Knight and Suns 2017 2nd.

Any thought of Okafor for Knight and our second rounder 2017? Too little on our end, or just enough? What are your thoughts on Okafor.

Not enough. Imo. Include Miami18, Id do it.

RunDogGun · Post #30 » by **RunDogGun** » Thu Dec 22, 2016 6:15 pm

AllHype3 wrote:
RunDogGun wrote:
AllHype3 wrote:Another trade idea

Philly and Suns

Ilyasova (expiring) and Henderson (team option)

For Knight and Suns 2017 2nd.

Any thought of Okafor for Knight and our second rounder 2017? Too little on our end, or just enough? What are your thoughts on Okafor.

Not enough. Imo. Include Miami18, Id do it.

Not sure if that would be worth it for us, but thanks for your honesty.

thamadkant · Post #31 » by **thamadkant** » Thu Dec 22, 2016 6:20 pm

alphagorilla wrote:here are a few trade ideas.

Bledsoe, Len, Mia18 for Gallanari and Jokic

Bledsoe, Chandler, PJ for Lavine and Dieng

Warren, Chriss and knight for Butler

Zero chance Nuggets trade Jokic. Unless a superstar or a Towns or Porzingis comes to them.

I cannot even emphasize that enough...

Zelaznyrules · Post #32 » by **Zelaznyrules** » Thu Dec 22, 2016 6:25 pm

RunDogGun wrote:
AllHype3 wrote:
RunDogGun wrote:Any thought of Okafor for Knight and our second rounder 2017? Too little on our end, or just enough? What are your thoughts on Okafor.

Not enough. Imo. Include Miami18, Id do it.

Not sure if that would be worth it for us, but thanks for your honesty.

When we reach the point where we're confident we have enough talent on our roster to compete at a high level, we can consider trading away a potential high pick for a marginal starter. But right now, we need the possibility of a star far more than we need Okafor. So, I agree, not worth it for us. Unless they'd let us lottery protect the Miami pick and even then it's doubtful unless we already have a deal in place for Chandler or Len.

DirtyDez · Post #33 » by **DirtyDez** » Thu Dec 22, 2016 6:40 pm

alphagorilla wrote:here are a few trade ideas.

Bledsoe, Len, Mia18 for Gallanari and Jokic

Bledsoe, Chandler, PJ for Lavine and Dieng

Warren, Chriss and knight for Butler

Lavine has much more value then Bledsoe and the other parts don't change that. Jimmy Butler is a superstar and that's a horrendous return for him.

ImNotMcDiSwear · Post #34 » by **ImNotMcDiSwear** » Thu Dec 22, 2016 6:43 pm

I love TJ too much to even entertain trade scenarios involving him. Favorite player on the team.

Post #35 » by **bwgood77** » Thu Dec 22, 2016 6:52 pm

cosmofizzo wrote:With SAC inching upwards, maybe they make a move to keep DMC happy:

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=gmf3y2c

They send us their 2022 and 2024 firsts, unprotected. We send all of these guys but Koufos (and Afflalo, if there are no takers) to a third team in search of a lanky backup wing, to be identified.

Yeah, I want to blow it up. And there's only one player the trading of whom constitutes a blowup. That's Bled. As a bonus, we help ensure that DMC stays in Sacto, where he'll never win a ring.

I don't know if I want to trade our guys for picks who won't hit their prime if they are even good players at all until 2030-2032. 14-16 years is a long time to wait. I'm patient, but I'm not THAT patient.

Post #36 » by **Qwigglez** » Thu Dec 22, 2016 7:09 pm

I would only consider trading TJ in part of a package for a superstar such as Boogie.

Post #37 » by **Qwigglez** » Thu Dec 22, 2016 7:11 pm

DirtyDez wrote:
alphagorilla wrote:here are a few trade ideas.

Bledsoe, Len, Mia18 for Gallanari and Jokic

Bledsoe, Chandler, PJ for Lavine and Dieng

Warren, Chriss and knight for Butler

Lavine has much more value then Bledsoe and the other parts don't change that. Jimmy Butler is a superstar and that's a horrendous return for him.

But man... would love to have Lavine/Booker as our backcourt. :love:

And then give em a head coach that emphasizes offense and is willing to let them shoot Curry/Klay range.

TeamTragic · Post #38 » by **TeamTragic** » Thu Dec 22, 2016 9:30 pm

Qwigglez wrote:I would only consider trading TJ in part of a package for a superstar such as Boogie.

I don't think we should trade Warren. We should just offer multiple picks.

nevetsov · Post #39 » by **nevetsov** » Thu Dec 22, 2016 10:21 pm

I just don't see how more draft picks are going to work, when we can't even find playing time for 2/3 of last year's draft. One of which was #4 overall.

We draft a PG, it pushes Ulis down the order.
We draft a wing, him or Warren becomes a bench player.
We draft a big... Good luck with that.

Until we make some moves, all these picks seem wasted to me. And if we make trades, what's coming back? More picks? More players who will be given playing time?

We need to start consolidating this roster before assets depreciate further.

nevetsov · Post #40 » by **nevetsov** » Thu Dec 22, 2016 10:26 pm

Jarlaxle0204 wrote:I'll try a trade since I'm feeling creative this morning:

Timberwolves out: Wiggins, Rubio, Dunn
Timberwolves in: Bledsoe, Gay, Noel, Mia 1st 2018

76ers out: Noel
76ers in: Dunn

Suns out: Bledsoe, Mia 1st 2018
Suns in: Wiggins

Kings out: Gay
Kings in: Rubio

Really like this trade. To me it makes a lot of sense for all. If there was a way we could flip Knight for Rubio I would do that too, because he's a much better playmaker for our youth. SAC needs shooting at the PG spot to complement Cousins' inside game.